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Game play session instruction thread - 1585 AD; Monday Aug 6 8:30PM EDT

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Democracy Game II' started by donsig, Aug 1, 2007.

  1. dutchfire

    dutchfire Deity

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    Though luck on the power failure during your first Civ4 TC.

    It's good to know that nobody is perfect (except Nobody? :crazyeye:). We got liberalism and that was the most important thing, and I think all DP's have skrewed up (I know I did).
     
  2. Joe Harker

    Joe Harker 1st in the Premiership!

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    And you certainly can't have done as bad as me! :lol:
     
  3. donsig

    donsig Low level intermediary

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    The rules apply to us all (when the citizens decide to apply them that is). Not all instructions were clear nor are they organized in a manner that facilites using them. I was particulry thrown by the NE instructions that included 88, 6 and 41 for instance. It soon dawned on me that these refered to number pad keys for giving directions. That was tough to use since I played on a laptop that doesn't have a number pad. I'm used to S, N, E and W but then again I even ended up confusing those. I moved the caravel W but originally had it as E in the log. :confused: Playing till 2 am when I had been up since 6 am didn't help.

    I don't mean to single you out fed1943 so please don't take offence and please don't leave. :) It was very difficult having to go back and forth between the game and the instructions and remembering which cities actually had instructions. I know I erred on Coppertown since it is grouped with the French cities and that didn't stick in my mind. We definately need a better way to organize instructions.

    The vague reference to Civ III meant that in those DGs when there were no official instrucitons concerning something then the DP was allowed to make the decision as to what to do.
     
  4. dutchfire

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    I believe it's still that way.
     
  5. HUSch

    HUSch Secret-monger

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    Perhaps it will be better for the DP, if the city instructions will be in the order of the ingame and not for the province: NoneOfTheAbove, Equus aurum, Riversight, Copper, Reims etc.
     
  6. donsig

    donsig Low level intermediary

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    I'm not sure. Keeping the build queues separate from the worker actions and from the tile allocations is certainly needed. Screenshots for tile allocations are helpful. Build queue example:

    City A: granary, library, university

    City B: aqueduct, library, catapult

    City C: barracks, maceman, maceman

    Having all the build queues in one place would also be helpful. Couldn't governors (or whatever they are called now) submit build queues to a head governor or domestic leader who then bundles them all together into one instruction post? It would be nice if all worker actions were together in one place as well.

    Following the instructions in this thread cannot be compared to following the game play scheduling initiative. Since you brought this up, I'll further state that I realized I made mistakes after making them and admitted it.

    Berlin was an oversight on the granary and I really don't see how I missed it. Sorry about that. Munich did not build military since other cities were building catapults faster and the warlord instruction's were along the lines of build this if you can.

    The Coppertown error I realized while I was still playing - but after the observatory was built. As I said earlier, I thought Coppertown was included in the cities that did not have order. It was another mistake on my part.

    From what I read everyone was very pleased with your play. I must admit this was a difficult session for me. I had been up since 6 am which is not usual for me. I thought I'd be able to concentrate on the game at 8:30 but that proved not to be so since some work things popped up. Then the laptop went out once. It was really lucky that I had been doing the log on my work computer so it wasn't affected when the laptop when down. Still I had to redo 3 turns. Micro-managing is difficult to put into instructions and so the DP has to do most of that. That's not one of my strengths. Also, I do not know how to set up build queues in [civ4]! How do you do that?

    Anyway, I make this post not to cause arguments but in the hope that we can find better ways of doing things to prevent the same mistakes from happening in the future.
     
  7. grant2004

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    I agree entirely, a different class of mistakes, and you did an excellent job in carrying out the majority of instructions (which is all that can be asked within reason) and then behaved honorably in the aftermath of the mistakes, no offense was intended by my statement. I meant that statement more to say that this session would be helpful in making your revision to the scheduling initiative more reasonable and flexible, rather than a pot-shot at any past actions, I apologize if that came off wrong.

    I hope you run as DP next term, nobody keeps as detailed a log as you did, and that's something that everyone can agree is a good thing.
     
  8. DaveShack

    DaveShack Inventor Retired Moderator

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    Methos's logs are pretty detailed too. Both of our standout good examples come from players who frequent the GOTM, HOF, or SGs.
     
  9. donsig

    donsig Low level intermediary

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    Don't forget the MTDGs. :)

    And I do apologize for the errors. If I do run again for DP I will surely be on the lookout for the types of mistakes I made this time. I'd also budget more time for taking screenshots.
     
  10. Methos

    Methos HoF Quattromaster Super Moderator Hall of Fame Staff

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    My wife doesn't understand, but I see the full necessity of having a dual monitor setup for SG's, DG's, GOTM, and any other game that requires a log. Heck, it's hard enough going back and forth between my work on the Info Center and the BTS pedia.

    Though I agree that some sort of easier way to organize instructions would be best, I also hate to force anyone to do it through an initiative. Maybe we could make a guideline, or something we suggest DP's use?
     
  11. fed1943

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    My time is very short, now.
    I will return, but I must say this right now:
    I took no offense and hope I didn't offend anyone.
    And about a DP make mistakes: the only amazing thing is so few mistakes
    are done. Better way of doing the instructions need to be thought.
    Best regards,
     
  12. dutchfire

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    About the instructions: I like to copy them to wordpad (Word/any text editor), put them in the order I like and print them out. If you use Word, you can even make colourcoding and whatever more.

    Re: buildqueues: I believe Shift-clicking the various things you want in the buildqueue in the order you want them does the trick. Or it's the other way roudn. You remove items from the buildqueue by clicking on them, you don't lose hammers if you do that btw.

    Re Methos: I don't suppose you can buy a second computer from your HOF/Moderatorship income, but you could use some normal paper to write things up, or wordpad and alt-tabbing.
     
  13. donsig

    donsig Low level intermediary

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    That's a good idea dutchfire - but does add to the DP's workload. :(

    Shift click for build queues? :hmm: That sounds like how it's done in Civ III. Why the heck didn't I think of that before! :hammer2:
     

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