pomthom
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How many opponents did you choose in your game Wastin?
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I went with 6 opponents (of the max 7). I added peter and DeGaulle to the usual suspects.
Someone has beaten my 1405ad effort..... anyone care to admit it?
I've just submitted an AD 1315 game which really doesn't deserve to win the gauntlet (and isn't in 1st place anyway).
(Sorry Neil, but I'm not the one you're looking for... yet.)
I went with my usual doctrine of 1 cottage city, 1 wonder city, and 1 GP farm.
Cathedrals 4-4-2 (two had resources, two did not).
Culture bombs: 2-4-8
Map: Inland Sea, with the usual suspects.
Key dates:
Legendary cities settled: 3975 BC (cottage), 2650 BC (wonder), 2400 BC (GP farm)
Other cities 2100 BC (Marble), 800 BC, 650 BC
Alphabet 1875 BC
Oracle->Currency 1500 BC
Academy 1525 BC
Music 600 BC
CS 380 BC
Lost Liberalism AD 160, got it myself AD 235
I did not build Taj Mahal (failed by a few turns in an outside city).
2 golden ages: 1 for the Slavery-OrgRel-HeredRule, religion, and Buro revolts
and 1 MoM-boosted one for extra culture and great people points late on.
Why do I feel the game could have been better?
a) My specialised legendary cities just weren't all that strong. The cottage city only had 4 towns at the end. (I neglected to build a helper city to grow its cottages for it.) The wonder city didn't really have enough hammers, and the GP farm only had a clam and 4 floodplains.
b) I missed Liberalism. If I'd invested a second GS into science (probably an education bulb), I could have got it, plus Taj soon after for a free revolt.
c) Even though I built lots of workers, I still didn't build enough. Those heavy forest starts really need a whole army of them.
(Sorry Neil, but I'm not the one you're looking for... yet.)
I went with my usual doctrine of 1 cottage city, 1 wonder city, and 1 GP farm.
Cathedrals 4-4-2 (two had resources, two did not).
Culture bombs: 2-4-8
Map: Inland Sea, with the usual suspects.
Key dates:
Legendary cities settled: 3975 BC (cottage), 2650 BC (wonder), 2400 BC (GP farm)
Other cities 2100 BC (Marble), 800 BC, 650 BC
Alphabet 1875 BC
Oracle->Currency 1500 BC
Academy 1525 BC
Music 600 BC
CS 380 BC
Lost Liberalism AD 160, got it myself AD 235
I did not build Taj Mahal (failed by a few turns in an outside city).
2 golden ages: 1 for the Slavery-OrgRel-HeredRule, religion, and Buro revolts
and 1 MoM-boosted one for extra culture and great people points late on.
Why do I feel the game could have been better?
a) My specialised legendary cities just weren't all that strong. The cottage city only had 4 towns at the end. (I neglected to build a helper city to grow its cottages for it.) The wonder city didn't really have enough hammers, and the GP farm only had a clam and 4 floodplains.
b) I missed Liberalism. If I'd invested a second GS into science (probably an education bulb), I could have got it, plus Taj soon after for a free revolt.
c) Even though I built lots of workers, I still didn't build enough. Those heavy forest starts really need a whole army of them.
But that makes me an early GS that sits around until I can bulb something useful (Philo?)...
After I said I almost never bulb Philo, that's just what I did in my game. I was forced to. Mansa picks Civil Service (which I know because I always put my EPs on him like most people do.) Ok, fine, I'll go Aesthetics, Lit, Music.
Before I even get Aesthetics, Darius beelined Music in 1200 BC!! so I lost that race. (and eventually lost the SoZ to him too)
I had to bulb Philo so I could immediately trade for CS and Music or I would lose the Sistine for sure. That was tricky because I had to get Darius to Friendly before he would trade Music.
Once I stablized that tech situation, I just plowed ahead with Paper, Edu, Liberalism in 5 BC (free Nationalism)
I traded for Banking the same turn, so I took a very early FreeSpeech, Caste, Merc, Pacifism.
I have 7 cities that can produce at least one GP. 6 of those are pure 100% GArtist. I put all my non-GA stuff in the capital.
pomthom
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so how many GS did you get in the end? 1 for Academy, 1 for Philo, 1 for Edu? or just 2?I was surprised by very early Music dates in my games too but I guess that's what I got from choosing Gandhi in a culture game...
Funny I never considered building the SoZ but I guess it does grant the equivalent of a GA in your wonder site and worst case you get some fail gold... interesting.
I was surprised by very early Music dates in my games too but I guess that's what I got from choosing Gandhi in a culture game...
Funny I never considered building the SoZ but I guess it does grant the equivalent of a GA in your wonder site and worst case you get some fail gold... interesting.
I've reported up to where I stopped at 10 AD. So far I have 1 GS for Philo and 1 GPro for a golden age (which I just started to make the big civics switch). I don't plan to get more than 1 or 2 more non-GArtists (for the 3rd golden age). If I get really lucky and get all Gartists from here out, then no 3rd GAge.
