[RD] George Floyd and protesting while black

[Ajidica]

lso, Trump never called Nazis fine people. I think he said there were some fine people at the Charlottesville protest, and perhaps *you* called them all Nazis; painting them with the widest brush possible, because you're the bigot. (no offense)

He said that the side shouting "Jews will not replace us", marking with hakenkreuz flags, and SS runes painted on shields included "very fine people". If you choose to believe that waving the hakenkreuz or SS runes doesn't make one a Nazi, or at least Nazi-adjacent, that speaks volumes about you.

 

[El_Machinae]

But to some people it actually is his Mission Accomplished moment.

I'm surprised the Bishop didn't welcome him as a liberator.

Also, Trump never called Nazis fine people. I think he said there were some fine people at the Charlottesville protest, and perhaps *you* called them all Nazis; painting them with the widest brush possible, because you're the bigot. (no offense)

In another time, I think I'd have some sympathy for his inability to message. I think he really was trying to express moral support for everyone who was on both sides of those rallies that were 'fine people'. And there probably were such people.

But swastikas felt welcome at those rallies, so the fine people weren't in sufficient numbers or sufficiently fine.

Reminds me of the GOP Convention attendees that booed Captain Steven Hill for being gay. Sure, there were probably people who didn't want to boo a gay volunteer in active deployment, but the people who did the booing felt welcome to do so.

Trump tweeted false race crime statistics as a candidate, pardoned a sheriff who racially profiled, and called for protesting NFL players to be fired. So, his inability to properly message the 'both sides' containing 'some fine people' might be because he actively courts the people who don't mind the swastikas.

 

[zxcvbob]

He said that the side shouting "Jews will not replace us", marking with hakenkreuz flags, and SS runes painted on shields included "very fine people". If you choose to believe that waving the hakenkreuz or SS runes doesn't make one a Nazi, or at least Nazi-adjacent, that speaks volumes about you.

There probably were some Nazi skinheads there. Does that make all of them Nazis? Be careful how you answer that; there are black people who are criminals and worthless layabouts. (they have civil rights too, BTW) Does that make all of them so? I like to think that the scumbags in most groups are in the minority. Or perhaps we're not talking about the same incident.

 

[caketastydelish]

Their side of the rally though was literally called "Unite the right." But it was not for the traditional conservatism of American politics, but explicitly the alt-right. You should have watched the HBO documentary on the subject.

edit: forgot to include the word "not" which makes a big difference.

 

[zxcvbob]

Their side of the rally though, was literally called "Unite the right." But it was for the traditional conservatism of American politics, but explicitly the alt-right. You should have watched the HBO documentary on the subject.

Thanks, if I can find it I will. (I don't have HBO) I'm talking about ppl protesting the tearing-down of Civil War statues, which I think took place in Charlottesville.

 

[caketastydelish]

 

[Ajidica]

There probably were some Nazi skinheads there. Does that make all of them Nazis? Be careful how you answer that; there are black people who are criminals and worthless layabouts. (they have civil rights too, BTW) Does that make all of them so? I like to think that the scumbags in most groups are in the minority. Or perhaps we're not talking about the same incident.

Wow, you are really going to try and die on the hill that not all of the people marching alongside the hakenkreuz and SS rune flags were Nazis.
I mean, that is certainly a stance one can take.

Thanks, if I can find it I will. (I don't have HBO) I'm talking about ppl protesting the tearing-down of Civil War statues, which I think took place in Charlottesville.

You mean the night-time tiki torch marchers protesting the removal of the statue while shouting "The Jews will not replace us"?

 

[Arwon]

Decline in looting and damage may just speak to needing a break for the stores to restock.

I like the cut of your jib

 

[Timsup2nothin]

There probably were some Nazi skinheads there. Does that make all of them Nazis? Be careful how you answer that; there are black people who are criminals and worthless layabouts. (they have civil rights too, BTW) Does that make all of them so? I like to think that the scumbags in most groups are in the minority. Or perhaps we're not talking about the same incident.

Fine people don't look at a Nazi skinhead parade and say "hey this is just about a statue, we're on the same side here, guess I'll march along." The fine people on that side went home early.

 

[zxcvbob]

Wow, you are really going to try and die on the hill that not all of the people marching alongside the hakenkreuz and SS rune flags were Nazis.
I mean, that is certainly a stance one can take.


You mean the night-time tiki torch marchers protesting the removal of the statue while shouting "The Jews will not replace us"?

I think it's fair to call those guys Nazis. Or Nazi wannabes, which is just as bad. I'm reading up on Charlottesville now in case I'm misinformed. I can think of lots of reasons to protest the tearing down of Confederate statues besides being a Nazi; like I said, I'm looking into it. I seriously doubt everyone there was a Nazi or Antifa.

 

[Estebonrober]

Because he's military, and the military (and for the most part their families) don't speak ill or disrespectfully of a sitting president -- even if they don't like him. That things got so bad that he had to speak out against his personal code of ethics is a big deal. My wife was raised in a military family, and she scolds me all the time when I say "Trump" or said "Obama"; it's President Trump and was President Obama. ("Mr" is probably okay) She says she has to scold herself too, especially regarding Mr. Trump.

