Andronicus
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One diety civ may be manageable but if we get dogpiled ...
Goz-12 - 5CC - Large map - Space Race
- Thread starter gozpel
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Pentium
Digital Matter
One civ is surely manageable with our military, because they'll just keep sending units in a row, and we have time to kill them all and then heal. But you are right, as soon another neighbouring civ enters the war on their side, we're toast.
I think we must keep good relations with as much civs a possible. MA's are probably too expensive for us at this point and would set us back in the future (gpt), if possible at all.
I think we must keep good relations with as much civs a possible. MA's are probably too expensive for us at this point and would set us back in the future (gpt), if possible at all.
zerksees
in remission
gozpel you are still up. Are you going to have a chance to get it this weekend?
Pentium
Digital Matter
Our roster:
Gozpel Up
Zerksees
Pentium
Whomp
Andronicus
Simple Monkey
Since gozpel hasn't responded for a while, will you take it, zerksees?
Gozpel Up
Zerksees
Pentium
Whomp
Andronicus
Simple Monkey
Since gozpel hasn't responded for a while, will you take it, zerksees?
zerksees
in remission
I have one other SG at the moment but I will take it in a couple days. I have been waiting for gozpel since he started the game after all, but he must have some real life issues.
zerksees
in remission
Pre-flight: move a couple units put one on the worker stack with the spear to prtoect from Russian knight. Rest looks good.
IBT Russian knight defeats our spearman on the mountain
70 AD
We take out the knight with our army
Thinking about making peace with Aztecs. They are so far off there are no prospects of hitting them soon and they will just drag everyone in against us. By lowering the science slider I can get them to a demand of 18 gpt atm.
IBT
English are menacing many units are moving into our territory
Rojo: sword -> catapult
Nampo: granary -> spear
90 AD
Bite the bullet give Aztecs 50 gold and 15 gpt for peace
Not sure what English are up to, but I buy currency for 25 gpt as an insurance policy.
IBT
Theodora demands our 3 gold which we give
Celts and France sign MA vs Russia
Pyong: sword -> market
Palace expands going up
110 AD
Lets go tear up some Russian improvements
IBT
It is now apparent that the English are also at war with Russia, and they are headed north to get the Russian city there.
130 AD
Since English are passing change Rojo to market
IBT
Bouncing Bucket: harbor -> market
150 AD
Voila road to gems is done and we have a harbor to ship them from. Shopped around, sold them to France for polytheism and 2 gpt
IBT
Celts and Aztecs sign MA vs America
More English vs. Russia action
America and France join MA vs. Russia
170 AD
One English sword outside our capital and we have only one defender. I hate this.
IBT
The English sword moves on probably to Russia
Celts and Germany sign MA vs. Byzantines
Seoul: heroic epic -> market
190 AD
Finally Catherine will talk but she wants GPT. She is under the dogpile so we will wait
210 AD
Take out 2 Russian longbows with our pillaging army and a spear with an elite sword
IBT before 250 AD French start Smiths and Iroquois start Shakespeares
250 AD
Finally Russia will take peace and give us a few coins. Parlay this into a buy of construction for 25 gold and 21 gpt. Our free tech is engineering. Everyone except Hittites has monarchy, feudalism and monotheism.
Sorry if you guys don't like it but early war not in the cards for me. Avoiding dogpile is in the cards and so is building our infrastructure.
We could sell our iron to Aztecs for feudalism and 100 gold or monotheism and 800 gold. Check around to see if there are better deals elsewhere.
I have a sword on our extra iron now the English horde has passed I put it there to cover it until the workers arrive.
My advice is to sell both irons (one now and the other when it is hooked up) and get a couple techs out of it. If we can get to a place where there is some tech disparity in that big group of AI we can catch up quickly.
IBT Russian knight defeats our spearman on the mountain
70 AD
We take out the knight with our army
Thinking about making peace with Aztecs. They are so far off there are no prospects of hitting them soon and they will just drag everyone in against us. By lowering the science slider I can get them to a demand of 18 gpt atm.
IBT
English are menacing many units are moving into our territory
Rojo: sword -> catapult
Nampo: granary -> spear
90 AD
Bite the bullet give Aztecs 50 gold and 15 gpt for peace
Not sure what English are up to, but I buy currency for 25 gpt as an insurance policy.
IBT
Theodora demands our 3 gold which we give
Celts and France sign MA vs Russia
Pyong: sword -> market
Palace expands going up
110 AD
Lets go tear up some Russian improvements
IBT
It is now apparent that the English are also at war with Russia, and they are headed north to get the Russian city there.
