[RD] George Floyd and protesting while black

[Zardnaar]

The term annoys people though as it makes some large assumptions.

I grew up in a small town with very few minorities and our cops are a bit different. Unarmed also helps.

I did get a dec by education but that's available to everyone. Black, white, brown, rich, poor you all went to the same/only school.

I did live over the road from a Maori family and the cops were a bit what's going on here. They were dealing drugs though and everyone knew it.

If the 4 kids the two that left town did well, the two dealing the drugs not so much.

Not perfect here but we don't have that ingrained treat each other like crap mentality.

 

[rah]

Yet again you refuse to answer the questions that would explain your position.

No, you refuse to listen when I try to. I've said that a black disadvantage is a more accurate description. I've said I don't like it because it insinuates that all my accomplishments were not really accomplishments but just privileged. I've said that I think the term is meant to insult and divide. I've said that people get to determine for themselves what they find offensive.
What part of those are not answers?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

No, you refuse to listen when I try to. I've said that a black disadvantage is a more accurate description. I've said I don't like it because it insinuates that all my accomplishments were not really accomplishments but just privileged. I've said that I think the term is meant to insult and divide. I've said that people get to determine for themselves what they find offensive.
What part of those are not answers?

It insinuates nothing, it is just a statement of fact that applies to you, me, and an enormous amount of people.

It is not meant that way in every case, and almost certainly not meant that way when said here regarding you or me.

You do get to determine what you find offensive, but you don't get to assume someone else's motive was to offend.

 

[rah]

You do get to determine what you find offensive, but you don't get to assume someone else's motive was to offend.

Yeah, I'll give you that, but even you have to admit that it has been used to be offensive. I should consider the source always first.

 

[PPQ_Purple]

No you don't. The only choice you have is whether or not you speak up about it or let it fester.

Yes, you absolutely do. How you feel about something is absolutely a thing you can change about your self if you want to. It is a choice.

That is why the whole offense pandemic that has been sweeping the world in recent decades is so .. well offensive. Instead of realizing the problem is with them and deciding to get over it people are screaming from the rooftops demanding that everyone else around them change so as to not hurt their feelings.

 

[Anysense]

What percent of white men feel privileged compared to, say, Barack Obama?

 

[rah]

I think it's human nature to prefer to claim any earned reward is based on ability so the percentage is probably lower than you'd think.

I'll bet even Trump believe he has earned everything in his life.

 

[Syno]

No, you refuse to listen when I try to. I've said that a black disadvantage is a more accurate description. I've said I don't like it because it insinuates that all my accomplishments were not really accomplishments but just privileged. I've said that I think the term is meant to insult and divide. I've said that people get to determine for themselves what they find offensive.
What part of those are not answers?

Why are those blacks disadvantaged?

But: That insinuation is something you've come up with yourself. I don't see how having advantages means your accomplishments cease to exist. You had fewer existential obstacles on the way to your accomplishments than most minorities; privilege isn't a concept of individualism but instead an average. There are black people who had an easier go of it than you did, but on average, and as a general expectation, black people are likelier to face obstacles you could never simply because of their being black. As mentioned, this doesn't mean you didn't or couldn't struggle, it just means that your struggle could never have the unique obstacles facing an individual who lives in a society seemingly designed with their specific misfortune in mind.

Insult and divide... Well, how? We've been divided all this time. What is it about the term "white privilege" that specifically upholds this? Doesn't recognizing inequality, and the origins behind it, allow us to take action to fix the problem? If we recognize that white people have advantages that minorities don't, and we are able to pinpoint exactly how, can't we then institute policies that bring minorities up to the privilege whites enjoy? Differently, how is this process changed by switching "white privilege" for "minority disadvantage," since the two are so directly intertwined?

 

[Gorbles]

No, you refuse to listen when I try to. I've said that a black disadvantage is a more accurate description. I've said I don't like it because it insinuates that all my accomplishments were not really accomplishments but just privileged. I've said that I think the term is meant to insult and divide. I've said that people get to determine for themselves what they find offensive.
What part of those are not answers?

Except that this is an (unfortunate) reality. It's not quite as clear-cut as you're making it. It's not "either they've disadvantaged" or "everything I've done means nothing" - they're factors in determining the outcome of various points in anyone's life. For example, I haven't always benefitted from white privilege in the workplace, but I most undoubtably have. I could be as good as a Muslim coworker, they could be as good, as polite, and as professional as me . . . and I could come out looking better despite us putting in an equal level of competence. That's my privilege. Especially given how performance-driven the job market is these days. It directly correlates with my ability to progress.