Also, Trump never called Nazis fine people. I think he said there were some fine people at the Charlottesville protest, and perhaps *you* called them all Nazis; painting them with the widest brush possible, because you're the bigot. (no offense)

Nice hot take on the reverse bigot charge! such win

 

[caketastydelish]

I think it's fair to call those guys Nazis. Or Nazi wannabes, which is just as bad. I'm reading up on Charlottesville now in case I'm misinformed. I can think of lots of reasons to protest the tearing down of Confederate statues besides being a Nazi; like I said, I'm looking into it. I seriously doubt everyone there was a Nazi or Antifa.

Did you actually watch the documentary?

 

[Estebonrober]

I think it's fair to call those guys Nazis. Or Nazi wannabes, which is just as bad. I'm reading up on Charlottesville now in case I'm misinformed. I can think of lots of reasons to protest the tearing down of Confederate statues besides being a Nazi; like I said, I'm looking into it. I seriously doubt everyone there was a Nazi or Antifa.

There is no reason confederate soldiers of any type deserve places of honor in America. "The Land of the Free".Seeing as June the Nineteenth is around the corner I think you should get more knowledge on the topic soon.

https://www.juneteenth.com/history.htm

 

[Estebonrober]

Wapo did a study of police killings, more black people (armed and unarmed) were killed under Obama while about 1,000 people of all races are killed each year. In 2019, 236 black people were killed by cops, only 10 (9 men, 1 woman) were unarmed and most of the 10 cases involved other forms of assault. In 2015 the number of unarmed black fatalities was 38, last year was the safest for unarmed white and black people.



He voted against the 1st Gulf War, voted for the 2nd (so did she), and I haven't been able to confirm this yet but apparently advised against Libya and Syria. She supported or engineered both.



Because white people are racists



I dont think you'd be jailed for standing around while a cop choked someone to death.

There is no law requiring a citizen to put themselves at risk attempting to prevent a crime. Nor is there any law requiring a citizen to report a crime to law enforcement or assist law enforcement in any way. Any cooperation is voluntary.

What law may apply to these cops I have no idea.

I was specifically meaning the cops involved in this murder. All four of them should have been arraigned that day and held until charges were decided.

 

[zxcvbob]

Did you actually watch the documentary?

I'm watching it now. About 5 or 6 minutes into it.

 

[caketastydelish]

I'm watching it now. About 5 or 6 minutes into it.

Btw I messed up with the link, it was supposed to start from the beginning, not the 14th minute. My fault.

 

[ulyssesSgrant]

Can someone educate me on the reforms we pushing for here?

First, justice for Floyd seems underway.

Next we got the police generally, someone suggested firing the entire MSP police department, pretty dumb idea on a number of levels, including guilty by association and the fact that there are already national shortages of police, and we do need them for civilization. Holding cops more accountable for crimes is good, better training is obviously good, doesn't address the shortages problem though. Higher pay? That's not going to go over well. Holding them accountable for brutality instances, kind of covered that already, I support that as well as holding everyone committing violent crimes accountable too, if possible. The videos of what the police as well as many of the looters and arsonists have done is crazy sad. Seeing people's livelihood and life's word destroyed is sad.

We have the racism issue. IMO statistics don't really show systemic racism by cops from what I've seen, feel free to show me the data that demonstrates I'm wrong. Obviously cops are racist, everyone is racist. You're racist, too. How do we solve racism? Big question, people need to be less hateful and more loving probably. Education, maybe, might help, idk maybe not though.

Even if racism ended today we still have a lot of problems. I know I'm not supposed to say this but racism isn't the only challenge black people and other minorities are facing today. How do we actually make the world a better place for these communities? I mean I care about poor white communities and figured we could help them to with these reforms.

Just throwing out some thoughts I'm having but please let me know all the reforms you would make, relating to these protests.

Thanks, have a nice day.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I was specifically meaning the cops involved in this murder. All four of them should have been arraigned that day and held until charges were decided.

You can't arrest people and then figure out charges. Even cops.

 

[Estebonrober]

You can't arrest people and then figure out charges. Even cops.

Um you get arrested and go to jail, then formal charges are made, you can post bail, but that is the order of operations is it not? Somehow I think we are talking past each other, maybe my terminology is wrong I'm not a lawyer lol.

 

[Estebonrober]

Can someone educate me on the reforms we pushing for here?

First, justice for Floyd seems underway.

Next we got the police generally, someone suggested firing the entire MSP police department, pretty dumb idea on a number of levels, including guilty by association and the fact that there are already national shortages of police, and we do need them for civilization. Holding cops more accountable for crimes is good, better training is obviously good, doesn't address the shortages problem though. Higher pay? That's not going to go over well. Holding them accountable for brutality instances, kind of covered that already, I support that as well as holding everyone committing violent crimes accountable too, if possible. The videos of what the police as well as many of the looters and arsonists have done is crazy sad. Seeing people's livelihood and life's word destroyed is sad.

We have the racism issue. IMO statistics don't really show systemic racism by cops from what I've seen, feel free to show me the data that demonstrates I'm wrong. Obviously cops are racist, everyone is racist. You're racist, too. How do we solve racism? Big question, people need to be less hateful and more loving probably. Education, maybe, might help, idk maybe not though.

Even if racism ended today we still have a lot of problems. I know I'm not supposed to say this but racism isn't the only challenge black people and other minorities are facing today. How do we actually make the world a better place for these communities? I mean I care about poor white communities and figured we could help them to with these reforms.

Just throwing out some thoughts I'm having but please let me know all the reforms you would make, relating to these protests.

Thanks, have a nice day.

Can someone slap this troll with some stats I have to get up early. . .night. I'll do it tomorrow when I get time if no one else gets around to it. ffs.

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