130 AD
Since English are passing change Rojo to market
IBT
Bouncing Bucket: harbor -> market
150 AD
Voila road to gems is done and we have a harbor to ship them from. Shopped around, sold them to France for polytheism and 2 gpt
IBT
Celts and Aztecs sign MA vs America
More English vs. Russia action
America and France join MA vs. Russia
170 AD
One English sword outside our capital and we have only one defender. I hate this.
IBT
The English sword moves on probably to Russia
Celts and Germany sign MA vs. Byzantines
Seoul: heroic epic -> market
190 AD
Finally Catherine will talk but she wants GPT. She is under the dogpile so we will wait
210 AD
Take out 2 Russian longbows with our pillaging army and a spear with an elite sword
IBT before 250 AD French start Smiths and Iroquois start Shakespeares
250 AD
Finally Russia will take peace and give us a few coins. Parlay this into a buy of construction for 25 gold and 21 gpt. Our free tech is engineering. Everyone except Hittites has monarchy, feudalism and monotheism.
Sorry if you guys don't like it but early war not in the cards for me. Avoiding dogpile is in the cards and so is building our infrastructure.
We could sell our iron to Aztecs for feudalism and 100 gold or monotheism and 800 gold. Check around to see if there are better deals elsewhere.
I have a sword on our extra iron now the English horde has passed I put it there to cover it until the workers arrive.
My advice is to sell both irons (one now and the other when it is hooked up) and get a couple techs out of it. If we can get to a place where there is some tech disparity in that big group of AI we can catch up quickly.
zerksees
in remission
Whomp - thanks.
On not caving - we got out of it with little bad effects, so nothing to worry about. If he had put down a city nearby we probably could have gotten out for free by razing the city.
It was his deep pockets that I was worried about - not his units.
With a litte tech wizardry we will be right back in it.
On not caving - we got out of it with little bad effects, so nothing to worry about. If he had put down a city nearby we probably could have gotten out for free by razing the city.
It was his deep pockets that I was worried about - not his units.
With a litte tech wizardry we will be right back in it.
Pentium
Digital Matter
First, a big Thank you for handing me a peaceful empire 
I'll have a lot of time on Sunday, so I'll try to dig up my tech wizardry skills until then. Nice to know we can get a tech as expensive as Feud for Iron.
@Whomp: don't worry, after I'm done you won't be the one feeling horrible
That's a tactic I use a lot, and I'll surely do so. We're lucky to have two sources, it'll make catching up easier.zerksees said:
I'll have a lot of time on Sunday, so I'll try to dig up my tech wizardry skills until then. Nice to know we can get a tech as expensive as Feud for Iron.
@Whomp: don't worry, after I'm done you won't be the one feeling horrible
Me likeyzerksees said:
Hey dudes, I have no computer whatsoever now. My older back-up fried the weekend when I played my turns. Now both old comps are at a friends house, he will try to put something together with the working parts and he will tell me how it goes next week.
I would've informed you earlier if I could've gotten to a comp with internet, most ppl around here don't worry about internet since they are busy working and I had to go to town and the library to found out what was going on here.
My turns was nothing of what zerksees'es turned out to be, my was a bit more eventful.
Well done anyways zerksees, those deals are great.
Now what we want is embassies with ALL nations, that plus markets and all happy buildings in our cities. If we can get cathedrals and colloseums before the next war, we still have a chance. We're almost an era behind in techs, but I have seen worse, we're still alive!
I'll buy a new computer in 2 months or so and I can only hope my mate figures out to make a working one of the crap i gave him, or else I won't be able to play at all for a while.
Argh! Withdrawals.........Not being able to connect to the internet is a pain, I never knew how much I depend on that and this site.
Keep the game moving please, it's not MY game, it's ours. I'll be back next week if everything goes right, if worse comes to worse I'll go a rent a computer for a couple of months.
Make the deal zerksees mentioned -> iron for a tech, I think Feudalism is best as it is the most expensive, then research Invention. But we need those markets and the happy buildings now, so thread carefully.
I could under my turns also sell both our gems to gain something, look at this and see if you can get anything from it.
Thanks peeps, for your patience and just play on, I'll be back next week I hope or at least I go to town again and update you about my situation. I've played CIV for years and now I actually get physically sick when I can't.
It's sad.
My time is running out here, Whomp -> Can you please tell the crew in SGOTM about my situation, next week I can tell them myself I suppose, but I'm supposed to be the skipper. You get the role for now, Whomp.
I would've informed you earlier if I could've gotten to a comp with internet, most ppl around here don't worry about internet since they are busy working and I had to go to town and the library to found out what was going on here.
My turns was nothing of what zerksees'es turned out to be, my was a bit more eventful.
