Tubby Rower
Chronic Slacker
I did spike it up a bit after seeing your post here. Stupidity is fine, but constant dolt-ness should be looked into. 
Get it on...Bang a Gong Diplo thread
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I did spike it up a bit after seeing your post here. Stupidity is fine, but constant dolt-ness should be looked into.
Yes, noticed your EDIT... Much nicer than my first draft...
EDIT: He is still online but obviously not noticing he has not sent the save. Any of your contacts on GONG online Tubby? If they could tell him?
Kickbooti
Ecclesia Militans
Wotan and Tubby, you guys are the best. You definately but the 'B' in 'subtle.'
Remind me to keep you two away from diplomatic bags. You would be trying to fit the horse's head into it ala The Godfather.
I love you guys man
Remind me to keep you two away from diplomatic bags. You would be trying to fit the horse's head into it ala The Godfather.
I love you guys man
From Killercane: (We had every reason in the world to worry about Rick's ability to do it properly...)
EDIT: This was fun news... Do we A: go for Currency ourselves? It is just 3 turns and 300+ gold or B: stop and pray? My vote at this time is to go for Currency and just pary a bit for them to get Construction.
Killercane said:
EDIT: This was fun news... Do we A: go for Currency ourselves? It is just 3 turns and 300+ gold or B: stop and pray? My vote at this time is to go for Currency and just pary a bit for them to get Construction.
ThERat
Deity
I find it pretty outrageous from this guy called Rick...imagine I would take over from Wotan (which I did once only) and simply ignore the instructions...I wouldn't wonder to be thrown out of the team for such an incident...stupid now for us and the rest of their team...why did they let this guy make turnsets? Someone could have checked their saves as well...anyway, I think we should get currency in 3 and hope at least they pop construction
I actually laughed out loud when reading Killercane's PM. Even startled my wife with the reaction, before 7am, sort of instantly making her (and me ) wide awake instead of the normal morning "blur".
Don't be too hard on yourself, the problem when handing over in a MTDG comparing to a SGOTM is that if you play a single turn any deviations from the plans in place are so much more obvious. In a SGOTM they are not as noticible when we look at the next save 10 or so turns later. In the MTDG they are extremely obvious since every turn is saved and uploaded. Not that hand overs are inpossible, it is just a question of giving very detailed descriptions of what is going on everywhere. And that could be a huge undertaking if only doing it for a turn. For longer periods I guess it is worth it but when a single location could be planned to use tiles in a specific pattern exchanging tiles with other locations over several turns with different usage almost each turn, it do put a strain on hand overs.
I have the benefit of being able to control the process since I have played for a long period now. So anyone else playing a turn now would be in a very disadvantaged position and probably mistakes will happen. But that is as much the previous player's responsibility as the new player's. It is simply a question of making a controlled hand over. e.g. I have looked at the save now and Hef's, FP town and a third town is going to switch usage of hills for a turn to make sure we have extra food in Hef's, FP just get 10 spt and 2 fpt, but the third town (NW of FP town) is going for 4 spt for a single turn and 2 fpt but be back at 2 spt and 4 fpt the next two turn to finish the Barracks when it grows to size 3 that turn benefiting from a citizen being placed on aforest on growth and adding the remaining shields needed. That is just one example of the MMing going on...
Don't be too hard on yourself, the problem when handing over in a MTDG comparing to a SGOTM is that if you play a single turn any deviations from the plans in place are so much more obvious. In a SGOTM they are not as noticible when we look at the next save 10 or so turns later. In the MTDG they are extremely obvious since every turn is saved and uploaded. Not that hand overs are inpossible, it is just a question of giving very detailed descriptions of what is going on everywhere. And that could be a huge undertaking if only doing it for a turn. For longer periods I guess it is worth it but when a single location could be planned to use tiles in a specific pattern exchanging tiles with other locations over several turns with different usage almost each turn, it do put a strain on hand overs.
I have the benefit of being able to control the process since I have played for a long period now. So anyone else playing a turn now would be in a very disadvantaged position and probably mistakes will happen. But that is as much the previous player's responsibility as the new player's. It is simply a question of making a controlled hand over. e.g. I have looked at the save now and Hef's, FP town and a third town is going to switch usage of hills for a turn to make sure we have extra food in Hef's, FP just get 10 spt and 2 fpt, but the third town (NW of FP town) is going for 4 spt for a single turn and 2 fpt but be back at 2 spt and 4 fpt the next two turn to finish the Barracks when it grows to size 3 that turn benefiting from a citizen being placed on aforest on growth and adding the remaining shields needed. That is just one example of the MMing going on...
