God exists

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I will try to proove here that we NEED to believe in God.

Indeed, people need to do something of their lives, just because they live and that the outcome can be very distant. Would that only be to kill time. So they are trying to do things. Will they be pleased to do these things on the end ? Will they succeed ?

The thing, is that they can't manipulate themselves : to manipulate itself, one have to know itself. However this is technically totally impossible. Why ?

* First off, if you try to know yourself, you will accumulate data about yourself, right ? That data will become a part of yourself. However, in order to know yourself, you should know that data also. Creating some other data. That would should know. Etc... so the quest of self knowledge, is purely infinite therefore never reached.

* When you learn things about yourself, it is unsure about what we will do next. Let's say you have a revelation about yourself. How will you react ? Nothing tells you you will react in the same way you would have react if you wouldn't have had this revelation. So the processus of knowing yourself may change drastically the way you behave. And, I'm talking by experience, you probably will act the opposed way in reaction, as to contradict determinism.

So not only you can't really, technically know yourself round, but you may change your mind in the processus, which is endless, much for your mind.

So, you need top have a *SUPERIOR* entity that guide you. By "superior", I mean an entity that is above you, see you all, and wish the best for you, never defecting.

That's why I'm saying that we need God in order to live correctly.

The question of the existence of God still remain, but hey, if we need God, why wouldn't He exist ? Is something needed necessarily exist ?

If He doesn't, what kind of poor aberations would we be ?
 
I am looking forward to this debate. However you are bit off to the wrong start since "God" is a term which is heavily manipulated and misunderstood. I am quite sure that the transcendent reality we are born out of and which we are unconsciously part of is almost an opposite to what most religions propagate...
 
However you are bit off to the wrong start since "God" is a term which is heavily manipulated and misunderstood. I am quite sure that the transcendent reality we are born out of and which we are unconsciously part of is almost an opposite to what most religions propagate...

Hint : I'm well speaking about God, not about religions. (had to correct myself when typing) I believe in God, but am part of no religion.
 
Hint : I'm well speaking about God, not about religions. (had to correct myself when typing) I believe in God, but am part of no religion.

But poeplez have not much idea of God outside religions... Btw I am not saying religions are totally wrong it just rather that the rationale religious people adopt is quite foreign to materialistic and critically thinking individuals and appears as contrary to their experience...
 
So not only you can't really, technically know yourself round, but you may change your mind in the processus, which is endless, much for your mind.

So, you need top have a *SUPERIOR* entity that guide you. By "superior", I mean an entity that is above you, see you all, and wish the best for you, never defecting.

That's why I'm saying that we need God in order to live correctly.

The question of the existence of God still remain, but hey, if we need God, why wouldn't He exist ? Is something needed necessarily exist ?

If He doesn't, what kind of poor aberations would we be ?

I suggest an alternative:

You need to have an entity that is purely malevolent. Let's dub it "Satan" because why not. You need Satan in order to live correctly, because His existence is showing you the proper direction: Away from Him.
 
I will try to proove here that we NEED to believe in God.
You dont need to believe in God. However you need some kind of faith as such to perpetuate your life. It just our psychological set up. The wise ones then dont feel the need to limit their faith hence some of them believe in God.
 
I will try to proove here that we NEED to believe in God.

Indeed, people need to do something of their lives, just because they live and that the outcome can be very distant. Would that only be to kill time. So they are trying to do things. Will they be pleased to do these things on the end ? Will they succeed ?

The thing, is that they can't manipulate themselves : to manipulate itself, one have to know itself. However this is technically totally impossible. Why ?

* First off, if you try to know yourself, you will accumulate data about yourself, right ? That data will become a part of yourself. However, in order to know yourself, you should know that data also. Creating some other data. That would should know. Etc... so the quest of self knowledge, is purely infinite therefore never reached.

* When you learn things about yourself, it is unsure about what we will do next. Let's say you have a revelation about yourself. How will you react ? Nothing tells you you will react in the same way you would have react if you wouldn't have had this revelation. So the processus of knowing yourself may change drastically the way you behave. And, I'm talking by experience, you probably will act the opposed way in reaction, as to contradict determinism.