Well done anyways zerksees, those deals are great.
Now what we want is embassies with ALL nations, that plus markets and all happy buildings in our cities. If we can get cathedrals and colloseums before the next war, we still have a chance. We're almost an era behind in techs, but I have seen worse, we're still alive!
I'll buy a new computer in 2 months or so and I can only hope my mate figures out to make a working one of the crap i gave him, or else I won't be able to play at all for a while.
Argh! Withdrawals.........Not being able to connect to the internet is a pain, I never knew how much I depend on that and this site.
Keep the game moving please, it's not MY game, it's ours. I'll be back next week if everything goes right, if worse comes to worse I'll go a rent a computer for a couple of months.
Make the deal zerksees mentioned -> iron for a tech, I think Feudalism is best as it is the most expensive, then research Invention. But we need those markets and the happy buildings now, so thread carefully.
I could under my turns also sell both our gems to gain something, look at this and see if you can get anything from it.
Thanks peeps, for your patience and just play on, I'll be back next week I hope or at least I go to town again and update you about my situation. I've played CIV for years and now I actually get physically sick when I can't.
It's sad.
My time is running out here, Whomp -> Can you please tell the crew in SGOTM about my situation, next week I can tell them myself I suppose, but I'm supposed to be the skipper. You get the role for now, Whomp.
Pentium
Digital Matter
Hey goz, nice to hear from you. Remember to be very nice to that mate of yours!
Sorry guys, I had to work today, so I'll get the save tomorrow. It's better to be patient than to become one.
Sorry guys, I had to work today, so I'll get the save tomorrow. It's better to be patient than to become one.
Pentium
Digital Matter
Pre-turn, 250AD: Nampo needs an Aqua more than a Market, due in 4. Our empire is nice, while the income is not. We only have 1 lux and we can trade for 2 more, but unhappiness is not a problem with 20% luxtax.
Neither Abe nor Brennus will sign RoP. Did we brake it?
3 workers are roading an unused tile next to Seoul, but there is only one slave building the road to our second Iron. First I thought that was very bad, but I changed my mind quickly, because every civ except Aztecs have Iron. That's something I don't like, because we can only sell one at a time even though we'll have 2 soon.
Sell Iron to Monty for Feud, Wines and 39 gold. He has 1300 gold but no gpt. Being a 5CC, it's profitable for us to sell native luxes and buy foreign ones. Like this:
That was our only source of Gems. 75 free gold anyway! Our Gems are valued at 10gpt, so I couldn't buy any tech with them. ImageShack has some problems with me, so the screenie is attached at the bottom.
Set lone scientist in Royo to Invention. Enter.
IT: Babs declare on America, so do Hitites
France and America sign MA against Babs
The French are building Shake's.
Turn 1, 260AD
CA2 tells Germany is now Demo, and we can buy Iron now.
Everybody except Hitites have Inv. But they do have 25 gold, so I sell Poly to them.
Things are about to get better, we'll have Markets in 1, 2, 3 and 5.
That's it, Enter
IT: England captures previously Russian Magadan
France declared on America
France and Celts sign MA against Byz, which are building Bach
Pyong Market => worker
Novgorod finishes Bach's.
Americans build Smith's
Turn 2, 270AD: Absolutely Nothing.
IT: Pyong Worker -> Colosseum. Nothing better to build.
Rojo Market => Court
Orleans finishes Shake's
Our curragh down at Celts' dies due to my miscount (yeah, what's a point of movement between idiots?)
Turn 3, 280AD: Nothing with a capital N again.
IT: Seoul Market -> Colosseum, Nampo Aqua -> Market
Turn 4, 290AD: Seoul now needs a scientist, so Rojo's one can go back to work on a hill.
IT: Iros declare on America, then they establish an Embassy.
Turn 5: Nothing again.
IT: England and Celts sing MA against Byz,
England and Iro against America
BB Market -> Temple
Our palace has a new section
Turn 6, 310AD: We can now buy Mono. Joan give the lowest prize, I guess because she values our map the highest. She sell Mono for 240gold, 43gpt (we have 65 @ 8.0.2) and a WM.
Colosseum builds changes to Cathedrals.
Turn 7: Nothing
IT: Iro and Germans sign MA against Babs
Turn 8, 330AD: Turns are pretty much "look around, check CivAssist, Enter". I keep selling techs to Hitites so we get some money and maybe a trade partner soon. He's just out of the AA just now.
Turn 9: French are Industrial. We're less than an era behind. With that much AI war, we're pretty much winning.
IT: Aztecs and Iros sign MA against Babs
Turn 10: Aztecs and Germans are Industrial too. France has a worker for sale. I wouldn't buy one.
