[R&F] First Look: Robert the Bruce | Scotland

[Cerilis]

I especially like the amenities focus, allows trying out the new water park in my first game. I wonder if the Golf course also gets bonuses from that. Worth asking on twitter.

 

[Gabriel Sergio]

Omg, I called the Golf Course improvement! hahaha

At first i was like "what really?" but then the prediction comes true

 

[leandrombraz]

The Liberation bonus is good but it's a liberation bonus. Last time I checked the AI barely can conquer a city, so you rarely have opportunity to declare a liberation war, unless cities that you flip through loyalty also count for a liberation war, then you will have more opportunities to use his ability.

Everything else is cool.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

So with no warmonger penalty for war of liberation, just declare over and over for the production boost (movement boost is also nice). There's bound to be at least one city state in AI hands.

It's an ally's city, not a city-state. And it's not like you need to take it back. Just keep spamming the war. This seems abusable.

 

[criZp]

Looks like the quest to take out city states is as big as before so Scotland can fight early wars.

liberation war is different from protectorate war. I think if you lose a CS then you can declare a protectorate war only?

 

[UkrNixon]

so what is the language he is speaking?

 

[KayAU]

Wow, so they actually went with golf courses as someone suggested. That's probably fine actually, but I need some time to process this civ. I do like the appearance of Robert, he looks suitably intimidating, and the lion is awesome.

Not so sure about the use for a unique Ranger replacement, but yeah, I need to think about it. They won't need to be hard built, and Spec Ops exist now.

 

[shyPiano]

I mean those ARE the colors of the Scottish flag... Portugal has red and green.

Portugal's current flag is red and green. And using those colors looks a bit ugly IMO
If you look at Portuguese historical flags, you'll see that the flag was, for most of history, white. White and Blue were common colors, and they're also present in the Portuguese Shield since the very beginning.

As for Scotland, that much is true! But also look at the Royal Banner of Scotland - or don't, you can see the colors being used by Robert the Bruce himself!

Don't take it too seriously, I was being silly and hyperbolic, but I do think those colors look better on Portugal than on Scotland, that's all. I'll just mod them if it bothers me too much...

Portugal can still have a dark navy blue on white, like it did last game.

Dunno if there's a significant difference in the two shades of blue for them to be distinguishable enough, guess that's up for the devs to figure out. After all, I thought the same of Greece and Portugal back before they announced the latter for BNW.

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

Btw, Golf Courses are unlocked at Reformed Church.

 

[stealth_nsk]

Well, I'm generally ok with civ abilities being only partially unique. I mean for civilization, which has UI providing amenities, UA depending on happiness and unique Ranger replacement, it's ok to have leader ability being a mix of reused abilities.

 

[pgm123]

When I think Golf Courses, I think Donald Trump. Sigh. I wonder if Trump has Scottish heritage.

I'd rather they done something with Scotch Whisky.

Trump's mother was born on the Isle of Lewis, Scotland.

 

[Gabhar]

so what is the language he is speaking?

Scots or Scottish English. "you shall soon be nothing something something before you set a (foreign) foot in Scotland"

 

[The Kingmaker]

They took it in a completely different direction than I expected, decidedly less 'de facto Celtic civ' than I was expecting so there's a good chance of a Gaulish civ down the line now imo.

Yes! That would be great!

 

[marius_kaparius]

At 1:16 I noticed a cute detail that I'm sure was there before but I never spotted it while playing. A red balloon from the entertainment district is flying up into the sky. Nice touch.

 

[UkrNixon]

Scots or Scottish English. "you shall soon be nothing but something something before you set a foot in Scotland"

thank you
he sounds pretty intimidating, and it's awesome

 

[ShallowSeas]

Well, when I found out they were adding Scotland I said that they had better be well designed and I think they are. They are definitely going to be at least third on my list of favorite civs revealed so far. I really like that we finally have a civ that plays with the happiness bonuses.

I actually laughed out loud when I first heard that they have gold courses (I laughed the second time too), but they are an interesting improvement. I like the fact that all the unique improvements added in this expansion are quite powerful.

The highlander will probably be a lot of fun and the fact that it can upgrade to spec ops will make it viable.

The liberation war thing seems a bit situational and bland and maybe a bit too similar to John Curtain's ability.

Does anyone know if this CB works for liberating city state allies? If the answer is no then that sucks.If the answer is yes I guess they showed the player trying to liberate Hong Kong from Germany in the video so that points to a yes.

Even though I complained that this ability is situational, I should say that sometimes situational abilities are the best ones because they force you to change your playstyle and work hard to reap the full benefits of your bonuses.

I look forward to playing this civ, but who knows, maybe the last two unrevealed civs are even better.

 

[DeepKing]

liberation war is different from protectorate war. I think if you lose a CS then you can declare a protectorate war only?

You can only declare a protectorate war if your CS is under attack. If it's conquered then it's too late, though liberating it will give you envoy and diplomacy boosts.

 

[Villager720]

War of Reconquest should also be added to the LUA.
I'm honestly confused why they went with liberation over reconquest. Did I miss a page in Scottish history where they liberated allied cities?

 

[Brentonator]

If the Scots get a hills start bias, they'll be a tier 1 civ for sure. Greece's hills bias alone already bumps them up a tier for me.

 

[mudblood]

It's funny, for the first time I have strong feelings about the representation of a civ. (I've cared before, don't get me wrong, but didn't feel it as something personal.) Having strong feelings has made me suddenly aware of how hard it must be for Firaxis to get these things right. And this avoided a bunch of my pitfalls (I was totally expecting a faux-medieval, warmongery civ). Well done Firaxis!

Also, the way these things are going, I suspect there won't be an ancient gaulish civ--more likely bet would be some kind of Irish civ in a dlc/future expansion.