So not only you can't really, technically know yourself round, but you may change your mind in the processus, which is endless, much for your mind.

So, you need top have a *SUPERIOR* entity that guide you. By "superior", I mean an entity that is above you, see you all, and wish the best for you, never defecting.

That's why I'm saying that we need God in order to live correctly.

The question of the existence of God still remain, but hey, if we need God, why wouldn't He exist ? Is something needed necessarily exist ?

If He doesn't, what kind of poor aberations would we be ?

Yeah this is pretty much rad.
 
I suggest an alternative:

You need to have an entity that is purely malevolent. Let's dub it "Satan" because why not. You need Satan in order to live correctly, because His existence is showing you the proper direction: Away from Him.
While thats partially true itsnt going to work in absolute terms. Satan as a malevolent/destructive entity cant function outside of frame of the Absolute and if destruction was All there wouldnt be anything to ponder about. Moreso as a matter of rule you cant run forward while looking backward -- you are bound to run astray or break your legs...

I am doing something with my life. Why exactly does a god need to be part of it?

God needs to be part of it (or rather you need God ) simply becouse there is nothing which can exist outside of God no matter if you are mentally aware of the fact or not.
 
If He doesn't, what kind of poor aberations would we be ?
The kind that needs to invent a God in order to give meaning to their lives.

Doing very well here without God, thank you very much. :)

Who needs God when the Elite: Dangerous Demo has just been released?
 
I don't know if I'm following the OP's argument, and I'm probably missing something important, but it sounds kinda like he's arguing that:


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God needs to be part of it (or rather you need God ) simply becouse there is nothing which can exist outside of God no matter if you are mentally aware of the fact or not.

1. How can you possibly know that? Where is the evidence?

2. Assuming a god is real, I none the less exist and live a happy life with out believing in one so why should I start?
 
God needs to be part of it (or rather you need God ) simply becouse there is nothing which can exist outside of God no matter if you are mentally aware of the fact or not.

Which God? The God of the Bible? That guy sounds like kind of a dick.
 
That's always the thing isn't it.

An atheist says: God doesn't exist, and he needs to prove this statement conclusively, if he can't, the statement can be dismissed. The atheist needs to demomstrate the lack of possibility of God existing.
A Theist says: God exists, and the statement needs to be respected because of faith of the theist. The theist can ignore the possibility of God not existing.
 
1. How can you possibly know that? Where is the evidence?
Well what kind of evidence do you want? Religion, science, philosophy all have their own way...

2. Assuming a god is real, I none the less exist and live a happy life with out believing in one so why should I start?
Again God is everything. Your happiness included. For now its enough that you believe in your happiness. There may come a time when you will be forced by circumstances (or spontaneously expand on your own) your faith beyond that which is also natural and fine...

Which God? The God of the Bible? That guy sounds like kind of a dick.
The God of the Bible or any other sripture is just one of many ways to aproach reality which cant be bound by any scripture. Just becouse it doesnt work for you doesnt mean someone else cant profit out of it.
 
2. Yet I exist and live a happy life with out believing in a god so why should I start, even if one does happen to exist?

Perhaps to be a bit less rude?
 
Well what kind of evidence do you want? Religion, science, philosophy all have their own way...

Scientific approach would be preferable as that would be the only one that has a real proven track record of success.

Kaiserguard said:
Perhaps to be a bit less rude?

I'm more polite to entities who demonstrate their existence.
 
Scientific approach would be preferable as that would be the only one that has a real proven track record of success.
Fair enough since you have faith in science. Some time ago Ive read from quantum physic scientist hypothesis that at the beginning of our universe could be something like eternal and infinite Multiverse. Now this cant essentially be any different from what is the sessence of any religion.
 
So, you need top have a *SUPERIOR* entity that guide you. By "superior", I mean an entity that is above you, see you all, and wish the best for you, never defecting.

Of course, Spiderman. He watches over me and gives me advice about life.

He doesn't like being called God though. I think you should stop doing that.
 
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