Hitites suddenly have 248 gold. I'd sell a tech for it before their negative gpt eats it. As I said, we want a trading partner ASAP.
Summary: Pretty uneventful set of turns. I have that bad feeling that I didn't actually do anthing. Maybe there's wasn't much to be done, but still.
Neither Abe nor Brennus will sign RoP. Did we brake it?
3 workers are roading an unused tile next to Seoul, but there is only one slave building the road to our second Iron. First I thought that was very bad, but I changed my mind quickly, because every civ except Aztecs have Iron. That's something I don't like, because we can only sell one at a time even though we'll have 2 soon.
Sell Iron to Monty for Feud, Wines and 39 gold. He has 1300 gold but no gpt. Being a 5CC, it's profitable for us to sell native luxes and buy foreign ones. Like this:
That was our only source of Gems. 75 free gold anyway! Our Gems are valued at 10gpt, so I couldn't buy any tech with them. ImageShack has some problems with me, so the screenie is attached at the bottom.
Set lone scientist in Royo to Invention. Enter.
IT: Babs declare on America, so do Hitites
France and America sign MA against Babs
The French are building Shake's.
Turn 1, 260AD
CA2 tells Germany is now Demo, and we can buy Iron now.
Everybody except Hitites have Inv. But they do have 25 gold, so I sell Poly to them.
Things are about to get better, we'll have Markets in 1, 2, 3 and 5.
That's it, Enter
IT: England captures previously Russian Magadan
France declared on America
France and Celts sign MA against Byz, which are building Bach
Pyong Market => worker
Novgorod finishes Bach's.
Americans build Smith's
Turn 2, 270AD: Absolutely Nothing.
IT: Pyong Worker -> Colosseum. Nothing better to build.
Rojo Market => Court
Orleans finishes Shake's
Our curragh down at Celts' dies due to my miscount (yeah, what's a point of movement between idiots?)
Turn 3, 280AD: Nothing with a capital N again.
IT: Seoul Market -> Colosseum, Nampo Aqua -> Market
Turn 4, 290AD: Seoul now needs a scientist, so Rojo's one can go back to work on a hill.
IT: Iros declare on America, then they establish an Embassy.
Turn 5: Nothing again.
IT: England and Celts sing MA against Byz,
England and Iro against America
BB Market -> Temple
Our palace has a new section
Turn 6, 310AD: We can now buy Mono. Joan give the lowest prize, I guess because she values our map the highest. She sell Mono for 240gold, 43gpt (we have 65 @ 8.0.2) and a WM.
Colosseum builds changes to Cathedrals.
Turn 7: Nothing
IT: Iro and Germans sign MA against Babs
Turn 8, 330AD: Turns are pretty much "look around, check CivAssist, Enter". I keep selling techs to Hitites so we get some money and maybe a trade partner soon. He's just out of the AA just now.
Turn 9: French are Industrial. We're less than an era behind. With that much AI war, we're pretty much winning.
IT: Aztecs and Iros sign MA against Babs
Turn 10: Aztecs and Germans are Industrial too. France has a worker for sale. I wouldn't buy one.
Hitites suddenly have 248 gold. I'd sell a tech for it before their negative gpt eats it. As I said, we want a trading partner ASAP.
Summary: Pretty uneventful set of turns. I have that bad feeling that I didn't actually do anthing. Maybe there's wasn't much to be done, but still.
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zerksees
in remission
The reason there were no markets is that we just got currencyPentium said:
The reason there is only one worker on the way to the second iron is that I could not get a unit onto the actual iron tile until the last turn.
I don't recall breaking ROP so not sure why we can't do that?
Nice trick on the lux trade - I always knew there was some disparity there but could not put together how to capitalize on it.
Overall this looks good to me.
Stay with it. With any luck some of the AI will fall off tier 1 and we can barter techs to catch up.Are we still sitting on a lot of gold? If so I recommend cranking up the science - it will reduce our cost on invention. It might be a chance if an AI comes knocking, but will they really demand all our gold?
Whomp you are next.
Pentium
Digital Matter
Yeah, I said it's not a bad move anyway because that iron is pretty useless ATM.zerksees said:
When I offered 140 gold for it they were insulted. Maybe we're just too small for it.zerk said:
Maybe. I think we could have got Inv in 20 turns at a few negative gpt before buying Mono. But buying is still cheaper and gpt deals also protect us. Also, we get an additional tech every 50 turns this way.zerk said:
zerksees
in remission
gozpel said:
I think this is probably what should be done with any extra gold - before putting it to research
Pretty quiet turns for me.
