[RD] George Floyd and protesting while black

[yung.carl.jung]

still, it is probably not fair to royally **** all over Berzerker, who might have had completely different intentions compared to what you're reading into it, even if it doesn't seem likely (to you). it is not nice to say that someone is having a mental breakdown, doesn't matter if its r16 or Berzerker or anyone. it's okay to call someone's views vile, but attacking a person is simply uneccessary, especially if their opinions are super attackable.

 

[Kyriakos]

it is not nice to say that someone is having a mental breakdown, doesn't matter if its r16

Would that be the same r16 who thinks he is in a spaceship and constructs all his posts using a word randomizing algorithm to supposedly avoid surveillance by Erdogan whom at the same time he supports?

 

[Bugfatty300]

God you people are disgusting. You're basically having to twist this into a pretzel to form it into something you can be OUTRAGED about.

Man posts that he regards the KKK burning down an empty to church to be an act of violence. And look at what you're replying with...

No.

1. Man made incorrect claim that statue vandalism is a violent crime.
2. Man is proved wrong. Vandalism itself is in fact a property crime.
3. Man suddenly brings up real historic KKK church arson out of nowhere as example of property crime being violent.
4. Other people are confused by this bizarre analogy because obviously KKK church fire bombings are a violent crime, arson, as well as terrorism but statue vandalism is none of those things.
4, Man then makes intention clearer when he states that:

Bugfatty said vandalism is just a property crime, so burning down that black church is not a violent crime according to his logic. Do you agree with him or me?

5. i.e. Man states that if one considers statue vandalism to be a non-violent property crime then they should also give KKK terrorism the same courtesy.
6. Man (with long history on forum of giving sketchy nods at racism) is called out for making an KKK apologist argument.
Edit: Almost forgot: 7. Another man(fred) leaps heroically to man's defense without looking at the greater context.

 

[yung.carl.jung]

Would that be the same r16 who thinks he is in a spaceship and constructs all his posts using a word randomizing algorithm to supposedly avoid surveillance by Erdogan whom at the same time he supports?

not being neurotypical is not the same as having a breakdown. r16 might make some weird or incoherent posts, but that isn't reason enough to brand him as a looney. hell, even I have some mild paranoia sometimes, for good reason. the internet, like nature, is a scary place.

 

[Sommerswerd]

Oh boy. This will be good.

No. It won't

Oh... well if I'd stuck round a few more posts I would have seen the level of dishonesty you're stooping to, so never mind.

Ok​

 

[Hrothbern]

I wouldn't say that water cannons are more humane than tear gas. Both are terrible and will break the crowd, but the water cannon can also kill you if it sends you flying into a wall.

I cannot remember heavy health incidents from water cannons in NL since the 80ies.

They are most of all used with fights between football hooligans and the police. Which happens frequently.
Last time was this weekend when directly after an anti-Corona-lockdown protest footballsupporters of one or more clubs joined.

Perhaps the cannons used here are not as heavy as in Greece ?

 

[Kyriakos]

I cannot remember heavy health incidents from water cannons in NL since the 80ies.

They are most of all used with fights between football hooligans and the police. Which happens frequently.
Last time was this weekend when directly after an anti-Corona-lockdown protest footballsupporters of one or more clubs joined.

Perhaps the cannons used here are not as heavy as in Greece ?

I don't think the greek police uses water cannons at all. They do use tear gas.

 

[Crezth]

I accused the KKK of committing a violent crime by burning down a black church, how is that a defense? Bugfatty said vandalism is just a property crime, so burning down that black church is not a violent crime according to his logic. Do you agree with him or me?

Yeah that’d be a hate crime dude.

 

[Bugfatty300]

Yeah that’d be a hate crime dude.

You fell right into the logic trap. Now you must acknowledge that BLM protesters knocking down statues are also hate crimes.

 

[Crezth]

Don't worry I've got that angle covered. Places of worship and racial and ethnic groups are protected categories, public statues are not. Bada-boom.

In actuality churches are protected by the Church Arson Prevention Act. Burning down churches is found to violate another's First Amendment rights. So it's not even necessary to describe it as a hate crime, although the DoJ does file church burnings as hate crimes too, because the law empirically regards churches as more worthy of protection than statues.

 

[Lexicus]

I agree with what you're saying, but you're being disingenuous about the red herring, or at least who you're blaming for the red herring. Berzerker was replying to comments (as I was earlier) that are putting the blame for all this at Trump's feet, or making claims that a vote for Trump is clearly a vote for continuing with this. You yourself just told the lie to this reasoning, which is also what Berzerker was doing.

No one here has "put the blame for all this at Trump's feet." No one. That is something you made up.

As for "a vote for Trump is clearly a vote for continuing with this"....let me just ask, can you explain in your own words why you believe the largest police unions in the US, including the Fraternal Order of Police and the International Union of Police Associations endorsed Trump back in 2016 and have supported him faithfully ever since?

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Don't worry I've got that angle covered. Places of worship and racial and ethnic groups are protected categories, public statues are not. Bada-boom.

Is this fair game for the topic of the Floyd protest? I had demonstrated protected categories as necessarily arbitrary and fundamental unethical under the premise that "people should be treated equally under the law", but honored the request to go back on topic rather than further defending it there.

because the law empirically regards churches as more worthy of protection than statues.

It's almost as if the implication is that the law empirically regards other protected categories as more worthy of protection using that exactly same logic. Even if the "protected categories" happen to be groups of people.

 

[Seon]

You do realize she’s not saying statues should also be protected category, and is fine with churches being one, right.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

You do realize she’s not saying statues should also be protected category, and is fine with churches being one, right.

Protecting churches and not statues is necessarily arbitrary, especially if we're literally only talking about the property involved.

 

[yung.carl.jung]

that's a neat Nietzsche quote you got in your sig @Seon . Hope you stay around Off Topic

 

[Seon]

Protecting churches and not statues is necessarily arbitrary, especially if we're literally only talking about the property involved.

Mmhmm.

And you understand how trivial and ridiculous this makes you sound, yes?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Protecting churches and not statues is necessarily arbitrary, especially if we're literally only talking about the property involved.

Then it is a really good thing that no one but a complete idiot would be only talking about the property involved, isn't it.

By the way, what exactly are you talking about here?

 

[Senethro]

Is this fair game for the topic of the Floyd protest? I had demonstrated protected categories as necessarily arbitrary and fundamental unethical under the premise that "people should be treated equally under the law", but honored the request to go back on topic rather than further defending it there.

Helpful reminder: In debate its more common that judges or an audience will award positions points, rather than the proponents judging themselves.

 

[aelf]

No. It won't

Ok​

I am disappoint

 

[Samson]

Protecting churches and not statues is necessarily arbitrary, especially if we're literally only talking about the property involved.

But churches frequently have people in them, statues do not. Arson is more like murder than vandalism, because it so frequently ends up as murder.