Go and swipe the bacon yourself.

i dont know what's more sad...

the muslim who refuses to swipe the meat or the customer who is apparently to good to move a package of bacon across a laser and into a bag once.
 
I'm not sure what my stance is on this one

one the one hand, the 1st amendment (and common decency) dictates that people not be forced to do anything against their religion. This actually would apply to me and my beliefs, and has to many in the past.

On the other hand, it's in the job description that they need to swipe the products. If they had a problem with the pork, they should have talked to their employer about it when they first got the job. Those selfsame religious boundaries need to be brought up and any conflicts taken care of at the start.
 
That's even more ridiculous.

The cab companies put up with this without firing anyone? Boo. They need balls.
I think the cab companies certainly should have the legal right to fire them. Unfortunately, they would probably get sued, and would have a good chance of losing if they tried.
 
I think the cab companies certainly should have the legal right to fire them. Unfortunately, they would probably get sued, and would have a good chance of losing if they tried.

Of course they would lose the ACLU and CARE would simply out spend them. Its not worth fighting the good fight when you'll go broke trying.
 
Aren't cabbies "independent operators" who lease there cabs from a company? In this case it would seem completely up to the cabbie who he picks up and who he refuses service.

I think it is different in a super market where they are obviously offering bacon as a purchasable item yet have cashiers who won't sell it to you. Should vegetarians not sell butcher goods because they think that 'meat is murder' or some cashiers refuse food stamps because they don't believe in the wellfare system?

It would seem that when you get a job in a store you implicitly agree to sell the goods of the store in the manner expected of you (ie not asking customers to ring up their own goods)
 
I'm not sure what my stance is on this one

one the one hand, the 1st amendment (and common decency) dictates that people not be forced to do anything against their religion. This actually would apply to me and my beliefs, and has to many in the past.

On the other hand, it's in the job description that they need to swipe the products. If they had a problem with the pork, they should have talked to their employer about it when they first got the job. Those selfsame religious boundaries need to be brought up and any conflicts taken care of at the start.

The First Amendment says:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...

If Target fires someone because she won't perform what's required in the job description, it's not a violation of her First Amendment rights. Target wouldn't be discriminating against Muslims if they fired her. They'd be discriminating against people who didn't do their job. I'd be shocked if they lost a law suit on this. There are too many jobs in this country that include duties that might violate someone's odd religious belief's. No judge or jury in their right mind would set a precedent that allows someone to take a job and then dictate to the employer which parts of the job they're going to perform.

The generous thing to do would be to move her to a different department where she wouldn't have to "handle pork products".
 
This to me is equivalent to the issue you guys had with some Christians refusing to sell "the pill" at pharmacies.

If you are physically able to do the job, but refuse to do it for other reasons, you should be fired.

Obviously.

Apparently the Western fascination with Islams prohibitions against pork will never get old. Who cares about the pork thing? Arent there more important issues between Islam and the West?

Well, if you're not going to be able to sit down with me and have a barbequed pork sandwich, how will we ever be able to have a decent talk about anything else bothering us?

:confused:

;)
 
If it's that big of a deal, they should either get another job, or open a chain of Muslim "halal" grocery stores (I believe halal is the proper term). Or have another cashier swipe the bacon even, but don't make the customer do it, that's stupid.

But do you support their right to do so?
 
I'm not sure what my stance is on this one

one the one hand, the 1st amendment (and common decency) dictates that people not be forced to do anything against their religion. This actually would apply to me and my beliefs, and has to many in the past.
.

Nope! Like ShannonCT said, the 1st amendment offers no such protections (nor do any SOCUS cases that I'm aware of). You'll become very familar with this. Tell your employer you can't work sundays. They don't have to say yes.

I got fired (well, I would have been, if I didnt quit) from a music store in DC for this same reason. We're not supposed to work sundays, I offered to make up the hours, store said no...so I had to quit. I can't bring suit and say they discriminated against Mormons or something.
 
If Target fires someone because she won't perform what's required in the job description, it's not a violation of her First Amendment rights. Target wouldn't be discriminating against Muslims if they fired her. They'd be discriminating against people who didn't do their job. I'd be shocked if they lost a law suit on this. There are too many jobs in this country that include duties that might violate someone's odd religious belief's. No judge or jury in their right mind would set a precedent that allows someone to take a job and then dictate to the employer which parts of the job they're going to perform.

The generous thing to do would be to move her to a different department where she wouldn't have to "handle pork products".

First Amendment of US Constitution said:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...
Emphasis by me.

The First Amendment doesn't even say that Target can't fire someone because of their religion.
 
