Gaza ~ What would YOU do?
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brennan
Argumentative Brit
^ What he said.
Most of them are very much prepared to do this, given some quid pro quo.
What of the settlements? Also, what time in 1948? Do you mean the 1949 peace (which Hamas has endorsed) or the beginning of the year?Labtec600 said:
amadeus
Apply directly to the forehead
Seal off the borders and if any rocket is fired into Israeli territory, massive retaliation.
JohnRM
Don't make me destroy you
From an objective, outsider point of view
Keep my nose out of it. Let both sides hammer out their own issues unless they specifically ask for some kind of mediation from a third party or other kind of help.
From an Israeli point of view
Continue to pound known enemy positions and points of fire from within Gaza. Occupy the territory and shut down the Hamas government, maintaining only those agencies necessary to route essential humanitarian aid and basic civil functions within the city, if that is practical.
Find and shut down all weapons smuggling networks. Find and dismantle arms manufacturers. Prohibit protests and gatherings of large crowds for any reason not sanctioned by the occupational administration. Bug and place cameras in all possible places where the terrorists might meet, including in religious facilities.
Shut down all educational facilities that teach hate and establish new schools that give Arabs an actual education, complete with scholarships and grants for students to attend universities.
From an Arab point of view
Swear off violence as a means of achieving political ambition. Dismantle our suicide bomber training facilities. Turn in terrorist leaders. Establish a peace agreement with the Israeli government in exchange for the entire Gaza Strip. Establish the nation of Gaza and build a country for the people. Work toward greater relations with the State of Israel, perhaps eventually unifying with the State of Israel and the West Bank to form some kind of Federation.
^What the above 3 have said. Arabs, quit firing rockets and suicide bombing. Israel, give them back Gaza, West Bank, and the Golan Heights.
Or, even better, this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
Or, even better, this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
SS-18 ICBM
Oscillator
Try to broker a peace agreement. Failing that, glass the entire area.
azzaman333
meh
Convert the entire Middle East into Cybermen. That way, the Doctor has to intervene and fix it up.
West 36
Can count up to 4
Have a mandatory hug day.
The Palestinians will probably win that one though.
The Palestinians will probably win that one though.
Zarn
Le Républicain Catholique
We should restablish Jerusalem, and I don't mean the city. Neither side would expect it.
Since monarchies are so last millenium, it would have to be a republic.
My ideas are one in a million.
What? Don't give me that look. You don't like it? You got a problem, punk? Grrr...
You are just jealous. Yes, you. You, the punk reading this. J-E-A-L-O-U-S. Jealous.
Okay, I'm good, now.
Since monarchies are so last millenium, it would have to be a republic.
My ideas are one in a million.
What? Don't give me that look. You don't like it? You got a problem, punk? Grrr...
You are just jealous. Yes, you. You, the punk reading this. J-E-A-L-O-U-S. Jealous.
Okay, I'm good, now.
Winner
Diverse in Unity
Very briefly (I explained it in more detail to Verbose in the "Hezbollah attacks northern Israel" thread):
1) Cripple/destroy Hamas with military force
2) Establish Israeli military control over whole Gaza strip
3) Ensure that no weapons are smuggled in either by land or sea
4) Establish an Israeli-controlled government in Gaza, through which aid would be distributed.
5) Try to improve the economic situation.
6) Reward those who cooperate, severely punish those don't.
BTW, Gaza strip's annual pop. growth rate is 3.42%, which means the population doubles every 20 years. It would be sensible to do something about that too - perhaps to administer contraceptives in food and water
1) Cripple/destroy Hamas with military force
2) Establish Israeli military control over whole Gaza strip
3) Ensure that no weapons are smuggled in either by land or sea
4) Establish an Israeli-controlled government in Gaza, through which aid would be distributed.
5) Try to improve the economic situation.
6) Reward those who cooperate, severely punish those don't.
BTW, Gaza strip's annual pop. growth rate is 3.42%, which means the population doubles every 20 years. It would be sensible to do something about that too - perhaps to administer contraceptives in food and water
Mr. Dictator
A Chain-Smoking Fox
Very briefly (I explained it in more detail to Verbose in the "Hezbollah attacks northern Israel" thread):
1) Cripple/destroy Hamas with military force
2) Establish Israeli military control over whole Gaza strip
3) Ensure that no weapons are smuggled in either by land or sea
4) Establish an Israeli-controlled government in Gaza, through which aid would be distributed.
5) Try to improve the economic situation.
6) Reward those who cooperate, severely punish those don't.
BTW, Gaza strip's annual pop. growth rate is 3.42%, which means the population doubles every 20 years. It would be sensible to do something about that too - perhaps to administer contraceptives in food and water
what was your problem with russian occupation?
number 6 seems like it's right outta their playbook.
Winner
Diverse in Unity
Any occupation force uses similar methods. Occupation is a tool, there is no moral value in itself just as there is no moral value in a knife. You can use it for both good and bad purposes.
In the same way, you can occupy some country for bad reasons (Poland in WW2) and you can occupy someone for good reasons (Germany and Japan after WW2).
Gaza is a powder keg, with the difference that it keeps exploding over and over again. You can either apply radical solutions (wipe it out, expell the population etc.) or you can try to civilize it by force.
I'd give the more humane approach one last chance. Then Israel will be left with only the radical solutions.
Verbose
Deity
Which could work (hold the contraceptives), if the Israelis were prepared to what it takes to get it to work.Very briefly (I explained it in more detail to Verbose in the "Hezbollah attacks northern Israel" thread):
1) Cripple/destroy Hamas with military force
2) Establish Israeli military control over whole Gaza strip
3) Ensure that no weapons are smuggled in either by land or sea
4) Establish an Israeli-controlled government in Gaza, through which aid would be distributed.
