God's own appointed justicar valiantly fights on

[Wrymouth3]

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2015/04/22/conservatives-call-pre-k-in-public-schools-godless-environment/

While I agree that we need to worry about sexy pictures of Satan being shown to 3-5 year olds, we need to be more concerned about the blood sacrifices being taught to children, especially blood sacrifices to that reptilian in office.

 

[Borachio]

I don't have a clue what direction this thread is meant to take.

I heard today that primary school teachers are having to teach children (5 year olds) how to read emotions. Which apparently they never used to have to.

http://www.parentingscience.com/facial-expressions-for-kids.html

 

[JollyRoger]

This guy should move to Kansas where they are slowly getting rid of all public schools.

 

[warpus]

The letter states, “We are experimenting at great cost to taxpayers with a program that removes our young children from homes and half day religious pre-schools

Wait a second.. what the hell are half day religious pre-schools and why isn't this article about the middle east?

 

[Joecoolyo]

Wait a second.. what the hell are half day religious pre-schools and why isn't this article about the middle east?

You don't have those?

I went to a Jewish pre-school before Kindergarten.

 

[warpus]

Maybe we do, I don't know. I've never heard of them. {googling}

Yeah, I guess we do have a whole catholic school board, but I don't think they do pre-school very extensively if at all. It seems that some Christian groups offer "religious" preschool, but it seems that it is pretty much analogous to our catholic school board - almost indistinguishable in practice from the public school board. Just a guess, though, but.. what the hell are you going to teach a child that age about religion? I doubt it's very religious. I could be completely wrong though.

The concept struck me as incredibly odd just because.. well.. those kids are way too young to understand anything about religion. But I suppose, "get them while they're still young" works with more than just cigarettes after all..

 

[JollyRoger]

I went to a Baptist church day care from ages 3 to 5. The one thing I learned as a 4 year old is that if you open your eyes during prayer time, it is a sin for you (punishable by cornertime), but not a sin for the teacher to have her eyes open when she catches you. I was a MRA until I turned 5.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Providing preschool at public expense cuts into the market currently cornered by private preschools, which cuts into the income of 'religious leadership'. This reduces the funds available for use in supporting the campaigns of politicians willing to pander to that religious leadership. Can't allow that, just to get more kids in preschool.

 

[Joecoolyo]

Maybe we do, I don't know. I've never heard of them. {googling}

Yeah, I guess we do have a whole catholic school board, but I don't think they do pre-school very extensively if at all. It seems that some Christian groups offer "religious" preschool, but it seems that it is pretty much analogous to our catholic school board - almost indistinguishable in practice from the public school board. Just a guess, though, but.. what the hell are you going to teach a child that age about religion? I doubt it's very religious. I could be completely wrong though.

The concept struck me as incredibly odd just because.. well.. those kids are way too young to understand anything about religion. But I suppose, "get them while they're still young" works with more than just cigarettes after all..

I don't remember much, but from what I do recall there wasn't much religious stuff. It was just ordinary pre-school things that happened to be held in a synagogue.

If you want religious stuff, that was Hebrew school. I attended that until my Bar Mitzvah.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2015/04/22/conservatives-call-pre-k-in-public-schools-godless-environment/

While I agree that we need to worry about sexy pictures of Satan being shown to 3-5 year olds, we need to be more concerned about the blood sacrifices being taught to children, especially blood sacrifices to that reptilian in office.

If you want to help our children have better educational outcomes, look for ways to help at least one parent remain in the homes with children.

So they want to help at least one parent stay in the homes with the children. At least one, preferably both? So they don't want either parent to work?

Wait a second.. what the hell are half day religious pre-schools and why isn't this article about the middle east?

You don't have those?

I went to a Jewish pre-school before Kindergarten.

Maybe we do, I don't know. I've never heard of them. {googling}

Yeah, I guess we do have a whole catholic school board, but I don't think they do pre-school very extensively if at all. It seems that some Christian groups offer "religious" preschool, but it seems that it is pretty much analogous to our catholic school board - almost indistinguishable in practice from the public school board. Just a guess, though, but.. what the hell are you going to teach a child that age about religion? I doubt it's very religious. I could be completely wrong though.

The concept struck me as incredibly odd just because.. well.. those kids are way too young to understand anything about religion. But I suppose, "get them while they're still young" works with more than just cigarettes after all..

Alberta has both public and Catholic school systems (both are taxpayer funded). I have absolutely no idea what kindergarten is like because I never went to one. I lived in the county when I was 5 and by the time I was 6, I'd already been reading for two years. Yep, there are definite benefits to having two grandparents around to read to a kid and in turn teach her to read and count and print (although I had trouble with the lowercase "a" for some reason). My parents were also willing to read to me and teach me. So I had a decent head start in Grade 1.

The county school I attended eventually became K-12, so I'm guessing that kindergarten is now mandatory.

You can actually teach a 4 or 5-year-old quite a bit about religion. Just give them Noah's Ark toys to play with, Lego Bible stories, and read regular religion-themed children's stories. One thing that annoyed me when I was a kid and my mother was dragging me to the clinic for shots and stuff was that these children's Bible books were the only child-appropriate reading material in the waiting rooms.

