Goz-12 - 5CC - Large map - Space Race

[gozpel]

Hey dudes, I'm back.

My 2 old cans are one working unit now, or at least I hope so... It's stable enough and I only need a few drivers to avoid conflicts. I'd be set up by tonight my time, I reckon.

I'm eager to play and can take it before Andy, if that's alright? Weekend and all, I have the time and the computer finally.

The game: I see it finally sunk in to some of you how important deals and luxes/resources are, those deals were excellent. Very clever thinking lads!

We need more of that stuff to catch up and World wars are in our favor, to slow tech-pace down. It looked like things calmed down a bit lately, we might try to start WW3 if we have the funds, but never go recklessly about and destroy our rep. That's our biggest bargain chip and we can't lose it.

Again, well done.

I just figured we're lacking a proper workforce and I might have to rectify that. It will cost us, but they'll be needed shortly, so if I do something drastic like dropping our pop it's for the better good. In the long run, that is.

If Andronicus can't take it tonight my time, I can play tomorrow early and hopefully sort out a long term plan as well.

All in all, we're alive. We're building happy buildings and might soon get uni's, that will help us tremendously.

As for military, we only need a few. If we get run over, we're dead anyways, so let's spend our resources on city stuff. When the time comes, we can concentrate on all out mil. builds, but for now we need culture and happiness.

And yeah, for a future war, we need an enemy that pressure our borders - Liz, Bismarck or Cathy, either one is good to put a dent in, but we have to be very careful. Think about this!

Edit: Thanks for the embassies, Whomp!

 

[Andronicus]

I've had a look at the save but not played - you take it first goz

My thoughts - there are 4 or 5 civs still in middle ages - I wonder if buying some techs may get us to finding out if there are any tech trading possibilities. Gifting Hittitites up to almost our level may result in possible trades with them in the future - they are no use behind us and broke.
I think our requirement ASAP must be to get all cities up to size 12 and working fully developed tiles. We have way too few workers. Our capital is wasting food when skimming workers (or even a settler) will allow it to prop up our slower growing cities. Once rails and hospitals come workers will again be very important. Courts also pay for themselves and more. I would build these or workers before colloseums.
I note French military average to us, rest as expected are strong. Keep an eye on whether French are going out. They are at forefront technologically - is there an opportunity there?

 

[Andronicus]

And yeah, for a future war, we need an enemy that pressure our borders - Liz, Bismarck or Cathy, either one is good to put a dent in, but we have to be very careful. Think about this!

We need one to be dogpiled on so we can join the dogpile - preferrably one of the more backward (ie Liz or Cathy rather than Bismark)

 

[Pentium]

You should be able to sell iron this turn. During my turns Monty was the only one without it, but now with that many wars there might be some more.

BTW, Welcome back!

 

[Whomp]

We need one to be dogpiled on so we can join the dogpile - preferrably one of the more backward (ie Liz or Cathy rather than Bismark)

Liz would be an easy target since the majority of her offensive units have crossed our borders and have been wasted by Cathy. However, we'd need to be careful of Hiawatha who's fighting Cathy too. He has cavs.

Welcome back Goz. We had a decent finish in SGOTM10...though nothing like Andronicus and Team Liz.

 

[Pentium]

Liz would be an easy target since the majority of her offensive units have crossed our borders and have been wasted by Cathy. However, we'd need to be careful of Hiawatha who's fighting Cathy too. He has cavs.

By the time we can put together a succesful invasion force, both Cathy and Liz could build a lot of units. I think we should now just watch closely for dogpiles and jump in when we have some army.

 

[zerksees]

gozpel, please give us a signal you are still online. We are waiting for you.

 

[Pentium]

Guys, just letting you know, I'll be away from today through August 15.

 

[zerksees]

gozpel must be having connection problems again. Andronicus can you take this next?

 

[Andronicus]

gozpel must be having connection problems again. Andronicus can you take this next?

Sure , after the Madagascans

 

[Andronicus]

My apologies, but to keep this SG from stalling I need to ask for a skip. RL hectic at moment and all night session to complete COTM 26 before deadline, then finding Madagascan turn taking a looong time means I wont have time for this till next week .

 

[zerksees]

Andronicus - needs another week or so
Simple Monkey - dropped out
gozpel - missing atm
zerksees
Pentium - off til 8/14
Whomp - just played (on July 12)

I have not decided if I will take it before you Andronicus. Check back in a week or so and you will be next either way.

 

[Andronicus]

RL still biting hard - I dont see myself able to play my turn in the coming weeks, sorry

 

[zerksees]

Andronicus any chance you will have time to play this one?

 

[Andronicus]

Andronicus any chance you will have time to play this one?

sorry but I'm short on civ time and trying to give priority to SGOTM11 . If this is still going in a months time I think I will have more time then.