Robi D
Minister of (Dis)Order
Having had experience playing with rick i can say he is a tool.
He may well be a good player but he doesn't seem to grasp the concept of TEAM play and doing things as the TEAM wants to do. He tends to go off and do his own thing regardless.
He may well be a good player but he doesn't seem to grasp the concept of TEAM play and doing things as the TEAM wants to do. He tends to go off and do his own thing regardless.
Tubby Rower
Chronic Slacker
meh... screw Gong go ahead and go for Currency. That was going to be the second tech that they got anyway correct.
If they do get Construction, then we could gift Currency and possible get a more expensive tech. (I think Monarchy is next). Monarchy wouldn't be too bad. we might need it if things turn sour in the field.
If they do get Construction, then we could gift Currency and possible get a more expensive tech. (I think Monarchy is next). Monarchy wouldn't be too bad. we might need it if things turn sour in the field.
OK, have uploaded the turn now. Nothing much to report. Two settlers finishing next turn. Time to fill the open spaces on our own island now I guess. Currency in three.
Our Diplomats; please make sure we tell GONG about this so they do not go for Currency. they are already in Monarchy so if anything else than Currency is open it would be Republic. If they pop the GH in two turns time and get Currency we could still get it and at least save one turn on the first MA tech. What annoys me now is they might cost us 3 turns (and 300+ beakers) of research on an MA tech if they get both remaining techs.
BTW, should we trade republic to them, if we want Monarchy it could be an idea?
Our Diplomats; please make sure we tell GONG about this so they do not go for Currency. they are already in Monarchy so if anything else than Currency is open it would be Republic. If they pop the GH in two turns time and get Currency we could still get it and at least save one turn on the first MA tech. What annoys me now is they might cost us 3 turns (and 300+ beakers) of research on an MA tech if they get both remaining techs.
BTW, should we trade republic to them, if we want Monarchy it could be an idea?
Being slapped around about slow turns in the PBEMs got me interested in the game again, so...
When I looked at the save, it looked to me like GONG got construction but didn't send it to us. Don't know if there is a technical issue with sending it on the same turn as received like there is in Civ4, or if CA2 shows the tech they will have beginning of next turn.
What about trading something with SABER, before killing them? I think I saw that they have currency and don't have several fairly innocuous techs that we do have.
When I looked at the save, it looked to me like GONG got construction but didn't send it to us. Don't know if there is a technical issue with sending it on the same turn as received like there is in Civ4, or if CA2 shows the tech they will have beginning of next turn.
What about trading something with SABER, before killing them? I think I saw that they have currency and don't have several fairly innocuous techs that we do have.
Can't be that they have Construction, the research cost is the same this turn as it would have been last turn; 450 beakers. It suggest three teams have it though but that would be SABER/FREE/Council. GONG recieved Math last turn so they could not be one of them.
BTW, how can you see what comeone else have? My CA2 does not show any other teams assets and it also miscalculate the tech costs.
I would not trade with SABER even if we would save 200 beakers or so on Currency. We just don't want to help them get nearer MA. It is still 15+ turns until we attack and they miss roughly 4 techs to reach it. They shoudl be able to run at 4 turns per tech so it is a close call even if we do not trade. If we do they will definitely be in MA well ahead of us landing and we simply can't afford to help them. If they reach it, let's pray they do not recieve Feudalism...
BTW, how can you see what comeone else have? My CA2 does not show any other teams assets and it also miscalculate the tech costs.
I would not trade with SABER even if we would save 200 beakers or so on Currency. We just don't want to help them get nearer MA. It is still 15+ turns until we attack and they miss roughly 4 techs to reach it. They shoudl be able to run at 4 turns per tech so it is a close call even if we do not trade. If we do they will definitely be in MA well ahead of us landing and we simply can't afford to help them. If they reach it, let's pray they do not recieve Feudalism...
Sorry I missed all the fireworks but I was out of town yesterday and part of today. I think we should go for currency since I'd rather leave Saber in the dust. I'm glad GONG came to their senses...Killercane was the right turnplayer for them from the beginning.
Here's for everyone's amusement.
[/QUOTE]Wotan said:thanks for the info jb, got a PM from Killer earlier today. Really surprised Rick was so "less than bright" moving a couple of Settlers seems to be an easy task... But I feel confident you will sort things out quickly with a player like Killer at the helm. For your info we will have currency in three turns, we were worried Rick would mess things up so fortunately made arrangemenst to be able to quickly finish it if any problems arose. So just make sure we get Construction.jb1964 said:
Wotan
Don't know on the CA2 question, I'll look again tonight.