SoZ makes artist GPP, and it has a large amount of culture, and it's very cheap (assuming you have Ivory) so I like to get it. When I used to play culture many years ago, I would only build artist wonders--nothing else--in order to keep all my cities at 100% GArtist. I would never use a golden age back then. Now I can see the value of using the extras for Golden Ages (especially when you're not spiritual). Golden ages have also gotten a lot better since the 'old days' playing Vanilla Civ.
That might be me.
Horrible game played in a rush just to get a feeling for the dates and REX in EPIC speed. Used a GA for a GoldenAge in order to do all civic changes, then I forgot, then I revolted when not in Golden Age...
Ouch, now I feel even worse.
After losing 1st, I submitted by backup 1370 game, and it dropped me from 2nd to 3rd!!!!
After losing 1st, I submitted by backup 1370 game, and it dropped me from 2nd to 3rd!!!!
Did you do a lot of pre-math chopping to get your chariots? Did you have to choke and pillage metals?
I (almost) never chop pre-math.
I pre-chop pre-math
I was stealing workers like crazy so it was hard for him to hook up anything.
I think I did have to pillage one metal late in the war.
pomthom
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I tried out the Aggressive AI setting because Wastin had written that they took cease fires quickly after a Worker steal, but I observed what seemed to me like the opposite 
Bad luck maybe..? (twas on Peter)
Bad luck maybe..? (twas on Peter)
I tried out the Aggressive AI setting because Wastin had written that they took cease fires quickly after a Worker steal, but I observed what seemed to me like the opposite
Bad luck maybe..? (twas on Peter)
Some AI are quicker to cease fire. DeGaulle is one of the best if not the best.
I thought Peter was good too. You need to capture a worker and not get any units killed. If he has war success, it takes longer.
It really should not involve luck. It's a formula and there is no random component.
Seraiel
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Stupid self-expiring token 
Won't write everything again, game was ok to good but quite unusual, like no Stone, no Music- or Liberalism first.
Winning date was 1305 AD, playtime something like 10-12h substracting CIV running idle in the background, had 6 cities and first 3, then later 4 religion after a city flipped via culture.
Won't write everything again, game was ok to good but quite unusual, like no Stone, no Music- or Liberalism first.
Winning date was 1305 AD, playtime something like 10-12h substracting CIV running idle in the background, had 6 cities and first 3, then later 4 religion after a city flipped via culture.
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Good win date (1305 AD), Seraiel! With a bit of luck, it could win this gauntlet. It should be enough to be in the top three, I'd guess.
Sun Tzu Wu
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That was jesusin's date. Did you beat his score? I think his score was pretty high.
What place are you in? I'm going to guess you're holding on to 3rd right now.
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I believed that my score was already high, but yes, I'm currently holding the 3rd place with that slightly weird game ^^ .
And don't feel to safe STW, there are still 7 days left and I created 5000 maps for this Gauntlet, also, WastinTime is still in the race and I suspect him or his game being able to break some records ^^ .
And don't feel to safe STW, there are still 7 days left and I created 5000 maps for this Gauntlet, also, WastinTime is still in the race and I suspect him or his game being able to break some records ^^ .
My record-breaker is complete and I'm currently holding #1
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Well, I guess the competition is going to be really tough this time with the top players at about 1000 AD to 1300 AD.
WaistinTime's idea of using a Chariot rush will probably lead to the best intial expansion. It could possibly take out one or even two of seven opponents (WastinTime actually used six). Using fewer opponents may result in captured cities that will have higher maintenance due to longer distances from the capital.
I've got three failures of three attempts so far. A DoW and two RLDV losses. In the last one, Sitting Bull won with Gandhi voting for him at +5 visible.
I'm not sure that being first to Music is that important. The AIs will eventually complete Music for the Great Artist and will trade Aesthetics -> Literature/Drama -> Music at Friendly. Being first to Liberalism and getting there very early with a high base culture in the three cultural cities is more important. Of course, building cathedrals, national epic, hermitage and The Sistine Chapel as early as possible is important too.
Sun Tzu Wu
WaistinTime's idea of using a Chariot rush will probably lead to the best intial expansion. It could possibly take out one or even two of seven opponents (WastinTime actually used six). Using fewer opponents may result in captured cities that will have higher maintenance due to longer distances from the capital.
I've got three failures of three attempts so far. A DoW and two RLDV losses. In the last one, Sitting Bull won with Gandhi voting for him at +5 visible.
I'm not sure that being first to Music is that important. The AIs will eventually complete Music for the Great Artist and will trade Aesthetics -> Literature/Drama -> Music at Friendly. Being first to Liberalism and getting there very early with a high base culture in the three cultural cities is more important. Of course, building cathedrals, national epic, hermitage and The Sistine Chapel as early as possible is important too.
Sun Tzu Wu
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