[RD] George Floyd and protesting while black

[Berzerker]

There has been no arrests of confirmed antifa affiliated personnel to this day but there have been dozens of right wing extremists arrested and charged for everything from attacking protesters, to killing police, to property destruction. Wonder why none of this concerns police or the FBI? It it it couldn't be more white supremacist bullfeathers could it? could it?

Isn't Antifa mostly white, even whiter than the general population?

 

[Estebonrober]

Isn't Antifa mostly white, even whiter than the general population?

maybe? probably? I'm not sure of your point.

 

[Bugfatty300]

maybe? probably? I'm not sure of your point.

Anti-racist is code for anti-white.

He thinks that your only criteria for labeling people as white supremacists is their whiteness; therefore you're a hypocrite for not holding white anti-fascists to the same standard.

 

[Berzerker]

maybe? probably? I'm not sure of your point.

I thought you were arguing the motive for going after Antifa was racial, something about white supremacy.

Anti-racist is code for anti-white.

He thinks that your only criteria for labeling people as white supremacists is their whiteness; therefore you're a hypocrite for not holding white anti-fascists to the same standard.

no

 

[Crezth]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests

I'm talking about police brutality specifically, and earlier so were you.

This is not evidence nor an argument! Try again!

I didn't denounce the peaceful protestors though, aside from those who protested over farcical situations like Atlanta taser man somehow being handled poorly.

There you go, denouncing them again! You really can't help yourself.

You have evidence that police were driving with intent to ram, the protestors somehow knew this and...threw themselves in front to be rammed? If not, what are you going for with this?

The evidence is that the police drove into the protesters, through a barrier. You're the one proposing this psychotic notion that we have to prove people who have been rammed weren't asking for it.

Words have meaning in reality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem.

It's not an ad hominem just because you feel like it is. Facts don't care about your feelings.

How do you identify the Marxist subset protestors compared to other protestors, or how does the source you're using identify said Marxists?

Everyone just saw you dodge a question and very clumsily at that: "So nothing to say about US police killing more BLM protesters than Chinese police killing Hong Kong protesters?"

Let me help you out with words: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem --> Quoted is exactly the kind of drivel that is ad hominem, and does nothing to contribute to the topic or argument of either person.

Again, there's no need to be churlish. If you were standing around and you saw a bunch of masked soldiers spring out of an unmarked minivan, grab a guy, and haul him off, you'd be unacquainted with reality not to suspect that something like a kidnapping had just happened. It's common sense.

If protestors were "peaceful" to the extent claimed, we wouldn't have situations like a single city claiming $500,000,000 in damages due to "protests". That's not what peaceful protest looks like, and these kinds of damages are not restricted to that one city.

This is meaningless - not only because you don't bother providing any evidence, as usual - but because governments always blame protesters for damage caused by violence when the police suppress them. Ask yourself, why do the Hong Kong protests have a HK$10.5 million repairs price tag and HK$2.8 billion in lost revenues?

Never mind what I've said about police reform policy changes in this + other threads, apparently that doesn't count and it's kosher for the echo chamber to like it as you repeatedly lie about my outright stated position as if that somehow contributes to the discussion.

Your credibility is shot, I'm sorry. You contribute nothing to discussions by questioning video and photographic evidence of police brutality because you don't "trust the media," because you think there's some unseen and unverified conspiracy to make the protesters look good based on... what? Like we don't need to rehabilitate the rioters or sanitize the protests' image because we know for a fact that peaceful protesters are also being attacked. The existence of lawbreakers does not justify the police just unilaterally suspending First Amendment rights to free assembly and free speech. Choosing to justify the police actions on the hypothetical grounds of lawbreaking is justification for authoritarianism 101.

Were the billions of dollars of damages actions of peace? Should the law stop applying now? Isn't that what got Floyd killed, the law not counting when it should have counted?

What got Floyd killed was the law's enforcers being an unaccountable, violent club of murderers. The law is already broken, it's broken when the police go out and blast people for exercising their First Amendment rights, for whipping crowds up into riotous frenzies. Any rioting, crime, and damage all falls squarely in the lap of the police for breaking the peace and turning our cities into warzones. Your appeals to law and order fall on deaf ears: order has already declared war on law.

 

[Estebonrober]

I thought you were arguing the motive for going after Antifa was racial, something about white supremacy.



no

No its just more of this administration making Americans themselves to be enemies of theirs.

