[RD] George Floyd and protesting while black

[zxcvbob]

You can't arrest people and then figure out charges. Even cops.

Yes you can, but once you arrest them the clock is ticking. 48 hours, I think? Then you have to charge them or let them go. Pretty sure if they weren't cops they would have been arrested immediately for something like suspicion of manslaughter.

 

[zxcvbob]

Btw I messed up with the link, it was supposed to start from the beginning, not the 14th minute. My fault.

I didn't notice; I watched it from the beginning. Thanks.

I saw Nazi *******s, and various counter-protester *******s, and not many fine people on either side. The Nazis at least had permits. I doubt the HBO video was representative of all the people there; they had a story to tell and ppl who were neither Nazis nor anti-Nazi protesters wouldn't fit. However, I think it's a fair point that anyone there just to protest the removal of the statues (Daughter of the Confederacy, perhaps?) probably left early when they saw what was happening, or at least should have if they weren't stupid.

I still don't think you can call everyone there a Nazi, but maybe it wasn't as outrageous as I thought.

 

[H4run]

Brown - asians, arabs, greeks, gypsies, italians, native americans, persians, spanish/portuguese?

Actually I was joking and against such categorization, but because it used by the society I have no other choice but to comply, now regarding your list, right, we may say that you are right except for Greek, Italian, Spanish/Portuguese classified as white (perhaps!?) while Native American as red. Don't ask me why because I thought such classification also bit off if not silly. I actually make a special thread for that you may check it in my profile.

 

[Berzerker]

@Bezerker I would have had them burn down and loot stores from corporations (regardless of color of the ceos) rather than small businesses, even the white ones.

I'd rather they not burn or loot stores. I saw an interview with an older woman crying her eyes out, she lost her job and with the buses not running she cant get her medicine because the pharmacy was destroyed.

Wow, Mattis only just felt like saying this *checks calendar* over two year since Trump was already calling Nazis very fine people

“I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.”

“Racism is evil, and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.”

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/a...neo-nazis_fine_people_heres_proof_139815.html

I didn't notice; I watched it from the beginning. Thanks.

I saw Nazi *******s, and various counter-protester *******s, and not many fine people on either side. The Nazis at least had permits. I doubt the HBO video was representative of all the people there; they had a story to tell and ppl who were neither Nazis nor anti-Nazi protesters wouldn't fit. However, I think it's a fair point that anyone there just to protest the removal of the statues (Daughter of the Confederacy, perhaps?) probably left early when they saw what was happening, or at least should have if they weren't stupid.

I still don't think you can call everyone there a Nazi, but maybe it wasn't as outrageous as I thought.

The permit broke down the various groups, the neo-Nazis didn't go by that name but numbered maybe 20-25% of the total and they had their own parade with tiki torches the night before. Most were confederate groups (including the KKK), militia and constitutionalists. The latter 2 were more than half.

 

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[Arwon]

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Um you get arrested and go to jail, then formal charges are made, you can post bail, but that is the order of operations is it not? Somehow I think we are talking past each other, maybe my terminology is wrong I'm not a lawyer lol.

Depends. If cops are investigating a crime and have reason to believe you are a suspect in that crime they can detain you*.

In this case there was no immediate statement that a crime had been committed. Yes, someone died. There were initially a number of possible theories about that death and murder was only one of those theories. Without a firm determination that a crime has actually been committed there can be questioning, and securing the scene, and investigation into the circumstances, but you can't actually arrest people.

The cops could have been detained for three days without being charged, but that would have been pretty pointless. No way that only three days was gonna produce charges of "killer cops." In this case the only real question going in was "is it a crime?" There was no question about who did what. Immediate detaining would be like claiming "we are gonna sort out in three days or less that a crime has been committed" and in a politically sensitive case that would be a massive over reach.



*This is why if a cop says anything to you, even "excuse me" your immediate response should be to move your hands away from your body and start backing away. If he makes any suggestion that you do anything other than leave, ie "I just want to talk to you," or "I just have a question," or asks any kind of question the response is "what crime are you investigating and what are your reasons for suspecting me of that crime?" If he says "there was a crime X and there was a report that the suspect headed this way wearing a C colored jacket like you are wearing" then the next (and final) words are "good, please contact my attorney." In almost all cases there will be some fumbled "I just want to ask you..." or "why are you being so..." type nonsense, and the next words to that are "so you have no grounds for detaining me then...okay, bye now, have a great day." Keep hands away from body and get to steppin'.

Make sure all of that is as loud as you can make it.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Yes you can, but once you arrest them the clock is ticking. 48 hours, I think? Then you have to charge them or let them go. Pretty sure if they weren't cops they would have been arrested immediately for something like suspicion of manslaughter.

