Governments and Politics

[filli_noctus]

Actually Arsalan II SmugKitteh was mine as well. But it's always possible we hired the same guy or both our assassins took him out simultaneously.

 

[Jehoshua]

probably the former, the Hashashin probably fleeced one of us out of the pitiful amount required for the assasination and considered the same person as fulfilling both contracts.

 

[Magnive]

Oh well, I'll be waiting for the next one

 

[christos200]

Thank you fore creating this game.

But you have to say: In this game i did more revolutions than all other games i had played together.

 

[filli_noctus]

Thank you fore creating this game.

But you have to say: In this game i did more revolutions than all other games i had played together.

And not one of them succeeded. I think that shows without shadow of a doubt that the triumvirate was a force for good in Persia.

 

[JohannaK]

Filli, there should be any Encyclopaedia Persica as there is the Niponnica, dont you think?

 

[dot80]

Me and Tambien had a very eleborate plan to knock out the triumvirate. Oh and the university was making a boat load of money in the end (and at 100,000 innone seession i mean a boat load),which would have been the key to our power. I was making like 15 actions per session at the end.

 

[mayor]

allright since this has ended anyway I will come clean.

My Mercenary guild was no more than a front for my Highway compagny I would have robbed you all blind and asked money to protect you at the same time
I've got a nice detailed excelsheet which I cannot reach atm.. but I think I'll share it with you

I'm still a bit sad I didn't have the time to work it all out but it was a nice little scheme let me tell you

 

[filli_noctus]

Filli, there should be any Encyclopaedia Persica as there is the Niponnica, dont you think?

Well volunteered.

Me and Tambien had a very eleborate plan to knock out the triumvirate. Oh and the university was making a boat load of money in the end (and at 100,000 innone seession i mean a boat load),which would have been the key to our power. I was making like 15 actions per session at the end.

I had a system in place to automatically assassinate anyone who moved against the triumvirate but with that kind of income you may well have had the bodyguards to defend against it.

allright since this has ended anyway I will come clean.

My Mercenary guild was no more than a front for my Highway compagny I would have robbed you all blind and asked money to protect you at the same time
I've got a nice detailed excelsheet which I cannot reach atm.. but I think I'll share it with you

I'm still a bit sad I didn't have the time to work it all out but it was a nice little scheme let me tell you

I suspected you had something like that planned, although I was fuzzy on details. Towards the end I was massively improving law enforcement.

 

[Jehoshua]

Me and Tambien had a very eleborate plan to knock out the triumvirate. Oh and the university was making a boat load of money in the end (and at 100,000 innone seession i mean a boat load),which would have been the key to our power. I was making like 15 actions per session at the end.

intriguing, I was aware you were up to something but I didn't know what precisely you were up to when the game ended. Would you care to elaborate on your elaborate plan?

I might add though that i doubt you would of succeeded since the triumvirate controlled everything of actual importance all of which could of been used to crush you. Ergo the military was with us due to our glorious military victories and that could of been used to crush any coup attempt or to conduct a civil war. The Church was with the triumvirate because I slowly turned Persia into a theocracy over time meaning the faithful (fanatics?) could be mobilised in an instant to resist you (need I recall Tambien having his house burned down and almost being lynched when his book was condemned). AND we owned the government meaning we could use the apparatus of state to keep you down and us in.

Not to mention all three of us had oodles of cash including lucrative uni income just like you in my case (and indeed I was going to establish a uni in artaparsa to get even more ) and in all three cases absolutely massive land and business assets. Oh and ditto on the assasinations filli mentioned. I basically just killed anyone who I didn't like when I thought the time was right.

 

[dot80]

Well i wasn't going to reveal it so that it would be an option in the next game... but i can't resist. We were going to take over Arabia and eventually invade Persia.The first phase was to get a second politician line and money. The money obviously because we need funds to take over a country in a timely manner, and a second politician so you guys wouldn't grow suspicious at our disappearance. We had just gotten the money and extra politicians (at least tambien had an extra politician) when the game ended. In addition to the university money I started a slave trade gang which would help a bunch (and would have allowed me to stir things up in Persia). In Arabia we would have been the triumvirate (well duo), but we would have had much more control and power with hereditary lines and no constitution/ministers (but I understand you were just keeping it fun for the rest of the players). After that we would have just built up Arabia and attacked Persia.