What's the alternative? Pretending that real-life racism has had no impact on job progression? As a white dude, you will have benefitted from being a white dude. That's the privilege aspect. It's not just that minorities are disadvantaged. It's that we also benefit in turn from those disadvantages given a historically-competitive job market (especially for those who end up well enough off).

If everything in life and history was as it should be, and there was no racism, sexism, or discrimination in general, various points in your life would not have worked out as beneficially as they have. That's privilege. The immunity granted by being in the "in" group (in terms of race, class, gender, you name it).

That's why intersectionality is important (aimed at the thread, not you). Because people can be targeted for their class, and / or their class, and / or their gender (and / or anything else). And people suffering in one area by default (i.e. not because of their efforts, or lack thereof) may not in another. And vice versa.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Yeah, I'll give you that, but even you have to admit that it has been used to be offensive. I should consider the source always first.

Yes. The source, and the overall relationship to the source. The thing that the roaming trolls can't wrap their heads around is that we are a community here. We aren't all the same, and we don't agree with everyone on everything, but that doesn't change.

 

[rah]

Why are those blacks disadvantaged?

Are you actually trying to claim that blacks aren't disadvantaged? That they are seems to be the one thing we all seem to agree upon.

And those accomplishments don't have to cease to exist. Any diminishing can be a negative.


And the fact that white is in the title should be a clue on the intent of it.
And I have agree that the final result of both is the same. I just don't like the term and wish there was a different one.

And Gorbles, I've haven't benefited because I was white, I was not disadvantaged because I wasn't black. It all depends on how you look at it.

 

[Syno]

Are you actually trying to claim that blacks aren't disadvantaged? That they are seems to be the one thing we all seem to agree upon.

Dunno how that's the meaning you got from my post, but I was trying to trick you into saying black people are disadvantaged because of white people.

 

[rah]

I put an imaginary comma after the why. Opps.
If they are disadvantaged, shouldn't the term reflect that.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

What percent of white men feel privileged compared to, say, Barack Obama?

Me. Circumstances of my childhood were clearly superior to his.

 

[rah]

Not going to judge his since I don't know all the details.
But since my parents stayed together their entire lives, I figure mine was probably better.

 

[Anysense]

Doesn't recognizing inequality, and the origins behind it, allow us to take action to fix the problem?

No. That would require forceful redistribution of about 90% of wealth in the country to begin with. Besides, the whole white privilege is utter nonsense. It simply does not exist. It so happened that black people in US have less money and hold lower positions on social ladder. It is also happened that my family was about as disadvantaged as average black family in US. So, why can't I demand justice and equality? Is it black privilege to demand such things?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Not going to judge his since I don't know all the details.
But since my parents stayed together their entire lives, I figure mine was probably better.

That's basically my assumption. I also think California was probably providing overall better services than Hawaii in the sixties.

 

[Senethro]

No. That would require forceful redistribution of about 90% of wealth in the country to begin with.

I have the funny feeling that despite the rest of your post, you're against this?

Besides, the whole white privilege is utter nonsense. It simply does not exist. It so happened that black people in US have less money and hold lower positions on social ladder.

lol so close

It is also happened that my family was about as disadvantaged as average black family in US. So, why can't I demand justice and equality?

what, like wealth redistribution?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Besides, the whole white privilege is utter nonsense.

Can you provide your motives here so I can decide how to respond to this sentence?

 

[Syno]

No. That would require forceful redistribution of about 90% of wealth in the country to begin with. Besides, the whole white privilege is utter nonsense. It simply does not exist. It so happened that black people in US have less money and hold lower positions on social ladder.

Uh...

It is also happened that my family was about as disadvantaged as average black family in US. So, why can't I demand justice and equality? Is it black privilege to demand such things?

There's an exception to every rule. Earlier on this page I mentioned that privilege is largely an average, and that rings true here as well. It is very possible that your personal life, and that of your family's, was truly abysmal. But you still never faced the unique obstacle of being hunted due to the colour of your skin. You will never know the "black plight," because you weren't and aren't black. You'll never be detained because of being black. You'll never have to teach your kids while they're still in diapers to act a certain way and do certain things if the police come... because they're black. You will never have your application thrown out because of having a "black name." You will never... See where I'm going with this? Your life could be genuine garbage, but still you will never have the obstacles faced by someone is black. Because you aren't black. You have... wait for it... white privilege.