5) Try to improve the economic situation.
6) Reward those who cooperate, severely punish those don't.
BTW, Gaza strip's annual pop. growth rate is 3.42%, which means the population doubles every 20 years. It would be sensible to do something about that too - perhaps to administer contraceptives in food and water
Essentially it's stuff that could have been done in 67. In a way it would mean Israel unilaterally rolling things back to the way they were during the first Intifada.
Now, if the Israelis thought that situation too hot to handle, to painful, involving too much Israeli blood spilt, the erosion of their armed forces as an occupation force etc., well, imagine all that excpet now you get to deal with every kind of crap people like Hamas is going to try to throw at it.
I.e., there is no way this will work under present circumstances. Winner wouldn't survive in Israeli politics on a platform like this.
And that, I think, is the other big problem with the situation. Getting out of the rut it is in for Israel, making some bloody bold and risky decisions that could pay off in a rather distant future.
Winner's plan here could work. But first he will have to get himself autocratic powers over the Israelis, and then survive the assasination attempts on his life by a choice selection of his subjects.
Though I'm sure Winner would make an excellent tyrant for both Palestinians and Israelis.
I'll get back on what I think might, improbable as it is, work here-
amadeus
Apply directly to the forehead
Czechoslovakia was not an aggressor nation.
Why the Golan Heights? And give them back to whom? Syria? Yeah, giving al-Assad a straight shot across the plains to Tel Aviv is going to fly real well with the Israeli electorate, government, and military.
Winner
Diverse in Unity
Though I'm sure Winner would make an excellent tyrant for both Palestinians and Israelis.
I'd be loved by my subjects
Seriously - I am not saying that Israel will do this, I find it very improbable. This is what I'd try if I could.
Neverwonagame3
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Yes, I am serious about this list. If anybody has any serious objections to this being a good idea for the U.S government to do, please say so.
1) Figure out whether or not it is true that God considers Israel (the current Israel- there are claims with good grounding that they actually Khazars) to have the right to the land.
2) If false, consider either option i or ii. If true, opt for option iii.
i: have U.S cut funding to Israel. 1 or 2 years later (though this should be top secret), prepare coalition of Syria, Palestine, Saudi Arabia (U.S pressure), the U.S (though offering evacuation and U.S citizenship for Israelis who want it), and anybody else willing to help. Most Jews driven onto ships and sent to U.S (or wherever they want to go that will accept them)- with the exception of those that legitimately bought land from Palestinians, who are allowed to stay and kepe their land as a condition of the treaty. Palestinians resettle land.
ii: Have the U.S make the following with Hamas, using U.S troops as enforcement if they break it:
-The U.S government will literally buy all Jew land gained by force from it's original owners for it's value at the time of expulsion (possibly using some mechanism through the States to make this technically constitutional), thus legitimising Jew control there.
-Much of Islamic law will be enforced throughout the region (not the conversion rules, but things like the hijab and stoning to death for certain offences) on both Israel and Palestine
-The U.S government will give Hamas some lump payment to seal the deal
iii: Have U.S give Israel full support in going all-out- at first, expulsion of Arabs from Israel proper and the restoration of settlements on the West Bank. Second, outright expulsion from the West Bank and Machivellian colonisation policies for the whole Bank. Third, formal annexation of Syria, Lebanon, and Jordan, with an agreement forcing all non-Jews to evacuate within 200 years.
1) Figure out whether or not it is true that God considers Israel (the current Israel- there are claims with good grounding that they actually Khazars) to have the right to the land.
2) If false, consider either option i or ii. If true, opt for option iii.
i: have U.S cut funding to Israel. 1 or 2 years later (though this should be top secret), prepare coalition of Syria, Palestine, Saudi Arabia (U.S pressure), the U.S (though offering evacuation and U.S citizenship for Israelis who want it), and anybody else willing to help. Most Jews driven onto ships and sent to U.S (or wherever they want to go that will accept them)- with the exception of those that legitimately bought land from Palestinians, who are allowed to stay and kepe their land as a condition of the treaty. Palestinians resettle land.
ii: Have the U.S make the following with Hamas, using U.S troops as enforcement if they break it:
-The U.S government will literally buy all Jew land gained by force from it's original owners for it's value at the time of expulsion (possibly using some mechanism through the States to make this technically constitutional), thus legitimising Jew control there.
-Much of Islamic law will be enforced throughout the region (not the conversion rules, but things like the hijab and stoning to death for certain offences) on both Israel and Palestine
-The U.S government will give Hamas some lump payment to seal the deal
iii: Have U.S give Israel full support in going all-out- at first, expulsion of Arabs from Israel proper and the restoration of settlements on the West Bank. Second, outright expulsion from the West Bank and Machivellian colonisation policies for the whole Bank. Third, formal annexation of Syria, Lebanon, and Jordan, with an agreement forcing all non-Jews to evacuate within 200 years.
No, there aren't. Outside of the expedient of genetic testing (which has been used), one can simply note that the entire khaganate of the Khazars didn't actually convert to Judaism, but merely a large portion of the ruling class did, and thus would not provide sufficient genetic material to allow for the genesis of all Ashkenazi Jewry. And to support the claims of Ashkenazism being of a Khazar origin, we have a novel by Arthur Koestler, a series of books by American Southern Christian Identity authors, and the histrionics of the odd Arab politician, none of whom utilize a shred of evidence.
In short, I call shenanigans on the Khazar theory.
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