Or, of course, you can get a babysitting job, taking care of three boys aged 4, 5, and 6 and they want to know where God is. Is he in the toaster? Is he in the TV? Is he in the tree outside? I lasted about 10 minutes before I told them to ask their mom when she got home.

I just realized those kids are somewhere in their late 30s now...


As for the complaint in the article that the kindergartens are "godless"... well, duh. They're schools. If you want your kids to learn religion, you send them to Sunday school or other church services. Have a bible study at home. Kindergarten is the time when a lot of kids are learning stuff they should be learning from their parents but don't, either because the parents work and don't have the time, or because they just figure "that's the school's job."

 

[Borachio]

Maybe we do, I don't know. I've never heard of them. {googling}

Yeah, I guess we do have a whole catholic school board, but I don't think they do pre-school very extensively if at all. It seems that some Christian groups offer "religious" preschool, but it seems that it is pretty much analogous to our catholic school board - almost indistinguishable in practice from the public school board. Just a guess, though, but.. what the hell are you going to teach a child that age about religion? I doubt it's very religious. I could be completely wrong though.

The concept struck me as incredibly odd just because.. well.. those kids are way too young to understand anything about religion. But I suppose, "get them while they're still young" works with more than just cigarettes after all..

Religion was certainly thrust on me at an early age (but not the Catholic flavour). One of the earliest books I can remember featured Jesus and some baa lambs.

Another one featured a story about some talking kittens who nearly drowned, though.

So I guess that's why I'm such a well-balanced individual today.

Did you never go to Sunday school, Mr Soup? We did. And we spent a lot of time colouring stuff in, as I recall. And filling the vicar's wife's boots with pickled onions.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

Did you never go to Sunday school, Mr Soup? We did. And we spent a lot of time colouring stuff in, as I recall. And filling the vicar's wife's boots with pickled onions.

I bet she had a few things to say about that!

I went to Sunday school all of two times, because my aunt wanted me to go, and my mother agreed as long as I didn't get turned into "one of those Holy Rollers" (my aunt was Pentecostal in those days).

When my dad found out, he hit the roof. And that was the end of Sunday school.

Thank goodness.

 

[Farm Boy]

Maybe we do, I don't know. I've never heard of them. {googling}

Yeah, I guess we do have a whole catholic school board, but I don't think they do pre-school very extensively if at all. It seems that some Christian groups offer "religious" preschool, but it seems that it is pretty much analogous to our catholic school board - almost indistinguishable in practice from the public school board. Just a guess, though, but.. what the hell are you going to teach a child that age about religion? I doubt it's very religious. I could be completely wrong though.

The concept struck me as incredibly odd just because.. well.. those kids are way too young to understand anything about religion. But I suppose, "get them while they're still young" works with more than just cigarettes after all..

Providing preschool at public expense cuts into the market currently cornered by private preschools, which cuts into the income of 'religious leadership'. This reduces the funds available for use in supporting the campaigns of politicians willing to pander to that religious leadership. Can't allow that, just to get more kids in preschool.

My town isn't very large. A couple churches pool resources and offer about half the pre school available(probably more than half), do it at a reasonable price, offer assistance to those who can't pay entirely, and try to pay a couple local women as well as they can afford to given the mechanics of the thing. Mostly the religious part comes in because it meets in the church building, they pray some, and it's not out of place for the ministers to stop by and say hi.

But man, gotta compare somebody else's community to cigarette addiction? Yeesh. I know politicians are dumb and corrupt but come on guys.

 

[aelf]

'dem crazy fatty fuglies.

 

[Farm Boy]

Thanks aelf. Appreciated.

 

[warpus]

Did you never go to Sunday school, Mr Soup?

I did actually. I don't quite remember when exactly or for how long, but I don't think it happened before I was enrolled in kindergarten.. It was more like a grade 1/2/3 type deal. My parents attended church every sunday (everyone did) and I distinctly remember some sort of a "school on sunday where you learn a bit about the old testament or whatever".. but I don't really remember much.

Farm Boy, as for the cigarettes comment, that's just a reference to the fact that Joe Camel used to be used to try to get kids interested in cigarettes at a young age. First example that popped in my head of something like that being done by a company or organization. It's just a classic example of the strategy.

 

[Farm Boy]

Farm Boy, as for the cigarettes comment, that's just a reference to the fact that Joe Camel used to be used to try to get kids interested in cigarettes at a young age. First example that popped in my head of something like that being done by a company or organization. It's just a classic example of the strategy.

Same thing is done with education, gender roles, manners, and the unacceptability of physical violence. I guess it just kinda smarts that you would throw me in with the carcinogens.

 

[warpus]

The difference is that you are describing generic concepts that are generally taught to children - while Joe Camel and Catholicism are specific brands. Anyway, I don't get what all the controversy is about.

 

[Farm Boy]

I'm talking about specific concepts that are generally taught to children. Specific concepts that the community of Catholics will also generally teach children. My wife's faith community and my faith community are not brands of people. They're people mang!

 

[warpus]

I think you just like to jump no random things I say to be honest

But what else is a farmer going to do at 11am. That's right in between your cow milking time and.. well, okay, I admit it, I know nothing about farming.