On top of that I planned to weaken Persia from the inside. We had an NPC contact who said something about a corruption in the religion and how he wanted to change it. So from that maybe we could have managed to split the church (though that would have been very difficult). With all the extra money i personally could have become more powerful in Persia, and I planned to get control of the Babylonians and influence them to my will. I got that idea when we (me and Jehoshua) had a conversation about how volatile the Babylonians were. So controlling them from the background would give me some extra political clout. Finally the gang wars and organized crime that were to ensue from my gang would have helped weaken Persia (there were two other major gangs in persia already). OH, and I noticed that no one really had any guards on their businesses. So I always had the back up of just sabotaging most of the major businesses in Persia, and emptying the coffers of the university (wasn't very wise to let me be treasurer, we were going to short you the money next session Jehoshua) and just fleeing all together once our plans progressed enough.

Mayor were you the Spentas?

edit: It was comprehensive, I just left out all the little specifics for the sake of summarization.

 

[Jehoshua]

Ah yes, I let you be treasurer precisely so I could see if I was shortchanged (which since I was filthy rich to begin with wouldn't of been too major a loss). I kept good track of my finances so I would of known immediately if you did that. (and it would of resulted in an immediate assasination of all your characters and the reappropriation of the uni to full triumviral control).

As to taking over arabia to take over Persia, Im afraid that wouldn't of worked either since I as foreign minister had set things up to make it exceedingly difficult to attack and conquer Persia. Ergo you would of had to war not only against Persia but against Siam and the Ottoman Empire as well. Furthermore I was cultivating relations with Turkeys royal house with an eye to possibly doing something along your lines there as well although mainly to ensure that I could count on ottoman support should need require.

As to the rest, well businesses I was thinking of putting guards on, and I probably would of if crime got even a bit higher. As to the rest, well it would be fairly simple to deal with. Just crack down with the military, flood Persia with propoganda and release the secret police, and if it was the Babylonians unfortunately for you their piety meant that the triumvirate would of had a great hold on them to counter yours, as the Church would be utilised to sway the babylonians against you using your record of heretical leanings against you (or generally against crime if we didn't know it was you, which is possible but there is a good chance we would of).

 

[mayor]

Mayor were you the Spentas?

No, the Highway Compagny... I wasn't that big yet though cause I needed to split my recruits between that and the Mercenary Guild... I think the Compagny had 20 members or such... I'll check when I'm back home

at your attempt to divide the church: had that something to do with some sort of cult?

 

[dot80]

Haha well in hindsight I'm sure it's easy to say you would have done all those things.

The way we would have done it would have done it would have been inconspicuous to you because you have no access to the university's google doc. So you would have no way of knowing its total income.

That would have been delt with as we went. There is no guarantee we couldn't get around it afterall you were never dealing with another player on the world stage.

The rest no one can know it would have worked. The Babylonians were a long shot but I was going to try. And if I did have influence over them you wouldn't have known until I had enough to counteract that of the church, but again still a long shot. And if it was so simple why were there already two successful gangs in Persia? Besides the gang was to be based in Turkey (that is another whole leg of it that I don't have to go into) and was to have the front of a shipbuilding company, and Persia would not have been the only place we sold to. I had contacts in Moscow and other places.

It's very easy to counteract when you know the whole plan. But you would not have known until we were invading at which point I would have told you the whole thing just to gloat (assuming it would have worked).

@Mayor: Im not sure, I'll post exactly what he said. That was another long shot atleast until after the medieval age.

EDIT: Oh and I forgot to mention the religion thing would have all been done through ChGrogers, who would have been a scapegoat should anything happen. Sorry chgrogers, if it had succeed we would have brought you in on our plans though.

 

[Jehoshua]

oh yes, I noticed that cult. A terrible false interpretation of the prophecy they held. Unfortunately however their leader got axed (well he commited suicide when I sent the security forces to bring him to me), and the main body was about to get a rude awakening as well (of dagger kind).