 

[zerksees]

Last night I decided to dust this one off and play a turnset. It's been long enough.

pre-flight:

- Yuk all but the Hittites have every conceivable tech we can reach so there are no trade possibilities.
- Notice the Iroquois have over 13,500 gold!
- We have 4 native workers (about 7 slaves), 1 spear, 14 sword, 1 army, 4 med inf.
- Change Pyong to put out a worker

IBT
-Aztecs come calling to renew iron for wines trade. We throw in 11 gpt and 6 gold to get theology. (we are working on gunpowder at min so why not work the other side of the tree)
-Russia deal for furs is up, pay 11 gpt to get furs
-France and Celts sign MA vs Germany
-Iroquois demand 22 gold and territory map. We oblige.
-Pyong: worker->colosseum (decided not to build another worker since almost all our worked tiles have already been improved)
-Our volcano to the north is active

460AD
- Sell gems to Aztecs collecting 32 gold and 15 gpt
- Try to buy a needed tech from anyone but not enough gold
- Did I mention the Hittites are also a 5CC - though probably not by choice

IBT
nothing much

470 AD
- Sell territory map around the horn. All of them were paying one gold and no more.
- Still no techs to buy

IBT
- Byz and Celts make peace
- Celts are building Newtons!

480 AD
- 208 gold and 41 gpt still not enough to buy a tech

IBT
- Bouncing Bucket is rioting - should have checked mapstat as our pop growth made unhappiness

490 AD
- Buy education from France for iron, 240 gold and 29 gpt. All AI except Hittites have music theory, astronomy and banking so no trading opportunities. I plan to get banking next so we can build some banks and increase gold

IBT
-Iroquois and Babylon make peace
-Russia and Germany make peace

500AD
nothing much

IBT
-Hittites and Germany make peace

510AD
-Do some MM to increase gold a little. We now show +66 gpt. Still not enough to buy a tech

IBT
-Seoul:colosseum->university

520AD
- Iroquois now hold Tver (just off our east border). Maybe they will take Orenburg and we will get more horses

I'll finish the rest over the next few days.

I did disband two swords to offset the cost of new buildings. Cities building cathedrals, colosseums and now will start universities.

Upon further review and reflection, I am going to fish around for some military alliances to join. I plan to go against far away civs so we won't have any real fighting. If we can get one dogpiled then maybe that civ will fall behind in tech and help us catch up during peace negotiations.

It is apparent that gozpel is not back online and may not be coming back. Is anyone else still interested in continuing with this game?

 

[Whomp]

I can from time to time. I've tried cutting back by focusing on 1 turn games(PBEM and Pitboss) but will try to get a set in with a "got it" if that's ok.

 

[zerksees]

OK Whomp - since there is no deadline on this game you can pick it up whenever you like. At this point anyone in the game who is interested can pick up a turnset

520 AD – continues

No one will sell us banking or gunpowder, even with 66 gpt and 105 gold. All we have left to sell that I can see is our allegiance.

Identify AI with no current deals: Babylon, Germany, England, Celts and Byzantines.

Ah the Byzantines are at the other end of the continent. Babylon is also a candidate as there is a buffer.

Fish around diplomacy screen. Find France is interested in paying for a military alliance with us. Several others including Iroquois want us to pay them for a military alliance.

France sells us banking, we give military alliance against Byzantines, 45 gpt and 96 gold.

I could have saved another 12 gpt or so by adding a militray alliance against Babylon, but decided to ease into this approach.

Switch Seoul, Rojo, and Pyong to build banks. The other two are finishing cathedrals, then they can build banks.

IBT
Hittites and England make peace, as do Babylon and Germany.
Palace expands

530 AD
Not much

IBT
Babylon and America make peace

540 AD
Lincoln is now in the industrial ages. I don’t know the Iro and Aztec faces well enough to know if they made it yet.

IBT
America and Celts make peace. The peacemaking trend is getting annoying
Finally more war: Aztecs and Iroquois sign MA vs Russia.

550 AD
Again not much. I have to retract prior comments. We could probably use more workers ATM. France has four in their capital but I leave it to next player to buy them or not.

We have score of 777, passing Hittites score, which is now 763, and we are up to 11th place. Woohoo.

Summary:
Acquired three techs (theology, education and banking), started a war with Byzantines to help finance technology, moved to 11th place, improved tiles, disbanded two swords, built a worker and a couple improvements.

Toughts:
The next tech should be gunpowder, maybe we will have saltpeter that we can sell for techs.
We are still so small that we need to give in to AI demands and avoid being a target.
I would build banks then colosseums then universities. Once all 5 banks are done we should put up wall st too.
Tech pace is scary fast but I think we can catch up if we stick to making gold and not war units. At some point all these wars will weaken an AI and give us some trading opportunities.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/27707/Goz12_550AD.SAV

 

[Andronicus]

Once all 5 banks are done we should put up wall st too.

May have to wait a little while yet - Wall St requires 5 stock exchanges not just banks

 

[zerksees]

May have to wait a little while yet - Wall St requires 5 stock exchanges not just banks

Thanks - How long have I played this game?