Great Generals throughout history?

[Wrymouth3]

I know he served the gross Corsican Antichrist and all that jazz, but where do you guys think Louis Nicolas Davout goes on this list?

 

[Serutan]

- Subutai. Genghis khan and Ogedey military commander. Considered as the general who conquered larger territory than any other commander in history.
- Alexander Suvorov. Probably the most famous Russian general. 54 years of military service, never lost a battle, often fighting against superior enemy forces.

I would submit Zhukov is better known these days, at least outside Russia.

I'd throw K.K Rokossovsski's name into the ring.

I just can't see the greatness in Dugout Doug.

Also, no love for Arthur Wellesley here?

 

[red_elk]

I would submit Zhukov is better known these days, at least outside Russia.

I'd throw K.K Rokossovsski's name into the ring.

Right, Suvorov is much better known inside Russia than outside of it, that's why I mentioned him instead of well known and deservedly popular WW2 commanders (Zhukov, Vasilevsky, Rokossovsky...). He is credited for his combat record, his role in forming of Russian military traditions and some amazing victories.

 

[christos200]

Another good Chinese commander was Cao Cao.

 

[Wrymouth3]

Also, no love for Arthur Wellesley here?

Wellington would be much more likable if he decided not to burn violins. Burning people and books is one thing, but violins!? UNACCEPTABLE.

 

[Lord Baal]

Another good Chinese commander was Cao Cao.

Cao Cao has the advantage of writing about his own campaigns. I'm always wary of powerful people writing their own histories. He certainly seems to have been more capable than the average general of his time, that's for sure. If he wasn't, he wouldn't have become the premier warlord of his time.

 

[sophie]

Cao Cao has the advantage of writing about his own campaigns. I'm always wary of powerful people writing their own histories. He certainly seems to have been more capable than the average general of his time, that's for sure. If he wasn't, he wouldn't have become the premier warlord of his time.

Luo Guanzhong certainly wasn't too fond of him.

 

[Lord Baal]

Luo Guanzhong certainly wasn't too fond of him.

I'm afraid I'm unfamiliar with his statements regarding Cao Cao. Mocking his ridiculously bovinesque name?

 

[Wrymouth3]

I'm afraid I'm unfamiliar with his statements regarding Cao Cao. Mocking his ridiculously bovinesque name?

No, more like Cao Cao basically told his politicians and generals to order slaughterfests against certain minorities (See the Battle of White Wolf Mountain, and against a small revolt against him post Yellow Turban Rebellion). He also went ahead and threw that ridiculous Bronze Sparrow Pavilion festival, which could arguably be compared to the celebration that Reza Pahlavi threw in celebration of the 2500 year celebration of Iran. I think Guanzhong was probably more offended by the lavishness and corruption at Xuchang and Luoyang though.

 

[Dachs]

If Zeng Guofan weren't hanjian he'd probably be my favorite Chinese military commander.

 

[madviking]

I would submit Zhukov is better known these days, at least outside Russia.

I'd throw K.K Rokossovsski's name into the ring.

Speaking of Russian generals, Kutuzov. As Dachs has elucidated to me, he's the 2nd most responsible for Nappy's failure into Russia (the 1st being himself).

 

[paulcarri]

I would submit Zhukov is better known these days, at least outside Russia.

I'd throw K.K Rokossovsski's name into the ring.

I just can't see the greatness in Dugout Doug.

Also, no love for Arthur Wellesley here?

Theres love for the Duke here, i think his big strength was logistics to be honest.. People say he only defended, but that simply is not true..

 

[christos200]

Cao Cao has the advantage of writing about his own campaigns. I'm always wary of powerful people writing their own histories. He certainly seems to have been more capable than the average general of his time, that's for sure. If he wasn't, he wouldn't have become the premier warlord of his time.

Caesar also writen his own campaigns, but it is accepted that he was a Great General.

 

[paulcarri]

Wellington would be much more likable if he decided not to burn violins. Burning people and books is one thing, but violins!? UNACCEPTABLE.

lol wasnt that because kittys family said he was of too low standing to marry her or something?

what i find odd about wellington is he is most well known for waterloo, but himself considered assaye his 'best' battle

 

[paulcarri]

No, more like Cao Cao basically told his politicians and generals to order slaughterfests against certain minorities (See the Battle of White Wolf Mountain, and against a small revolt against him post Yellow Turban Rebellion). He also went ahead and threw that ridiculous Bronze Sparrow Pavilion festival, which could arguably be compared to the celebration that Reza Pahlavi threw in celebration of the 2500 year celebration of Iran. I think Guanzhong was probably more offended by the lavishness and corruption at Xuchang and Luoyang though.

Going to go read up on cao cao now...i only know him from playing dynasty warriors many years ago

 

[christos200]

By the way, I have found a documentary about Cao Cao:


Link to video.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

Major General Stanley certainly deserves our consideration:


Link to video.

 

[Wrymouth3]

lol wasnt that because kittys family said he was of too low standing to marry her or something?

what i find odd about wellington is he is most well known for waterloo, but himself considered assaye his 'best' battle

That's one of the stories, the other is that he wanted to play personally for her and she was so disgusted by his playing.

 

[JohannaK]

Sir John Monash

 

[SnowKomodo]

Gajah Mada has to be one of the greatest

He was also the Prime Minister, among other important titles.

He did a great job at balancing his acts of swift conquest with his acts of shrewd diplomacy

He only has one blotch on his record which was towards the end of his reign. Truly a great story of heroism, leadership and tragedy. I'm surprised the Western world hasn't made a movie on him as its a perfect story to tell. Equally interesting compared to Genghis Khan, Alexander, etc


I'm happy though, with globalization in full swing I don't have to put as much effort in spreading the word on Indonesian history. It seems that people are more aware than ever before