Technically that's detained, not arrested. And you can't arrest people for "suspicion of manslaughter" when there's no manslaughter as yet determined to have happened. You can detain them during the investigation for 72 hours, but again you have to be somewhat confident that there was a crime and you will get it sorted out in that 72 hours.

 

[r16]

kirk Douglas version of Spartacus on some channel months back , where the woman he loves is given to others in front of him and all that . And the Romans would write it down that the Crixus fixation on looting stalled Spartacus and his design to march across ltaly to freedom , with his army of liberated slaves increasing with each step north . Yes , it also changed Rome , from a Republic of equal criminal senators into an empire where the less equal criminal senators still called the shots . lf stupid Spartacus could run a one man job , much better could Julius Ceasar . You would be 100% sure to imagine it is in the books to divide subject peoples into as many as diverse groups . Not to respect their individual value as persons , but to create a basis of remote controlled antagonism . Whenever and wherever "necessary" . Yes , the 21st Century TV series Spartacus would also show how many people would be taking advantage , like because it is "brave" ...

accordingly Hispanic gangs naturally have a control on what constitutes "manhood" in their areas of the city just as Black gangs have in theirs , they can be bought at will . Much like the Rodney King riots all of a sudden became Blacks looting Korean owned shops . Because the concept of the "other" requires the chosen other must be perpetually kept under , because it would interfere with notion that the chosen people are on top , because they are the best , while the others are animals . So that lazy Blacks were jealous of the hard working Koreans , who could work hard because they could get permits and whatever to open up shops and stuff because Washington knew its Korea would one day become a more profitable place but needed to export some of its people to ease tensions , and families would sent some earnings to start up in America and the American branch would sent back , a flow of capital the equally hard working Blacks could not have . Not least because Black gangs would demand their percentage too . Yet another need to be aware of stuff . lf there is unjustice to be fixed in the world , there are enough Spacemarine battalions to escort "advisors" to fix it on the ground , by keeping people who can be bought away so that good people can then fix it , on their own . Murders will be bought to criminalize the rightful issues of Blacks in America , because America has been doing that abroad for ages . Will not oppose , not ever of course , if peaceful protest was kept up , otherwise it is as self served wound to loot or justify that as pent up rage , especially when it is also true that there is real pent up rage .

 

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Shocking photo of looters destroying private property.

Spoiler spoiler :

 

[Arwon]

Just the joint chiefs reminding the hierarchy about obeying lawful orders and upholding the constitutional values of equal treatment and free speech and assembly. No biggie.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

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Just the joint chiefs reminding the hierarchy about obeying lawful orders and upholding the constitutional values of equal treatment and free speech and assembly. No biggie.

Where'd you catch that?

 

[AmazonQueen]

I think it's fair to call those guys Nazis. Or Nazi wannabes, which is just as bad. I'm reading up on Charlottesville now in case I'm misinformed. I can think of lots of reasons to protest the tearing down of Confederate statues besides being a Nazi; like I said, I'm looking into it. I seriously doubt everyone there was a Nazi or Antifa.

Calling them Confederate or Civil War statues isn't totally accurate. The statues were erected in 1924 during the Jim Crow era.

 

[Arwon]

Where'd you catch that?

Official Twitter - https://twitter.com/thejointstaff/status/1268239884013142017?s=19

Has a linked PDF too

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Official Twitter - https://twitter.com/thejointstaff/status/1268239884013142017?s=19

Has a linked PDF too

Wow. Trump has to be apoplectic.

Maybe he'll stroke out...

 

[Naktis]

DEFUND POLICE!!

well things going crazy in USA, I wonder do you guys really want mob to replace police ?
ahhh so sad that Im not in USA, could get so much free stuff

 

[caketastydelish]

Are you serious? America's welfare state is pretty small compared to most other developed countries. Particularly our healthcare system.

 

[r16]

ı could work around if this was a computer but damned tablet and its ways of web can be limiting . But if there is any picture above showing good old American Policefolk on serve and protect , well , they have no morals and they outgun and outnumber people , with the easy and obvious of gap of experience of provoking trouble much in favour . Do not read much into Army memo , back in Gezi Events the now dead Turkish Military issued essentially the same statement and in the Disgrace of July 15th they would have found no difficulty in finding and lazing the house ı live , for a 500 pound class LGB . Has a metal roof , also lies on the same direction with a runway of the nearby airfield . lt means they are la-la-la Brother in Arms and will uphold the Constitution when the situation presents itself to kill people .

 

[Gorbles]

Police shooting tear gas at a random dude in his car (with his pregnant wife). Dude gets out to yell at them, police rain more down on them. Not sure where the video is from, but it's undeniably real.

 

[cardgame]

pepper spray paintballs but yeah