[RD] George Floyd and protesting while black

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Full-blown unrest in America right now...I have never seen an American President so weak and lacking leadership skills in my lifetime before...Wow, just wow...I mean, tear gassing your own people so you can get a picture outside of a church??
 
I'm not sure it's a total slam dunk that US military deployed with orders to keep peace and prevent violence in US cities automatically sides with the cops
 
Trump is hypocritical. I actually do agree with his "the far left-wing snowflakes need their own safe spaces where different ideas aren't allowed" criticism but as soon someone else expresses different opinions than his he hides in his bunker like an actual baby. I have never seen anyone quite like this in the regard that they can absolutely dish it out, yet not take it even a bit.

He talks so tough, like a domineering badass, but as soon as things are not absolutely guaranteed to go his way he gets scared and tries to hide. He is, in some ways, even worse than his left-wing equivalents that he criticizes for doing the same things he does.
 
Kaepernick was right to protest police brutality...But Americans find that protesting during the National Anthem is Hollier than though and people kneeling should be labeled as "traitors"....
 
Trump is hypocritical. I actually do agree with his "the far left-wing snowflakes need their own safe spaces where different ideas aren't allowed" criticism but as soon someone else expresses different opinions than his he hides in his bunker like an actual baby. I have never seen anyone quite like this in the regard that they can absolutely dish it out, yet not take it even a bit.

He talks so tough, like a domineering badass, but as soon as things are not absolutely guaranteed to go his way he gets scared and tries to hide. He is, in some ways, even worse than his left-wing equivalents that he criticizes for doing the same things he does.
Trump has absolutely no idea how to run the country...He's a danger to the entire free world...
 
Kaepernick was right to protest police brutality...But Americans find that protesting during the National Anthem is Hollier than though and people kneeling should be labeled as "traitors"....

Some Americans do, not all.
 
It couldn't happen here, wrt ice detention centers:

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Not even one step away from Immigrant death camps.
 
Just saw video of a guy run over 2 cops with an SUV

cops keep escalating more and more they're gonna start taking casualties

hearsay is that both are in hospital and going to live, driver in custody
 
One perspective I've just considered is that the Trump administration might do America good in the long run. Hillary would not have made people this angry, and people being angry (specifically in this regard) is a good thing.

Commodore thinks an actual revolution could take place, and honestly, I hope he's right. The kind of change that needs to happen to this country is something that is going to take, at a bare minimum, the amount of unrest we've had so far. The police have to fear the general public for once, and that people will start fighting back. Honestly, Bernie Sanders could run as an independent, in this atmosphere, and I am curious how well he'd do.

There needs to be a strong backlash against the systemic injustices in this country, and Hillary probably wouldn't have enabled that. I have never in my 28 years of life seen my country, as a whole, be at this level. It is uncomfortable for now, but I faithful that by the time all is said and done, the country will be better off for it. The LA riots that happened in 92, I was only 1 years old then so obviously I didn't remember.

But based on what research I've done, the riots there were exclusive to LA. This is everywhere in the country, not just Minneapolis. And I would consider that to be a very good thing.

That the current system has not only made minorities angry, as they rightfully should, but that even people like Commodore (white, and ex-military, at that) just goes to show how much potential this could have. People are actually starting to fight back. Absolutely beautiful.

The police being brutal to journalists? All the better. Especially when it's done to an international journalist. Which makes this movement not just in the US, but all over the globe, potentially.

being brutal to journalists is a great way for that news agency to give you or your institution/company bad coverage.
 
Military maps site I sometimes use to watch Syria and Libya developments, added USA and California tabs.
Having actually lived through anti-government terrorism and actual violent overthrowing of governments I'd definitely not recommend it. You need a Gandhi or a post-imprisonment Mandela.
Having lived through relatively peaceful collapse of the state, I wouldn't recommend that either.
This is something really new to me, I thought the American have right to armed themselves in order to protect themselves from state oppression. :crazyeye:
This may be the case when declared purpose of law differs from the real one.
 
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My concern is these protests will be counter productive. Either the drive up support for Trump or gives him an excuse to pull a fast one in November.

Protest sure but the violence and looting not so much.
 
Military maps site I sometimes use to watch Syria and Libya developments, added USA and California tabs.

Having lived through relatively peaceful collapse of the state, I wouldn't recommend that either.

This may be the case when declared purpose of law differ from the real one.

How old were you in 1991?

@caketastydelish yeah this happened in 92 I remember those but wasn't around for 68. Well Watching on TV.

Probably around same time I started becoming politically aware.

We had social studies at school which covered things like apartheid, Soviet Union etc. Parents magazines had articles on things like the Berlin Wall, lines in the USSR. Watched gulf war on TV.
 
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My concern is these protests will be counter productive. Either the drive up support for Trump or gives him an excuse to pull a fast one in November.

Protest sure but the violence and looting not so much.

Trump has already reached the point of saturation with the number of people who will support him. His supports are diehard fanatics but aren't particularly great in number. And what is going on is not going to garner up more support for him, but the other way around. If someone is upset and afraid of the violence and rioting going on, then they will elect someone who they think is more likely to put an end to it. If all of this happened under Trumps watch, to begin with, and hasn't done a particularly good job of settling things down, then from that point of view, the alternative candidate will look pretty good by default.
 
Trump has already reached the point of saturation with the number of people who will support him. His supports are diehard fanatics but aren't particularly great in number. And what is going on is not going to garner up more support for him, but the other way around. If someone is upset and afraid of the violence and rioting going on, then they will elect someone who they think is more likely to put an end to it. If all of this happened under Trumps watch, to begin with, and hasn't done a particularly good job of settling things down, then from that point of view, the alternative candidate will look pretty good by default.

Maybe but they'll also buy in on using the troops perhaps.

But yeah cracks seem to be appearing in Trump supporters who aren't complete die hards. Covid, Unemployment, riots.

I've been saying for a while I think Trumps doomed in November but he could use riots as an excuse for martial law or something stupid using the insurrection act.

Outright try and steal the election basically.
 
Just saw video of a guy run over 2 cops with an SUV

cops keep escalating more and more they're gonna start taking casualties

hearsay is that both are in hospital and going to live, driver in custody

Please show us the video.
 
Maybe but they'll also buy in on using the troops perhaps.

But yeah cracks seem to be appearing in Trump supporters who aren't complete die hards. Covid, Unemployment, riots.

I've been saying for a while I think Trumps doomed in November but he could use riots as an excuse for martial law or something stupid using the insurrection act.

Outright try and steal the election basically.
We can trade hypotheticals until the world ends, but I believe cake's core point about there needing to be this anger and these protests is right. Otherwise we'd just keep going along with the status quo, with the police getting away with brutal (and lethal) force, and minorities continuing to suffer.

People (like Trump) using events like this as an excuse? There was always going to be an excuse. It just would've been a different one, in my opinion. At the very least, this one is grounded in a horrific act that has shocked countries around the world. That's good for the people of the US. Less so for Trump.
 
My concern is these protests will be counter productive. Either the drive up support for Trump or gives him an excuse to pull a fast one in November.

Protest sure but the violence and looting not so much.

I'm not convinced they will drive up support like Trump and his cohorts hope especially if they deploy troops to quell the riots.
I keep hearing comparisons to Nixon running on law and order in '68 but Nixon wasn't the incumbent.
Bush Senior was and using troops to quell the LA Riots didn't get him reelected.
There are a lot of differences between now and Bush vs. Clinton but even more between now and '68.

He was already preparing his excuses to try and pull a fast one in November.
 
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