Finland, prohibition and the normalization of cannabis

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Finland, prohibition and the normalization of cannabis

This is not an article from the internet (thus, no links). This is an essay written by me (suggestions and criticism welcome). Since this is an international forum, I included some background for our international readers. And while everyone is free to chip in, I hope that the discussion will be about cannabis and Finland.


Background

Some of you may be wondering what's the big deal, and that this is old news. In some countries it is. But Finland is incredibly conservative when it comes to illegal drugs. A prominent Finnish politician Ville Itälä once said "that first needle of cannabis may be lethal". That may sound like a stupid politician being stupid but that quote pretty much sums up a lot of people's attitudes about all illegal drugs. If you use drugs, you will immediately be addicted and you will die in the gutter. Needless to say, there is a lot of stigma to using drugs (such as cannabis) and even discussing them.


The normalization

Right now cannabis is becoming more and more normalized in Finland. And by that I mean it is becoming more and more common. 40% of young males between the ages of 24 and 35 have at least tried cannabis. And that includes people from all walks of life. Not your average junkies, but people who are doing well (university students, working people etc). Also cannabis use is becoming more and more accepted among young people. I apologize I couldn't find any statistics, but my anecdotal evidence suggests that most young people don't see anything wrong with cannabis use. In other words, the use of cannabis is becoming (somewhat) normal and accepted. Whatever the magnitude of cannabis use is, the trend is clear.


The health risks of cannabis (TL;DR It's not that bad compared to alcohol)

This is a bit of a controversial topic, even on this forum. If you disagree with something I am saying here, please start a new thread if you wish to discuss it, as I do not want this one to be derailed. But long story short, the health risks of cannabis are relatively low compared to, say, alcohol. No-one has ever died of cannabis overdose, as it is simply not lethal. The addiction caused by cannabis is less severe than the addiction caused by caffeine, and much less severe than the addiction caused by hard drugs such as alcohol or nicotine (if you're wondering why I am comparing cannabis to alcohol, it is because all Finns are familiar with alcohol). Cannabis use does correlate with depression and schizophrenia, but newer studies suggest that cannabis alleviates their symptoms rather than causes them (it is a bit of a controversial subject however). People under the influence of cannabis are calm and peaceful, even lazy (same cannot be said for alcohol, unfortunately, as any Finn surely knows). Also I have heard that cannabis may cause some kind of harm to a developing brain, but unfortunately I do not know much about this so I can't say how valid this information is, but nevertheless seems obvious to me that underage people should not use cannabis. Also, in case someone does not know, cannabis is usually smoked (never injected).


Why is this happening and what should we do about it?

I cannot say for sure why cannabis use is becoming more and more common. I guess Finland is following the trends set by other countries. Maybe it is media's influence. Internet probably plays a part in this, as there is a lot of information on the internet and it isn't nearly as anti-drugs as Finnish prejudices.

To my fellow Finns: what should be done about this? What do you think? Is this a grave threat to our youth that needs to be stopped using any means necessary? Or would you consider decriminalizing or even legalizing cannabis? What do you think about cannabis overall? How much of this was new to you? If you have an opinion, I would like to hear it.
 
There's a CFC user whose original name was Dumb Pothead. He changed his CFC name, married another CFCer, and moved to Finland. We haven't heard from him since.
 
There's a CFC user whose original name was Dumb Pothead. He changed his CFC name, married another CFCer, and moved to Finland. We haven't heard from him since.

Dumb Pothead / Bozo Erectus moved to Finland?? :eek::eek:

Wasn't it AVN, a dutch CFCer, who married Mathilda, a Finnish CFCer, and moved to Finalnd?

Are you telling me that two CFCers married Finns and moved there? I wasn't aware there were this many Finns!
 
Is it ok for Europe to let Finland smoke? I mean, I've heard from several others that you guys are...special...

Then again, its not like they could stop you :lol:
 
Where does pot come from in Finland? That is, home grown or imported?
 
My mother did her residency at an clinic for people who suddenly become mentally ill. They had potheads comming in on a daily basis. Sure we have a problem with alcohol but that means that we should work on our alcohol issues, not use it as an excuse to pick up other bad habits.
 
Sometimes both sides are right. A typical American argument may sound like this:

Zonker; "Just because I smoke pot, that doesn't mean I'll end up a heroin addict."

B.D; "In every case you find a heroin addict, they originally started by smoking pot."

Mark; "Say B.D., those are nice pants."
 
Is it ok for Europe to let Finland smoke? I mean, I've heard from several others that you guys are...special...

Then again, its not like they could stop you :lol:

Please, do elaborate?

Where does pot come from in Finland? That is, home grown or imported?

They do sell some imported hash on the streets but I daresay most of Finnish weed is homegrown by smalltime farmers.

My mother did her residency at an clinic for people who suddenly become mentally ill. They had potheads comming in on a daily basis. Sure we have a problem with alcohol but that means that we should work on our alcohol issues, not use it as an excuse to pick up other bad habits.

I'm not saying pot is completely harmless, but people are already using it. I don't see how punishing them for it is going to help.

By the way, how is the situation in Sweden? Any similar?

EDIT: The point I was trying to make in the OP is that we've already lost. Normal people are already smoking weed, and they don't think of it as a bad thing. And frankly, if it means people will drink less alcohol, then is it really such a bad thing (of course, that's a big if there). And is the prohibition reasonable, if so many people have violated it?
 
