Global War On Christ Continues

[Kozmos]

Jeez so much trouble over a david copperfeld of the old age.

 

[Kamilian]

Wouldn't this be a form of religious discrimination, though? I mean a central tenet of Catholicism (Christianity in general, in fact) is that Jesus did exist and He was the savior of mankind. The guy's statement, "I started this lawsuit because I wanted to deal the final blow against the Church" is nothing if not totally biased and personally an attack on the religion.
I mean not requiring prayer in the morning in schools is one thing, because there are non-Catholics attending school, too, so they would feel alienated if they were made to pray something that isn't their religion. But saying that the Church shouldn't preach the Bible is a whole new extreme.

Why not just say "Let's collect all the religious holy books and religious material in the world, and burn it all in one great big bonfire and tell everyone to be atheist".
If you're atheist, fine, be atheist. But don't try to force others to be atheist with you if they don't wish it. This is the main thing that annoys me with the atheists I know personally (a few of my classmates are devoutly - ironic, isn't it - atheist) and they always say that Catholics (yes, they target specifically Catholicism - they don't say "religious orders/organizations" or "all religions") try to force everyone else to accept their belief system and that that's wrong, and yet they constantly try to "convert" me to atheism and force me to denounce my faith. Hypocrisy? I think so.

I think this court case should be dismissed immediately.
Otherwise, the notion of "freedom of religion" in the nations - especially the democratic ones - is false and suppressed.

 

[North King]

Uh...what the hell is a fundalmentalist athiest? I mean, do they try harder to not believe in a god?

There are some. People who refuse to listen to anything of Godly nature even brought up. Drives me about as crazy as religious fundies.

 

[GenMarshall]

Wouldn't this be a form of religious discrimination, though? I mean a central tenet of Catholicism (Christianity in general, in fact) is that Jesus did exist and He was the savior of mankind. The guy's statement, "I started this lawsuit because I wanted to deal the final blow against the Church" is nothing if not totally biased and personally an attack on the religion.

That is what I see it as is kind of an attack on the christian religion in general. Regardless if the denomination is Catholic, Christian Orthodoxy, Protestant, and Restornationists (Mormons & JWs)

I mean not requiring prayer in the morning in schools is one thing, because there are non-Catholics attending school, too, so they would feel alienated if they were made to pray something that isn't their religion.

I think the main reason, though I am not sure, is that there is no prayers in public school is because there are people of other faiths that attend. Its not just Christians who attend, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, etc. also attend public school in the US.

Why not just say "Let's collect all the religious holy books and religious material in the world, and burn it all in one great big bonfire and tell everyone to be atheist".

Isint that what the USSR did? They took over the Russian Orthodox and other churches in the area and converted them to be used only for the benifit of the state and they told the Soviet citizens to be athiests.

If you're atheist, fine, be atheist. But don't try to force others to be atheist with you if they don't wish it. This is the main thing that annoys me with the atheists I know personally (a few of my classmates are devoutly - ironic, isn't it - atheist) and they always say that Catholics (yes, they target specifically Catholicism - they don't say "religious orders/organizations" or "all religions") try to force everyone else to accept their belief system and that that's wrong, and yet they constantly try to "convert" me to atheism and force me to denounce my faith. Hypocrisy? I think so.

I would agree, if youre an athiest, fine but dont try to dent my faith and belief and try to deconvert me into athiesm. And about your classmates saying that modern Catholics are forcing everyone to accept their belief is kind of true, but its not to the excent to the evangical and other protestant churches who want everyone to accept their belief.

 

[Israelite9191]

Wow, I said basically the same thing, in less words and without theology but with legal basis and I am ignored. Ah well, what will be will be.

 

[BasketCase]

Speaking as an atheist: I think Cascioli (the atheist who brought the case to court) should drop it.

 

[aussieboy]

Stupid atheist idiot! He could have done it anywhere, but ITALY?!!! The heartland of the faith he fights? Stupid nutjobs... leave my church the hell alone!!!

 

[Ultima Dragoon]

Stupid atheist idiot! He could have done it anywhere, but ITALY?!!! The heartland of the faith he fights? Stupid nutjobs... leave my church the hell alone!!!

Where better to dismember christianity than it's heartland?

That is what I am wondering, unless Curt is planning to kidnap the Pope .

SHHHHHhhhhh! We don't want them to know the plan!

If you're atheist, fine, be atheist. But don't try to force others to be atheist with you if they don't wish it.

