GhostWriter16
Deity
...How?
Well, he's gay, so he obviously supports gay marriage...
Yet he sticks with the GOP, who strongly oppose his lifestyle...
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Well, he's gay, so he obviously supports gay marriage...
Yet he sticks with the GOP, who strongly oppose his lifestyle...
warpus
Sommerswerd asked me to change this
Not all gay people support gay marriage.
I am straight, and am against straight marriage, for example.
GhostWriter16
Deity
For a libertarian your social score on the PC is painfuly low. Mine is -3.96. Dom, I'm more libertarian than you. (Economicaly I'm -6.62
Well, I'll remind you the L/A score is PAINFULLY inaccurate.
On the worlds smallest political quiz, I scored 90 in both categories
Also, personally, a lot of the questions have nothing to do with libertarianism. To me, the BEST indicator of a libertarian is you agree with Reagan on this point:
Government exists to protect people from each other, when government oversteps its bounds is to protect people from themselves" (I recognize Reagan was not perfect here, but you get my point.)
You are NOT a real libertarian, you oppose gun rights first of all, and you oppose innocents rights to defend their property. Supporting rights for the guilty is ANTI-LIBERTARIAN
Now, I won't call you an authoritarian or pretend that you are not libertarian in some areas, but I am DEFINITELY more of one than you.
EDIT: And then there's the questions about Astrology, Art, and Luck that have nothing to do with politics.
EDIT: And ANY scale that has Palin very close to Hitler in authoritarianism has issues. I DEFINITELY agree she is far from libertarian but she is no more authoritarian than our current president, and NOWHERE NEAR Hitler.
Political Compass fails in so many ways its not even funny...
EDIT: LOL! How can you oppose straight marriage? Especially as you are straight? Or are you one of those "Civil Union for all" types, which theoretically isn't too terrible an idea.
Miles Teg
Nuclear Powered Mentat
On social issues? She's definitely more authoritative than Obama. Economically, not that far apart from him, just a different emphasis.
Anyways, as much I hate to break up the gay voting bloc, it's a good thing when gay people and people who support gay marriage can feel comfortable enough in both parties to pick based on other issues. Hopefully, it's a first step to a world where treating gays with basic courtesy and respect is a requirement for being taken seriously in polite society.
Incidentally Dom, do you support gay marriage? I don't think I've ever gotten in a thread with you on that subject.
GhostWriter16
Deity
You are talking about Palin and Obama correct? Not Palin and Hitler???
As for your assertation, while with drugs, gays, exc, yes she is. However, Obama supports gun control and legislation to make people be safe from themselves (Such as seatbelt laws, though since its a state deal I'm more referring to the Democratic party than Obama. So, pretty even
I agree, though treating people with respect =/= giving them the right to do what they want to do (I do support letting them mostly, but "Hate the sin, love the sinner" is not disrespectful, though it may not be libertarian necessarily.)
Its where my religious and libertarian views meet and the battle line which they fight upon
However, my religious views have nothing to do with giving them tax benefits or letting them do what they want to do, my issue religiously is calling it MARRIAGE. Historically, marriage was between a man and a woman. Also, I think children should be raised in man/woman homes.
Ultimately, I think ANY federal decision, either way, is immoral, its not there place. At the state level I'd support it being called "Civil Union" though I suppose calling them all "Civil Union" legally would be OK too.
dwaxe
is not a fanatic
Another conservative mind with a liberal penis.
Miles Teg
Nuclear Powered Mentat
So basically, despite the tradition of marriage as a state institution, you still want to treat gays with a very carefully parsed patronization, and pointedly deny them equal status with other people despite both studies and anecdotes showing that kids in GLBT homes grow up just fine? Niiiice.
GhostWriter16
Deity
Well, on the issue of gay adoption, its my most non-libertarian stance. I'll accept it, but I still think children should grow up with a mother and a father.
As for gay marriage- read closely to what I said, however, 99% of the amount of care I have on the issue is wrapped up in my first paragraph. I don't care if the state calls it a marriage or not. God knows its really a Civil Union and so do I.
GhostWriter16
Deity
VERY FEW do this, heck, I've never even seen Palin do this. And I've never seen ANY Politician in the modern day support legal penalties for homosexuals except in Texas and even that was most likely just symbolic.
The majority of them, if not all of them, simply want to protect Traditional Marriage. Whether they are right or not (Personally I'm somewhere in between) it is far more complex than you are making it.
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Demand creates supply. There's a demand for "family values" politicians, and so many politicians take up the stance even if it they don't really believe in it.
Sounds pessimistic about the system, but, quite frankly, given the way these things are, it wouldn't surprise me if that was almost 100% the reality: put on an act, get the poor saps to vote for you, and when the act is over, admit it in full.
...People, after all, don't learn from history, and so the fun and games can repeat!
You are talking about Palin and Obama correct? Not Palin and Hitler???
As for your assertation, while with drugs, gays, exc, yes she is. However, Obama supports gun control and legislation to make people be safe from themselves (Such as seatbelt laws, though since its a state deal I'm more referring to the Democratic party than Obama. So, pretty even
I agree, though treating people with respect =/= giving them the right to do what they want to do (I do support letting them mostly, but "Hate the sin, love the sinner" is not disrespectful, though it may not be libertarian necessarily.)
Its where my religious and libertarian views meet and the battle line which they fight upon
However, my religious views have nothing to do with giving them tax benefits or letting them do what they want to do, my issue religiously is calling it MARRIAGE. Historically, marriage was between a man and a woman. Also, I think children should be raised in man/woman homes.
Ultimately, I think ANY federal decision, either way, is immoral, its not there place. At the state level I'd support it being called "Civil Union" though I suppose calling them all "Civil Union" legally would be OK too.
Palin wants death panels for Muslims Jews and Catholics (along with other none WASPs), Hitler only wanted it for Jews, see Palin and Hitler place close together because of the third axises (I'm speaking of intelligence of course)
Zarn
Le Républicain Catholique
GhostWriter16
Deity
Link maybe?
I'm sorry I won't research this myself but this is nonsense. I need a link.
I am not, although I am in favor of homosexual rights.
+10 eco L/R and -5.90 Social L/A? You are NOT a republican. If you are one, you are a RINO, who is in the GOP simply to vote in the Primary (I wouldn't blame you) as you are socially libertarian and economically WAY to the right of the GOP (I still think most of the GOP is too left economically and look at my score.) At least ideologically, you are a libertarian, like me
Perfection
The Great Head.
Who are you to say who's a republican or not?
GhostWriter16
Deity
Oh, he can be a republican if he wants to, but other than primary purposes there's no excuse for him to be. Judging by his political compass he's more opposed to their policies than I am and I don't much agree with their policies myself.
Perfection
The Great Head.
So what? If you want a major national party, you got two choice, you pick the one closest to you. That's how it works for practically everyone. Not that many people agree with all of the party's platform positions.
oh FYI, political compass is crap.
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