Pre-turn: Establish a couple embassies with 2 big dogs. Germany and Russia.
IT Celts and Hittites MA vs. Germany. We have a nice battle between the Russians and English going on our turf. England and Germany MA vs. Hittites. Germans start Newts.
360 MM temple at Bouncing Bucket to commerce..
IT Iroquois dema nd a TM and 21g. OK.
370 A gpt deal has expired. Give WM, 9gpt and 3g to Iroquois for dyes. Income increases from +39 to 50gpt. I can do the same with the Americans but I'll wait on the caths.
IT We extend our Peace Treat with the Aztecs. Babs and Russia make peace. Iroquois Cav appears. Oh my. Bouncing Bucket from temple to rax.
380 Establish a embassy in England.
IT Celts and Russians make peace. See a Iroquois leader running around. Seoul finishes cath and starts a MI. I figure we can disband other units. French finish Magellans. Germans switch Newts.
390 Establish an embassy with France. Trade 10gpt, 16g and WM for gems to America
IT Russia/Aztec peace. England/Germany MA vs. Babs. Celts start Newts.
400 Do a little short rushing at Seoul and Bouncing. Renegotiate our 2gpt for gems with France and get invention for gems and 49gpt.
IT Iroquois and Celts MA vs. Byz. Nampo finishes a market and starts a Cath, Bouncing rax to cath and Seoul MI to MI.
410
IT England and America peace. Hittites and America peace.
420 Nada
IT Aztecs and Germans MA vs. Hittites. England and Germany vs. Celts. France and Russia peace.
430
IT
440
IT Germany demands a TM and 22g. K. Germany and Iroquois MA vs. Byz
IT
450 Renegotiate our peace deal with Russia down from 21gpt to WM, 6gpt and 11g.
I can post the pictures of the embassies if you'd like tomorrow. Too tired tonight.
Pre-turn: Establish a couple embassies with 2 big dogs. Germany and Russia.
IT Celts and Hittites MA vs. Germany. We have a nice battle between the Russians and English going on our turf. England and Germany MA vs. Hittites. Germans start Newts.
360 MM temple at Bouncing Bucket to commerce..
IT Iroquois dema nd a TM and 21g. OK.
370 A gpt deal has expired. Give WM, 9gpt and 3g to Iroquois for dyes. Income increases from +39 to 50gpt. I can do the same with the Americans but I'll wait on the caths.
IT We extend our Peace Treat with the Aztecs. Babs and Russia make peace. Iroquois Cav appears. Oh my. Bouncing Bucket from temple to rax.
380 Establish a embassy in England.
IT Celts and Russians make peace. See a Iroquois leader running around. Seoul finishes cath and starts a MI. I figure we can disband other units. French finish Magellans. Germans switch Newts.
390 Establish an embassy with France. Trade 10gpt, 16g and WM for gems to America
IT Russia/Aztec peace. England/Germany MA vs. Babs. Celts start Newts.
400 Do a little short rushing at Seoul and Bouncing. Renegotiate our 2gpt for gems with France and get invention for gems and 49gpt.
IT Iroquois and Celts MA vs. Byz. Nampo finishes a market and starts a Cath, Bouncing rax to cath and Seoul MI to MI.
410
IT England and America peace. Hittites and America peace.
420 Nada
IT Aztecs and Germans MA vs. Hittites. England and Germany vs. Celts. France and Russia peace.
430
IT
440
IT Germany demands a TM and 22g. K. Germany and Iroquois MA vs. Byz
IT
450 Renegotiate our peace deal with Russia down from 21gpt to WM, 6gpt and 11g.
I can post the pictures of the embassies if you'd like tomorrow. Too tired tonight.
zerksees
in remission
Looks good Whomp.
Andronicus you are up. Its your turn to try and pull off some tech wizardry.
Echoing gozpel's comments I suggest we finish all happy buildings before rebuilding military. If we run out of improvements we should probably build some bombard units.
Andronicus you are up. Its your turn to try and pull off some tech wizardry.
Echoing gozpel's comments I suggest we finish all happy buildings before rebuilding military. If we run out of improvements we should probably build some bombard units.
We have another 40gpt deal coming up this turnset with France. BTW the English are getting gassed sending out all their units towards Russia. They're lost a lot of quality units.
BTW I building MI and disbanding spears but colloseums are still an option for some cities. We could also use some buchets since we have none.
BTW I building MI and disbanding spears but colloseums are still an option for some cities. We could also use some buchets since we have none.
Andronicus
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Got it but it may take a few days - if nothing doing 48 hours I'll post a skip
(its school hols and the kids hog the good computer)
(its school hols and the kids hog the good computer)
