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Never doubt the power of the people to strike fear into the hearts of those in power. Something tells me that this wouldn't have happened under "normal" circumstances.
[RD] George Floyd and protesting while black
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Rashiminos
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Probably within the realm of executive overreach and conspicuously poor timing, but not wrong.
Of course not, Senators Schumer and Pelosi. That would be the job of your colleagues in state legislatures across the country, but you go on ahead and seize the optics.
Bugfatty300
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Police do carry guns in Britain, just (afaik) they either will show up with nothing (just their comedy baton or what that is), or the full semi-automatic & vest and in groups ready for Counterstrike.
And the latter does look scary and anti-civilian. Moreso I am not sure why they had to show up like a circus in Piccadilly or other central locations.
Goddamn. The term "mall ninja" used to be parody.
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Unless the cop's life is threatened, as defined by the cop, which could include having milkshakes thrown at them. So, meaningless.
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It's a class issue more than anything. Go to a white working class neighborhood and you'll bear witness to the same as a black working class neighborhood; decrepit housing, major drug issues, large scale unemployment, crime, over policing, high incarceration rates, high single motherhood rates and so forth.
Hopefully they'll tear down the Karl Marx statues too, he was a racist, despite being a darling of the social justice movement.
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Karl Marx statues anywhere really, statue dismantling is occurring world wide.
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Austrian cops fined a guy 500 Euros for farting at them, which seems excessive until you consider that in the US the cops would have shot him in self defense.
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Who's tearing down statues of racists? Aren't they tearing down statues of slavers?
gay_Aleks
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You would have to tear down a lot of statues if you start taking down racists, so the protesters, like the reasonable people they are, first decided to focus on slavers, who are racists, anyways, and now eventually, they'll return to the racists who aren't slavers, though I'll admit that the overlap is pretty big.
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This actually is not true considering most working class white neighborhoods are rural and the urban ones are generally suburban. So yea drugs and decrepit housing is a thing but over policing is not, nor is high incarceration rates. If you can get black neighborhoods with similar economic conditions to the same place as rural white towns then you'd have achieved something. Remember the reaction to the opiate problem was compassion and concern, mainly because it hit white areas.
You won't find many.
3 in Germany, 2 in Russia, 2 in China, 1 in Turkey, and 1 in India.
Germany is the only 1 of those countries where I've heard of a BLM protest taking place.
Isn't there one at his grave in the UK?
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That's his gravestone, so it's not really a statue, per se, not to mention, it's on a private property.
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There is the argument in the UK over Churchill I guess, though I'm not sure how serious that is and there is also the Columbus thing here in the US. I'm generally on board with he confederate ones in places of honor coming down. They belong on battlefields and museums at best and mainly as a recognition of our continued racism problems.
Strictly speaking its a bust, and as Tolina says on his gravestone. It has been vandalised by the far-right in the past.
Although Churchill's statue has been vandalised nobody has actually proposed taking it down as far as I'm aware.
For historically significant but controversial figures like Churchill, Cromwell and Columbus I'd favour keeping the statues but adding a plaque with a fuller explanation of their role, both positive and negative.
Also "Marx was a racist" seems to be a very modern smear against him. The most famous is that he called Lassalle a 'Jewish N-' either it was 'Negro' in their parlance or the racist '-R' parlance.
He wrote 'On the Jewish Question' because he was a Ethnic Jew living at the time and struggling with that in the question of Secularism and religiosity and emancipation. Marx acknowledged Slavery as an economic mechanism, but one that eventually does run its course, and this is the guy who eventually told Abraham Lincoln 'good job' for emancipation twenty years after his texts on Slavery. Also he coined this: "as the American War of Independence initiated a new era of ascendancy for the middle class, so the American Antislavery War will do for the working classes." which is a helluva good title for the ACW.
It's a bit of a reach compared to folk like literal Confederate Generals and Raiders.
He wrote 'On the Jewish Question' because he was a Ethnic Jew living at the time and struggling with that in the question of Secularism and religiosity and emancipation. Marx acknowledged Slavery as an economic mechanism, but one that eventually does run its course, and this is the guy who eventually told Abraham Lincoln 'good job' for emancipation twenty years after his texts on Slavery. Also he coined this: "as the American War of Independence initiated a new era of ascendancy for the middle class, so the American Antislavery War will do for the working classes." which is a helluva good title for the ACW.
It's a bit of a reach compared to folk like literal Confederate Generals and Raiders.
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The US founding fathers had slaves as well. Not likely their statues will be taken down - or erased from that mountain side.
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