Nope! Like ShannonCT said, the 1st amendment offers no such protections (nor do any SOCUS cases that I'm aware of). You'll become very familar with this. Tell your employer you can't work sundays. They don't have to say yes.

I got fired (well, I would have been, if I didnt quit) from a music store in DC for this same reason. We're not supposed to work sundays, I offered to make up the hours, store said no...so I had to quit. I can't bring suit and say they discriminated against Mormons or something.

Well no, that's not what I meant to imply (although in reading it, I see the impression is there), and yes, I was thinking of working on Sundays. I just feel it's a "spirit of the law" sort of thing and people shouldn't be forced to do things against their religion so long as they do their best to make up for the shortcomings.

Of course, if someone finds that these restrictions make keeping the person not worth it economically, then fine. It is their perogative.

Hence my indicisiveness
 
Well no, that's not what I meant to imply (although in reading it, I see the impression is there), and yes, I was thinking of working on Sundays. I just feel it's a "spirit of the law" sort of thing and people shouldn't be forced to do things against their religion so long as they do their best to make up for the shortcomings.

Of course, if someone finds that these restrictions make keeping the person not worth it economically, then fine. It is their perogative.

Hence my indicisiveness

I think you'll find that if you're a good worker, employers are willing to help you with those sorts of things...although I'm not sure that our avoding working on the sabbath is the same as the case in the OP.

A better analogy might be me working at a resteraunt, and refusing to serve or handle booze. This can become a significant problem in day to day operations...and the employer, in my view, would be justified in firing me.

It should be Target's call I guess.
 
Emphasis by me.

The First Amendment doesn't even say that Target can't fire someone because of their religion.

I believe that's prohibited by EEOC law.

Does anyone know of any scripture in the Koran that prohibits Muslims from handling pork? There are several scriptures that prohibit its consumption, but I can't find any that prohibit its handling.

Here's what some leading Muslims say about Muslims selling pork products to non-Muslims.

Sheikh Faysal Mawlawi, deputy chairman of the European Council for Fatwa and Research, states:
Originally, pork is expressly prohibited in the Holy Qur'an. It is not permissible to sell it, either to Muslims or non-Muslims alike. However, this ruling may be reversed as regards a Muslim living in the West; he may be permitted to sell pork to non-Muslim customers in case of extreme necessity, if the Muslim finds himself or herself forced to sell it lest he’d lose customers and have his business ruined. But while doing this, he must make sure that the profits earned from selling pork are to be kept aside and be distributed among the poor because a Muslim is not permitted to keep unlawful earnings in his possession.

Sheikh Mustafa Az-Zarqa, professor of Jurisprudence at the Syrian Universities, adds:
I find in the Hanafi school a permission for a Muslim who lives among dis-believers to have in his store items such as pork so that he can sell them to non-Muslim customers.

But an extreme caution is needed here, as regards to pork; he should not carry it unless it is canned, as it is impure and its impurity is transmissible through touching by the knife, hands etc.

As a precautionary measure, I think revenues earned from selling pork should be kept in a separate box, and their profits should be calculated and given to poor Muslims as an aid for the weak among them or be spent on the general interests of Muslims; the owner of the store should not take them for himself.”

In the light of the above-mentioned Fatwas, it’s clear that selling pork is never deemed permissible, under any circumstances, either to Muslims or to non-Muslims. However, as we know that Islam does not stipulate rigid rulings or teachings in the sense of making things difficult for its followers, it leaves room to flexibility as regards certain situations that may warrant excuse. Selling pork to non-Muslims in the West falls in this category. But we must stress that this is only under extreme necessities, and necessity must be put within its domain.

So, in other words, the woman can sell packaged pork to non-Muslims if not doing so would cause her great financial hardship. If Target won't transfer her to another department, she has the go-ahead to ring up the bacon.
 
IN malaysia, the muslim use a tong when handling Pork. where else in Singapore, as long as the pork is in a package, they dont really care.
 
If it's really such a big deal has the woman in question considered the use of gloves
 
Morons and their silly beleifs.

I say sack them. Problem solved
 
This is beyond nonsensical. What does this cashier intend to do about other pork products? Get the customer to do her job there, too? And what about all the food products that have pork ingredients or by-products (ie. pet food)? She'd spend all her time reading each label and then refusing to scan it, instead of doing her job.

This cashier needs to be in another line of work that has nothing to do with food.
 
Well, if you're not going to be able to sit down with me and have a barbequed pork sandwich, how will we ever be able to have a decent talk about anything else bothering us?

:confused:

;)
True, and we do have alot of things to discuss with them. Like our new airplanes and airports made entirely from pork byproducts.

I thought this was going to tell me how to get a free breakfast.
I thought the thread was posted by Jean Valjean.
 
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