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I knew how much I was supposed to get, thus as soon as I saw an irregularity in my own accounts I would of known something was up and acted in typical fashion and killed everyone I suspected. Either way its water under hte bridge now since the game ended with myself being at the top of the Persian totem pole. All I can say really is that I would of countered anything I knew, and I would of found out quite a lot since I was spying on everyone. Indeed I had suspicions on you already due to my intelligence. Either way, its a big fat question mark on who would of emerged the victor of a little conflict between the duopoly and the triumvirate. Although I would hedge on the triumvirate simply because I was in it

 

[dot80]

“I could not believe this as I first read it. How could such believes be so radically changed by the words of one man? Is it possible to worship a mistake? Where could such a mistake originate then? Once you read this you will understand. Our faith might be based on pure misinterpretation.

At the age of 30, Zoroaster received a revelation. While Zoroaster was fetching water from dawn for a sacred ritual, he saw the shining figure of the yazata, Vohu Manah, who led Zoroaster to the presence of Ahura Mazda where he was taught the cardinal principles of the Good Religion. As a result of this vision, Zoroaster felt that he was chosen to spread and preach the religion. Zoroaster then proclaimed that only one of the three gods, Ahura Mazda, was the sole uncreated creator of the universe. He stated that this source of goodness was the only Ahura worthy of the highest worship. He further stated that Ahura Mazda created spirits known as yazatas to aid him, who also merited devotion. Zoroaster proclaimed that all the daevas were demons and deserved no worship. These demons were created by Angra Mainyu, the hostile spirit. The existence of Angra Mainyu was the source of all sin and misery in the universe.”

“Then the writer of the scroll gives his opinion,” the priest began, “he reflects on how this came to be. In the ancient days before Persepolis was built, back when we roamed the earth in darkness, we worshiped many gods called daevas, along with three greater gods each bearing the title Ahura. Then Zoroaster came and changed everything. The author then sees words between the lines. Can you? Read this again as if the gods had human intentions, then you will see.

“After thousands of years Zoroaster's words were forgotten. His scrolls remained sealed until one day a man named Jehashuthra organized our religion. He opened the scrolls once more, and implemented Zoroaster's revelation,” the priest explained. He waited for you to take everything, make the connections. He then began whispering once more.

“I see your intentions are good, you carry the logic manifesto and intend on explaining the priests the manifesto. You will only do harm. Things are moving, ideals forming, an ardent passion waiting to explode. Your words will be blocked, rejected, and destroyed. The High Priest lays ill, ignorant of the dangers, and the Artaparsi fail to see this will bring them down.

We still have hope. This scroll is a weapon, our weapon, to change things, to stop the fanatics. I am probably the last priest who has not been caught by the flames of our religion. My name is Atbin Baeshatastura, will you join me in my crusade for change and righteousness?”

I think civleader was trying to help us out with bringing you down. Idk, it could all be a lie. I got this second-hand afterall.

@Mayor: Well than you would have 3 major gangs to deal with. With mine and Tambiens money we would have risen fast and come down hard on the competition.

 

[Jehoshua]

Thats different from the cult I was busy extirpating, since they were definitely fanatics. Still if you brought that public I have doubts you would of succeeded in splitting the Church, namely because I would of agreed completely with the scroll and potentially thrown it at the liberals and the fanatics alike with the former compromising you, using my glorious descent from Jehashuthra to claim authority on the matter .

 

[filli_noctus]

You would have had trouble swaying the Babylonians against the triumvirate. Not only were they devout Mazadaeans the majority accepted me as their king and I had just kicked off a scheme to bind them even closer to House Noctus.

 

[mayor]

@Cultthing... My merc were hired to escort someone from the church of mazda... don't remember what exactly happened

@Dot80: Aah well but I would have had my Mercenary Guild... I would have made it a Politionele acties (military action under the guise of lawenforcement) to receive military support. Off course I would have let my HC retreat every were I and the Army would operate

@People who are interested
GaP.xls
How my guilds were organized

 

[swimandciv]

thanks Civleader for the great game. A little disappointed that I was just starting to gain power. Congrats Jehoshua.

EDIT: Also, while everyone is revealing their secret plans: My plan was to try to become extremely popular among the people and then contact other players who I assumed were planning to overthrow the triumvirate (as Dot80's posts prove) and try to lead a Cristosesque rebellion with the difference being it would probably work. After my allies eliminated the triumvirate's sources of power, I would be in position to wipe them out and create a new order that would seem fair but would be much like the triumvirate in controlling all real power. Unfortunately, I wasn't in the game long enough to get past the first part of the plan.