Great Admiral names

[cuc]

I just realized that some of the most famous admirals in history have already appeared in Civ4's Great People list, and Civ5 inherited it from Civ4.

The great voyagers are all in the Great Merchant list:
Harkuf (ancient Egypt)
Hanno (Phoenecian explorer)
Pytheas (a geographer rather than an admiral?)
Leif Erickson (Viking explorer)
Zheng He
Vasco da Gama
Christopher Columbus
Ferdinand Magellan
Jacques Cartier
James Cook

And the admirals known for their military capabilities are in the Great General list:
Lysander
Michiel de Ruyter
Horatio Nelson
Isoroku Yamamoto

I think G&K would definitely move those GGs into the Great Admiral list, but what about the great voyagers?

 

[KrikkitTwo]

I just realized that some of the most famous admirals in history have already appeared in Civ4's Great People list, and Civ5 inherited it from Civ4.

The great voyagers are all in the Great Merchant list:
Harkuf (ancient Egypt)
Hanno (Phoenecian explorer)
Pytheas (a geographer rather than an admiral?)
Leif Erickson (Viking explorer)
Zheng He
Vasco da Gama
Christopher Columbus
Ferdinand Magellan
Jacques Cartier
James Cook

And the admirals known for their military capabilities are in the Great General list:
Lysander
Michiel de Ruyter
Horatio Nelson
Isoroku Yamamoto

I think G&K would definitely move those GGs into the Great Admiral list, but what about the great voyagers?

Probably the same... and then look for some other great merchants.

 

[Louis XXIV]

I personally would keep explorers with merchants. There are too many individuals where the line between merchants and explorers are unclear. Marco Polo, for example.

 

[cuc]

I personally would keep explorers with merchants. There are too many individuals where the line between merchants and explorers are unclear. Marco Polo, for example.

To play devil's advocate, the same argument can be made for making explorers into Great Admirals: the line between merchants and pirates were also blurry or even non-existent for a large part of history, whether it was the antiquity, the Vikings, the West during the age of discovery, or in Ming and Qing South China.

 

[Louis XXIV]

True, but I'd probably limit Great Admirals to naval commanders who explicitly served the state. So you'd get Sir Francis Drake, but not Black Bart Roberts.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

What does it take to be considered an Admiral? there are some great naval heroes that weren't admirals that would be fun to include. Stephan Decatur, Oliver Hazard Perry, and John Paul Jones come to mind.

 

[nokmirt]

Lord Nelson of course! But I agree naval heroes in general, I mean admiral, could be added. A little joke there.

 

[KrikkitTwo]

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[Eagle Pursuit]

I thought he was army.

 

[KrikkitTwo]

I thought he was army.

Right, I remember hearing somewhere he was navy. oh well

 

[Louis XXIV]

What does it take to be considered an Admiral? there are some great naval heroes that weren't admirals that would be fun to include. Stephan Decatur, Oliver Hazard Perry, and John Paul Jones come to mind.

I would include any naval commander. Distinctions by rank are artificial for Civ purposes.

 

[Morningcalm]

They should add Admiral Yi Sunshin. Or the Koreans will go crazy and make petitions (including me).

Nelson is a must as well.

 

[Louis XXIV]

You know you can mod in names you think should be included, right? Not everything needs an angry petition.

 

[Morningcalm]

You know that was a joke, right? But sure. Still, I don't see why they wouldn't include Yi Sunshin. Admiral Togo (Japan) himself praised Yi Sunshin, as did a number of others who knew he existed, including the foremost Western samurai expert, Stephen Turnbull: http://www.koreanhero.net/en/NationalHeroOfKorea.htm

It's true not as many people know of Yi Sunshin in the West compared to Zheng He, say, but he was well-known enough to be commonly featured in military history books covering naval combat, and he also appeared in Age of Empires 2 with his own scenario and hero unit. No reason not to include him, in my opinion. How hard would it be for Firaxis to add another name to a new list when, according to you, many prominent names have been split among other Great Person types (General, Merchant) already?

 

[Monthar]

Nimitz should be one.

 

[janboruta]

And Tegetthoff.

 

[Bowsling]

Winston Churchill, as First Lord of the Admiralty, was instrumental to Entente victory in the First World War. But I doubt they'll put him on the list. Too bad.

 

[space measurer]

Probably as little chance as we have of seeing Henry L Stimson appear as a great general.

 

[TImithius]

Piri Reis is always a good option

 

[fat_tonle]

Themisticles (Battle of 300, watch the History channel special). Forget how to spell it.

And who was the Korean guy with the turtle ships? Was he featured in the scenario?