[RD] George Floyd and protesting while black

[Cloud_Strife]

I won't dispute that, but still believe upgrading drastically increases the odds that they'll get off. And I don't want to see that.

I think if the cops aren't at least jailed there will be something akin to country wide race riots where the military will probably be involved.

Imagine la riots but worse and on a countrywide scale

 

[zxcvbob]

The previous charge was a slam dunk. Now I fear they'll get off, unless they can prove there was previous animosity from working at the same place.

The Minnesota ACLU says the 3rd degree murder charges would get thrown out. I thought it fit, but the MN supreme court has previously said it doesn't because the "depraved indifference" was directed at a single person (who then died) rather than to a group of people or the public at large.. I thought I posted a link to that, but maybe it was on another forum. 1st degree is a big stretch and he'd probably be acquitted of that. Don't know about 2nd, ACLU says it fits.

 

[caketastydelish]

I think if the cops aren't at least jailed there will be something akin to country wide race riots where the military will probably be involved.

Imagine la riots but worse and on a countrywide scale

Fortunately, I’m pretty sure almost all the minorities would be on the same this time, as well as a significant percentage of people. Cities in particular generally have more POC than rural areas, so the numbers are almost guaranteed to be on their sides. Even a lot of the white people in cities tend to be more likely to have left wing views.

 

[rah]

In Chicago we're seeing a lot of friction between black and brown.

 

[Lexicus]

So I believe that the protests are at least to some degree responsible for the smashing victory of Janeese Lewis George, whose campaign I did some volunteer work, over incumbent Brandon Todd. Interestingly, Todd was the handpicked successor of current Mayor Muriel Bowser, who also represented Ward 4 before moving on to be Mayor.

 

[rah]

Always good to feel like you contributed.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

Upgraded to second-degree murder and the other three officers are being charged as well now, not just fired.

Better than nothing, but too little, too late. I highly doubt this will be sufficient to quell people's anger and frustration in the streets. Maybe if that's how they handled it, to begin with, but not as it is. It is blatantly obvious that the only reason they are doing anything now is because of pressure and for no other reason.

Dude it happened 9 days ago, and it was already stated that the others would most likely be charged as well. This isn't Judge Dredd or Back to the Future 2, why should final definitive charges be brought within hours for a case like this? Plus it's just an unfalsifiable claim that these charges wouldn't have been brought without mass riots.

 

[caketastydelish]

In Chicago we're seeing a lot of friction between black and brown.

Are you for real? As a brown person who wants to unite with blacks this disappoints me.

 

[rah]

I was surprised also.
I think it was Hispanic gangs protecting Hispanic businesses from groups of mostly black looters. So quite isolated and not widespread.

 

[REDY]

Am I missing something? What is the difference between black and brown?

--ignorant white Czech

 

[rah]

Sometimes brown is used to reference Hispanics.

 

[H4run]

Am I missing something? What is the difference between black and brown?

--ignorant white Czech

Imagine chocolate bar and its different mixture of chocolate and milk. While white people is basically a bar of milk with no chocolate.

 

[caketastydelish]

I was surprised also.
I think it was Hispanic gangs protecting Hispanic businesses from groups of mostly black looters. So quite isolated and not widespread.

Black looters shouldn’t be targeting Hispanic businesses in the first place, they need to be on the same side.

 

[caketastydelish]

I went to stormfront because I’m curious how they are reacting to this and in the middle of checking it out the site went down. The claim is has to do with updates to the server, or maintenance, or something but I suspect a ddos attack.

 

[rah]

Black looters shouldn’t be targeting Hispanic businesses in the first place, they need to be on the same side.

And that was what both sides were stating today.

 

[Estebonrober]

Dude it happened 9 days ago, and it was already stated that the others would most likely be charged as well. This isn't Judge Dredd or Back to the Future 2, why should final definitive charges be brought within hours for a case like this? Plus it's just an unfalsifiable claim that these charges wouldn't have been brought without mass riots.

They should have been in jail the entire time awaiting charges. Like every other citizen would have been. . .

 

[Commodore]

Tactics, maybe. Objectives, no. Ernesto Guevara was a little monster who hated everybody who didn't agree with him (including those who didn't agree with him on hating everybody who didn't agree with him) and went about finding enemies whenever he ran out of the latest batch.

Of course. I was speaking from a military perspective. When it came to asymmetrical warfare, the man was a military genius. His politics certainly leave a lot to be desired though.

@Commodore how much of the military, and the national guard I guess, in particular, is racist? There are more black people in the guard per capita than the percentage of black Americans in the country as a whole so I would imagine it isn't too racist and a lot of them would side with the protestors when push comes to shove. Some of them, anyway. How realistic would this be? Even a significant percentage of the guard differing would be potentially huge.

You don't find very much racism in the active duty military due to the fact that the "one team, one fight" mentality is drilled into you pretty hard. Even less chance of racists in units that have seen combat since it's hard to hate someone for the color of their skin when you just spent a year or so keeping each other alive.

As far as the National Guard goes, it would largely depend on the politics of the state they come from as well as the demographic makeup of the unit. The reason being that the nature of being a part time soldier means a lot of them retain large parts of their civilian identities and don't get fully indoctrinated into the military lifestyle. So there's a lot more wiggle room for someone with racial biases to slip through in the National Guard.

 

[REDY]

Imagine chocolate bar and its different mixture of chocolate and milk. While white people is basically a bar of milk with no chocolate.

Brown - asians, arabs, greeks, gypsies, italians, native americans, persians, spanish/portuguese?

 

[Commodore]

Brown - asians, arabs, greeks, gypsies, italians, native americans, persians, spanish/portuguese?

In the US pretty much anyone who comes from European descent is considered white. For example, on any form that asks for racial identification they have two separate categories for Hispanic: white and non-white/Latino. White Hispanics being ones from Spain and non-white/Latino being Hispanics from Central and South America.

 

[Zkribbler]

I won't dispute that, but still believe upgrading drastically increases the odds that they'll get off. And I don't want to see that.

I understand that the 2nd degree charge is an additional charge, that 3rd degree will remain as a lesser included charge. Am I wrong?