I guess if I ever need my rights measured in foot-pounds or something, I'll use 'dead to rights'.
[RD] George Floyd and protesting while black
- Thread starter Estebonrober
- Start date
- Status
Seon
Not An Evil Liar
why are we discussing american colloquialism again
Socrates99
Bottoms up!
Kinda like gallons or pounds, we're the only idiots using it.
Still, dead to rights sounds way cooler than bang to rights. I guess if you're just going for a colloquial cool factor dead to rights wins.
"I got bobby by the pound Whitney by the key DJ Screw by the gallon b* the game belong to me"
Bang to rights is a thing.
But back on topic:
In case you cannot access the entire article, the video in question is here
N.Y.P.D. Says It Used Restraint During Protests. Here’s What the Videos Show.
Police officials say there were “isolated cases” of inappropriate force. But footage from 64 videos shows many attacks on protesters that appear unwarranted.
Police officials say there were “isolated cases” of inappropriate force. But footage from 64 videos shows many attacks on protesters that appear unwarranted.
In case you cannot access the entire article, the video in question is here
TheMeInTeam
If A implies B...
- Joined
- Jan 26, 2008
- Messages
- 27,995
That group of video clips doesn't show anything useful. If you want an honest representation of events, you need full footage of each incident in context.
As far as clips go, considering the motivation to compile these in the first place the fact that many of the incidents do appear justified is something of a bad look for the presumed argument.
Though even w/o context the few sets of police beating on/punching someone who's down should get them an assault charge. Just because the protesters are sometimes dishonest doesn't mean the police aren't also dishonest in some of these cases.
As far as clips go, considering the motivation to compile these in the first place the fact that many of the incidents do appear justified is something of a bad look for the presumed argument.
Though even w/o context the few sets of police beating on/punching someone who's down should get them an assault charge. Just because the protesters are sometimes dishonest doesn't mean the police aren't also dishonest in some of these cases.
Not in Murica its not
must not try to win the thread as if it were a mafia game
must not try to win the thread as if it were a mafia game
must not try to win the thread as if it were a mafia game
must not try to win the thread as if it were a mafia game
must not try to win the thread as if it were a mafia game
must not try to win the thread as if it were a mafia game
must not try to win the thread as if it were a mafia game
EnglishEdward
Deity
Not sure there is a difference between "dead to rights" and "bang to rights"
if the policeman shoots ("bang") you ("dead") when you try to exercise your rights.
if the policeman shoots ("bang") you ("dead") when you try to exercise your rights.
EnglishEdward
Deity
Oh, I read that, but I think it only reasonable to interpret the terminology in the context of this thread.
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
I do wish Americans would apply this criteria more liberally.
But what about the context? A group of lawbreakers was disrupting the capital, and foreign terrorists twisted the event to make it look like police brutality. This is just normal riot control.
TheMeInTeam
If A implies B...
- Joined
- Jan 26, 2008
- Messages
- 27,995
I do wish Americans would apply this criteria more liberally.
But what about the context? A group of lawbreakers was disrupting the capital, and foreign terrorists twisted the event to make it look like police brutality. This is just normal riot control.
Not in the least comparable to the cited videos and a bit off topic.
Though yes, even in that picture the context matters.
After being burned by mainstream news sources more than once, I do find it interesting that I cannot just trust that the New York Times would curate videos in a useful manner.
Ideally all you need is a couple spot checks. Watch for videos that look clipped too early, track down the actual context. You could even use the statistical model, but without numbers. You only need to show a couple examples of bad faith before deciding that the curation was bad faith
Ideally all you need is a couple spot checks. Watch for videos that look clipped too early, track down the actual context. You could even use the statistical model, but without numbers. You only need to show a couple examples of bad faith before deciding that the curation was bad faith
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
Why not? Explain why it is not comparable. Explain to me why black protesters being shot off the streets in every city in America or being disappeared in the dead of night or targeted for KKK terror killings is not like an authoritarian government cracking down on peaceful protesters violently.
Estebonrober
Deity
- Joined
- Jan 9, 2017
- Messages
- 6,062
Or explain how it is not a direct continuation of white supremacy policies on a slightly different scale then the previous generation.
TheMeInTeam
If A implies B...
- Joined
- Jan 26, 2008
- Messages
- 27,995
If you ask me an analogous question with a shred of honesty (and without blatant hyperbole + inaccuracy) I will be happy to discuss it. The way this was phrased was non-sequitur to my discussion so I will not.
If it were on-topic we could get into that discussion again, but we were asked not to go there in this thread.
It is not ‘like’, it just is. The KKK actually had its actions legitimised by sheriffs deputising murderers on the spot, which is why when a white law enforcement agent attacks (and often kills) a minority citizen the burden of proof is inverted and the victims has to prove why the attack was unjustified.
I thought you'd been reading your Berzerker.
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
Don’t be so churlish. You said they were different, I asked why they were different. Don’t make it into something it’s not because you’re reading into things. You would agree this photo, without any particular context, has become known worldwide. So I ask, now that you’ve seen photos of patrol cars ramming protesters and cops shootings reporters and tear gas being used on peaceful crowds - the violent incidents of protest notwithstanding, all of these things are true and it is incorrect to state there has not been a repeated prevalence of violence across the US against peaceful protesters - what excuses can you make?
So the Tiananmen comparison is actually quite apt, because the day of the most recent anniversary, heavily armored attack vehicles were roaming down the streets of American cities... hunting anyone who dared show their face in solidarity for George Floyd.
So, how is it different?
- Status
Similar threads
