Foreign President?

[Gelion]

As for H-o-Govt, I've answered that already I hope.

Well now you got the difference betweent he two. I was talking about HoG and not interested at all in HoS.

Sounds interesting. Who are you talking about here? I don't think I've heard of this before.
You've got them!

I do mean a specific person, however there are such people in the world. In this thread I do not mean specifically. Purely a theoretical question. I think its a rather interesting question and I want to know your views not "why do you want to know that" although even that question is of course interesting to discuss.

And now I really wish people would enter some info into their user profile so that one knows with whom they are carrying on such a bizarre discussion.

I believe you read Stormbringers post. What exactly is bizzare about this discussion?

 

[Rambuchan]

I'm not really aware of Stormbringer's posts. Sorry about that. There are many posters in here.

I still don't see the point of this discussion (H-o-Gs do not and will not hold foreign passports in the near future and the theoretical discussion seems particularly pointless) and as such I'll stop threadjacking it.

Have a nice evening

 

[RoboPig]

Quick example (off the top of my head) If both countries have the draft which army do you go in?

neither, i'd just burn two draft cards
i voted yes, but only in cases of dual citizenship

 

[sysyphus]

Quick example (off the top of my head) If both countries have the draft which army do you go in?

Well, my answer pretty much matches RoboPig's. If there's a draft then you're stuck fulfilling the mandatory service of either country whenever you enter it. That's the law of those lands.

My wife is a dual citizen (British-Canadian), she loves both countries and their cultures. Okay, fair enough to say that the probability of a serious British-Canadian conflict is just about zero, but say for the sake of argument that it did.

I'm sure most people stuck between two loyalties would refernce their own views and try to direct their loyalties to the more "noble" cause, or if such a distinction is too blurry to make, try to mediate.

 

[Kayak]

people stuck between two loyalties would refernce their own views and try to direct their loyalties to the more "noble" cause, or if such a distinction is too blurry to make, try to mediate.

Thats what I meant. The State is a jealous master in these instances.

 

[sysyphus]

What I don't understand though, is that if you live in a western liberal democracy, how is the state your master?

 

[skadistic]

no an american president should be a natual born citizen. if from another nation they could have less then honerable intentions.

(this is by no means saying that natural born presidents or other people of polictial power will have honerable intentions as most if not all are scum bags)

 

[Kayak]

What I don't understand though, is that if you live in a western liberal democracy, how is the state your master?

A democracy does not mean that each citizen gets to do anything he or she wants. It means the I have elected my master and that I can change him at intervals (crude analogy I know). I can't just go and turn over secrets to a foreign power for instance, and I'm pretty sure that choosing one side over another in a war would get me in hot water with the other side.

 

[Kayak]

no an american president should be a natual born citizen. if from another nation they could have less then honerable intentions.

(this is by no means saying that natural born presidents or other people of polictial power will have honerable intentions as most if not all are scum bags)

Even if they came at a young age? That seems a little harsh.

 

[EdCase]

To answer on the purely knee jerk level..instant response is no.

On a moments quiet reflection..who cares politicians are only loyal to themselves anyway.

 

[sysyphus]

A democracy does not mean that each citizen gets to do anything he or she wants. It means the I have elected my master and that I can change him at intervals (crude analogy I know). I can't just go and turn over secrets to a foreign power for instance, and I'm pretty sure that choosing one side over another in a war would get me in hot water with the other side.

An elected leader is not your master. They are there to serve you, not the other way around.

 

[pboily]

No, because he swore alleagance to two countries, and there will be obvious conflicts of interest there.

Do many countries require oaths of allegiance other than the US and Russia. Canada doesn't (as far as I know, unless they didn't want me in to their little secret). If your countries do not require fealty oaths, that's probably not a good enough reason to ban foreign HoS.

 

[sysyphus]

Do many countries require oaths of allegiance other than the US and Russia. Canada doesn't (as far as I know, unless they didn't want me in to their little secret). If your countries do not require fealty oaths, that's probably not a good enough reason to ban foreign HoS.

You mean in swearing in naturalised citizens, or for native born as well?

If for the former, then yes, new Canadians are required to swear loyalty to the Queen (an odd situation for British immigrants).

 

[Colonel]

I think since this is basically against U.S. Constitutional law I will stick with that and say that a President more specifically the American President should be a citizen of the United States and only a citizen of that country.

 

[Kayak]

An elected leader is not your master. They are there to serve you, not the other way around.

It's mutual. I elect them to represent/lead us. They agree to lead in our interests and we agree to follow their leadership. (as I said, rough analogy).
This is what makes a cohesive nation, rather than a group of individuals. One of the tenents to belonging is not to betray the interests of the group you belong to, otherwise you forfeit the protection of that group.

 

[JohnRM]

I do not believe that a person from another country can nor would look out for the interests of Americans. Hell, we have a President, now, from this country, and he still doesn't. Let's not take it to the next level.

 

[Israelite9191]

I don't see why not. Many, if not most, of Israel's prime ministers (the president their dosen't really matter) have been foreign born, and they have been successful. Israle has gone from being a small strip of coast surrounded by enemies to being, well, a small strip of coast surrounded by enemies. But at least now they have the stablest economy and the only real democracy in the Middle East.

 

[Geake2000]

In France, the law states that you have to be french to be elected president, but it doesn't say anything about people having two or more nationalities, so I guess this wouldn't be a problem.

But anyway, I don't see why this should be taken into consideration. I vote for people whose ideas and proposals best suit my own opinions. I don't care about their origins.

 

[GeneralZed]

if the masses like this stranger, why not? we live in a multicultural democracy.