You should be saying that to religious people who go door-knocking trying to convert people, sometimes Atheists, to their "one true" religion of many "one true" religions.

 

[DBear]

Religion, like nature, abhors a vacuum.

If you think life in a Christian country is rough, try living under an Islamic one.

That is Europe's future.

 

[shortguy]

I hardly consider this a part of a "Global War on Christ." Militant atheists are going to make headlines occasionally. No big deal.

 

[Erik Mesoy]

Well, seeing how the judge has repeatedly tried to dismiss the case, I'd say there's still enough sanity left in the country for me not to worry.

(Still) Pretty damn stupid, though.

 

[Mr. Blonde]

Courts should never decide over such matters, this should be left to public discussion. What would a court rule change in this case anyhow

 

[Mark Young]

I dont see what the fuss is all about?

If you believe in Christ as messiah, will you stop believing cause a court in Italy says Jesus wasn't real?

or

If you dont believe in Christ as the Messiah, will you start believing cause a court in Italy says He is real?

I thought the heart of Christianity was that you believe or dont believe based on your experience with meeting him? Why are people letting some arbitrary court decide whether their experiences are real or not?

 

[GenMarshall]

If you believe in Christ as messiah, will you stop believing cause a court in Italy says Jesus wasn't real?

I will still believe and accept Christ as the messiah. No court decision from an athiest complainer will change my mind .

 

[Mark Young]

I will still believe and accept Christ as the messiah. No court decision from an athiest complainer will change my mind .

......

 

[Stapel]

Another sign that some people will not settle until religion has been vanquished from this Earth.

John,

Please inform yourself better .
It is unbelievabele how you (or rather, the article) mix things up here! This is about Christans trying to shut up others!
As they always do .


This trial is not about a dude trying to vanquish Christianity. It is, in the very first place, about a Christian priest trying to seal the mouth of an atheist.
This atheist said to the preist: If you think you can shut me, please prove Jesus existed.
Cascioli (the atheist) has written a book. In this book he tries to prove the non-existance of Christ. In a reaction the priest started to preach the book is false and that people should not buy it.
As such, the priest uses (or abuses, that is what this civil lawsuit is about) his powers to harm mr Cascioli's business (which is writing & selling atheist books .

That is what is going on here, and not the other way around!


Maybe, if the religious apsects are taken out, it is easier to understand.

Imagine you write a book where you claim that using wood as a construction material is dangerous.
Imagine I am a popular TV personality, and in my TV-show, I tell people they should not buy your book, because wood is perfectly safe as a construction material.

In such a case, you have the right to start a civil law suit against me and ask me to prove wood is safe.

 

[Erik Mesoy]

Do you know something I don't, Stapel?

"In my book, 'The Fable of Christ,' I present proof Jesus did not exist as a historic figure. He must now refute this by showing proof of Christ's existence," Cascioli said.

Speaking to Reuters, Righi, 76, sounded frustrated by the case and baffled as to why Cascioli -- who, like him, came from the town of Bagnoregio -- singled him out in his crusade against the Church.

"We're both from Bagnoregio, both of us. We were in seminary together. Then he took a different path and we didn't see each other anymore," Righi said.

"Since I'm a priest, and I write in the parish newspaper, he is now suing me because I 'trick' the people."

Righi claims there is plenty of evidence to support the existence of Jesus, including historical texts.

He also claims that justice is on his side. The judge presiding over the hearing has tried, repeatedly, to dismiss the case -- prompting appeals from Cascioli.

I'd really like to see some of the "proof", given that what I know of "proof" tends to swing the other way, and more importantly:

As such, the priest uses (or abuses, that is what this civil lawsuit is about) his powers to harm mr Cascioli's business

Source, please? Google brings up no results even tangentially related to the original news article, so I'm really curious as to how you know that the priest is abusing his power.

 

[Neonanocyborgasm]

Another sign that some people will not settle until religion has been vanquished from this Earth.

Sounds pretty fringe to me. I've heard this theory (or variations of it) tossed around for years, but never thought it would be taken to court. FYI, the theory has little support among academics, even atheist ones.

 

[Wolfe Tone]

You can say what you want about the merits of the case, but one way or another it will certainly be entertaining

 

[sanabas]

It reads to me that Italy has laws trying to prevent cults from conning gullible people into believing in stuff, in order to protect those gullible people.

And that ths guy is attempting to get christianity labelled as a cult that is conning gullible people.

No chance.


It does bring up one interesting question though, how do you define 'religion' or 'religious belief' for the purpose of any freedom of religion laws?