 

[cardgame]

As for being attacked on porches, again context matters. Though pepper ball is assault at worst and isn't what people normally think of when they hear someone was shot on their porch. I'm not sure the pepper ball shot by a rando civilian would even be a larger sentence than destroying a vehicle. Maybe?

We've all seen the context. The context makes it worse. Stop trying to deflect.

 

[W|M]

Isn't Antifa mostly white, even whiter than the general population?

no

 

[Crezth]

The Schutzstaffel has taken to the streets in Portland: https://twitter.com/dburbach/status/1283936410043637763

 

[Seon]

According to a Portlander I know, this appear to be one of the result of Trump’s personal vendetta against the city—it being a site of large and very visible anti-Trump demonstrations in the past. Notably we have very high profile federal bureaucrats personally involved in quelling unrest in this specific city.

 

[Berzerker]

No its just more of this administration making Americans themselves to be enemies of theirs.

Antifa declared war a while ago

 

[Estebonrober]

Antifa declared war a while ago

Oh? um thats news to me. Did they make a declaration? Maybe they called the UN first? Oh they sent and ambassador to a federal courthouse!. . .

Please. This is hyperbole and propaganda of the worst kind. Even you are better then falling for this garbage @Berzerker

 

[Samson]

The Schutzstaffel has taken to the streets in Portland: https://twitter.com/dburbach/status/1283936410043637763

“I am basically tossed into the van,” Pettibone said. “And I had my beanie pulled over my face so I couldn’t see and they held my hands over my head.”
Blinded by his hat, in an unmarked minivan full of armed people dressed in camouflage and body armor who hadn’t identified themselves, Pettibone said he was driven around downtown before being unloaded inside a building. He wouldn’t learn until after his release that he had been inside the federal courthouse.
Pettibone said he was put into a cell. Soon after, two officers came in to read him his Miranda rights. They didn’t tell him why he was being arrested. He said they asked him if he wanted to waive his rights and answer some questions, but Pettibone declined and said he wanted a lawyer. The interview was terminated, and about 90 minutes later he was released. He said he did not receive any paperwork, citation or record of his arrest.

All United States Marshals Service arrestees have public records of arrest documenting their charges. Our agency did not arrest or detain Mark James Pettibone.”

So if it was not a legal arrest, is there any other option that kidnapping, which carries a hefty custodial sentence?

 

[Kyriakos]

I think antifa is still pretty tame in the US. In some other countries there have been deaths caused by antifa, as in people burned inside buildings.

At any rate, antifa is a term stressed at "anti", so anti-antifa is also stressed there; one isn't fa if they just regard antifa as negative.
I am sol, btw. Maybe part re too - I hate normies.

 

[Bamspeedy]

So if it was not a legal arrest, is there any other option that kidnapping, which carries a hefty custodial sentence?

There are officers from 6 different federal agencies deployed. Only the marshal service said they didnt detain him. So I'm guessing it was a different agency..... or does US Marshal Service cover all of them?.....(or it was staged).

 

[Samson]

There are officers from 6 different federal agencies deployed. Only the marshal service said they didnt detain him. So I'm guessing it was a different agency..... or does US Marshal Service cover all of them?.....(or it was staged).

Is it possible to be legally arrested and not be aware of what crime you are being arrested for? In the UK being told what crime is a required part of the arrest procedure.

 

[Commodore]

I think antifa is still pretty tame in the US

That's because Americans in general are pretty tame. We definitely aren't as tough as we used to be as a people. We've become all bark and no bite.

 

[Bamspeedy]

Is it possible to be legally arrested and not be aware of what crime you are being arrested for? In the UK being told what crime is a required part of the arrest procedure.

Difference between arrested and detained.

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclop...her-you-ve-been-arrested-simply-detained.html

 

[Samson]

Difference between arrested and detained.

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclop...her-you-ve-been-arrested-simply-detained.html

Interesting, and it seems complicated. However I cannot see how the interaction described above could be “brief and cursory”.

[EDIT] Also it seems very different in the UK. It seems like any deprivation of liberty of movement is an arrest. Then it is the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 that can make the arrest legal, and that requires a police officer must inform a person that they are under arrest and the reason why. A failure to do so will render the arrest unlawful.

 

[Seon]

It’s a pretty clear case of detainment being used as intimidation tactics. If they were fully legally doing this, they wouldn’t have retreated when the protester invoked their right to an attorney. They also wouldn’t be running around with rental cars and unmarked uniforms.

If this happened in Hong Kong American government would be claiming a clear case of government sponsored acts of terror and kidnapping.