Sometimes both sides are right. A typical American argument may sound like this:

Zonker; "Just because I smoke pot, that doesn't mean I'll end up a heroin addict."

B.D; "In every case you find a heroin addict, they originally started by smoking pot."

Mark; "Say B.D., those are nice pants."

If I like sushi, does that mean I'll eventually like puffer fish?

Please, do elaborate?

Oh, no harm intended. Just heard through the grapevine that most Europeans think the Finnish are a strange culture.

Of course, could be wrong, but just going off what I've heard.
 
Where does pot come from in Finland? That is, home grown or imported?
Finland as Hehehe claims might very well be a different case for the low population density and hence greater opportunities to locally grow cannabis, but I have heard the main source for European cannabis is Morocco.
If I like sushi, does that mean I'll eventually like puffer fish?
You don't even need to go there, that people who use Heroin also used Cannabis has already by itself no argumentative power. That people who use such a strong drug as Heroin didn't hesitate to use a much softer one surely isn't any surprise. I am sure you will also find that Heroin users got drunk. The actual question is if those Heroin users wouldn't have been Heroin users without Cannabis. By and large, I don't think this has ever been demonstrated, but it is hard to do so, I admit.

But alright, let's nevertheless assume so for a minute. So why would that be so? Cannabis is demonstrably more harmless than Alcohol, so how come it leads more to harder drugs than Alcohol? I think the main reason is clear: Because it is illegal in the first place. Because to consume htis product forces people to get into the black drug market in the first place, to isolate them from parts of society, to break the law etc.
So the Cannabis-Heroin-connection has not only nor argumentative power by itself, when its implications is assumed true nevertheless, it is an argument for legalization.
 
Oh, no harm intended. Just heard through the grapevine that most Europeans think the Finnish are a strange culture.

Of course, could be wrong, but just going off what I've heard.


I'm not offended in anyway, but seeing as I'm this far in the north, I don't always know what other Europeans think about us. And yes, I suppose Finnish culture is somewhat different.

Finland as Hehehe claims might very well be a different case for the low population density and hence greater opportunities to locally grow cannabis, but I have heard the main source for European cannabis is Morocco.

Finland is far removed from the biggest smuggling routes, and a lot of Finnish cannabis users don't like to support organized crime anyway. And while low population density helps outdoor growing, it is not that hard to grow indoors either. It has been estimated that some 50000 Finns have grown weed at some point in their lives (1% of population) and that there are 10000 active growers.
 
In general, I am favor of ending the prohibition against cannabis use, however there are problems. On a drug test, most drugs and alcohol will remain visible 12-24 hours after last usage. Cannabis, however, can remain detectable by drug tests for several days after previous usage. This is a problem because it means it is difficult to determine, based on a drug test, whether or not a person is high from cannabis after say an automobile accident.
 
Dumb Pothead / Bozo Erectus moved to Finland?? :eek::eek:

Wasn't it AVN, a dutch CFCer, who married Mathilda, a Finnish CFCer, and moved to Finalnd?

Are you telling me that two CFCers married Finns and moved there? I wasn't aware there were this many Finns!
They both married the same Finn. Which makes Finland even smaller than you imagined.
 
In general, I am favor of ending the prohibition against cannabis use, however there are problems. On a drug test, most drugs and alcohol will remain visible 12-24 hours after last usage. Cannabis, however, can remain detectable by drug tests for several days after previous usage. This is a problem because it means it is difficult to determine, based on a drug test, whether or not a person is high from cannabis after say an automobile accident.

Put on a Phish album. If they smile, cuff them.

Works for sober people too.
 
Wait who was AVN, again (it's probably really obvious and I'll be like oops)? I'm pretty sure it was Bozo Erectus though.

When people say weed isn't even a drug, they're surprisingly closer to the truth than people who say the opposite. Vicodin at low doses can get you more high. Methylphenidate at low doses can get you more high. You won't be as tripped but you will be mood altered like a motherph.
 
To my fellow Finns:

I'm not a Finn, but I'll answer anyway.

what should be done about this? What do you think? Is this a grave threat to our youth that needs to be stopped using any means necessary? Or would you consider decriminalizing or even legalizing cannabis?

Cannabis never should have been made illegal.

What do you think about cannabis overall?

doubleplusgood
 
To my fellow Finns: what should be done about this? What do you think? Is this a grave threat to our youth that needs to be stopped using any means necessary? Or would you consider decriminalizing or even legalizing cannabis? What do you think about cannabis overall? How much of this was new to you? If you have an opinion, I would like to hear it.
While not a Finn (according to some of your countrymen, everyone else is a wannabe-Finn but I disagree), I can still answer, right?

About cannabis… people should wonder why they need to consume drugs to have a good time. Is your life that empty?

btw how do they grow it in such cold weather?
 
When people say weed isn't even a drug, they're surprisingly closer to the truth than people who say the opposite. Vicodin at low doses can get you more high. Methylphenidate at low doses can get you more high. You won't be as tripped but you will be mood altered like a motherph.
Weed can mess you up pretty bad too. I've had some horrible experiences of paranoia and delusion.

But yeah obviously it should be legal.
 
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