Great Quotes II: Source and Context are Key

[Gucumatz]

"I'll have those n***ers voting Democratic for the next 200 years"

- LBJ on Airforce one talking to a couple of southerners

 

[Kyriakos]

"`Ιδε αι Ιβύκου έκδικοι."

"Behold, the avengers of Ibykos"

Supposed to have been spoken in the crowded market of ancient Corinth near the end of the 6th century BC by one of the thieves to his sole partner, earlier murderers of the poet Ibykos outside of the city while a flock of large birds flew high above them, and the poet asked those to have revenge on his part.

 

[Thorvald of Lym]

"Rarely in the history of human conflict has it been argued that the entry of an additional foe would hurt one's enemy more than oneself; but Mussolini's Italy was, in that way at least, unique."

- Paul Kennedy, The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers

 

[madviking]

"All you need is love, love or, failing that, alcohol."

Wendy Cope

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

In brief, we have to replace dualities by unity, egoism by divine consciousness, ignorance by divine wisdom, thought by divine knowledge, weakness, struggle & effort by self-contented divine force, pain & false pleasure by divine bliss. This is called in the language of Christ bringing down the kingdom of heaven on earth, or in modern language, realising & effectuating God in the world.

Sri Aurobindo

 

[PhroX]

You know, I don't think I've understood a single one of those Sri Aurobindo quotes...

Anyway, can't remember where I read it, but I rather like this:

Do not meddle in the affairs of insomniacs, for they are cranky and are up while you sleep

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

You know, I don't think I've understood a single one of those Sri Aurobindo quotes...

Its actually pretty simple: Kingdom of Heaven on Earth can be realised if we go beyond and transcend duality, egoism and ignorance.

 

[PhroX]

Its actually pretty simple: Kingdom of Heaven on Earth can be realised if we go beyond and transcend duality, egoism and ignorance.

Then why didn't he just say that? Why put it in overcomplicated terms and language if it's such a simple message that you can sum up in a third of the words?

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

Then why didn't he just say that? Why put it in overcomplicated terms and language if it's such a simple message that you can sum up in a third of the words?

Its more explanatory and appealig to developed intelect and I am quite sure there may be other reason too. Sometimes you need to hear simmilar truth in differnent wording, angle or context to "ring the bell".

 

[Cutlass]

"I'll have those n***ers voting Democratic for the next 200 years"

- LBJ on Airforce one talking to a couple of southerners

citation needed

 

[classical_hero]

citation needed

http://commonsenseconspiracy.com/2012/10/lyndon-johnson-the-n-word-and-the-concept-of-the-democrat-plantation/

Meet Ronald Kessler. An American journalist who authored a book called Inside the White House that was released back in 1996. In the book, he had a few quotations that Lyndon Johnson supposedly made aboard Air Force One that raised quite a few eyebrows. Now, first of all, let’s remember that we have only Kessler’s word to go on. No one has ever corroborated these quotations, so there is always the chance that they were simply made up, embellished, or taken grossly out of context. However, historians generally agree that the comments seem to be right in character for Johnson, and no one has really protested or questioned the authenticity of the comments.

 

[Cutlass]

http://commonsenseconspiracy.com/2012/10/lyndon-johnson-the-n-word-and-the-concept-of-the-democrat-plantation/

Exactly. There is no citation from a news source. There is no citation from a historical source. There is only citations from political sources.

And that means it's just another one of those lies made up for the purpose of demonizing and discrediting who happen to be political enemies.

 

[Gucumatz]

Take it as you wish - it doesn't hurt/help LBJ's great image anyhow. Imagine how he had to work the Southern Democrats to get passage of Civil Rights legislation - its certainly not that out there considering some of the speeches he had to give regarding segregation when he was in the Senate in order to falsely convince the Southern Dems of his positions. Don't be afraid to compromise on anything basically

 

[classical_hero]

Exactly. There is no citation from a news source. There is no citation from a historical source. There is only citations from political sources.

And that means it's just another one of those lies made up for the purpose of demonizing and discrediting who happen to be political enemies.

No one has disputed the comment and many say it is in his character to say such a thing. You simply can't disprove that he didn't say it. If it was a lie then it woulld have been disproved already, but that hasn't happened.

 

[Borachio]

August 26, 1939, Dahlerus, a Swedish diplomat went to see Hitler just days before the invasion of Poland.

According to Shirer:

The Swede was now to confront for the first time the weird fantasies and terrible temper of the charismatic dictator. It was a shattering experience.

Hitler took no notice of the letter which Dahlerus had brought from Halifax and which had seemed important enough to Goering to have the Fuehrer woken up in the middle of the night. Instead, for twenty minutes he lectured the Swede on his early struggles, his great achievements and all his attempts to come to an understanding with the British. Next, when Dahlerus had got in a word about his having once lived in England as a worker, the Chancellor questioned him about the strange island and its strange people whom he had tried so vainly to understand. There followed a long and somewhat technical lecture of Germany's military might. By this time, Dahlerus says, he thought his visit "would not prove useful". In the end, however, the Swede seized an opportunity to tell his host something about the British as he had come to know them.

Dahlerus reported:

Hitler listened without interrupting me... but then suddenly got up, and becoming very excited and nervous, walked up and down saying, as though to himself, that Germany was irresistible... Suddenly he stopped in the middle of the room and stood there staring. His voice was blurred, and his behaviour that of a completely abnormal person. He spoke in staccato phrases: "If there should be war, then I shall build U-boats, build U-boats, U-boats, U-boats, U-boats." His voice became more indistinct and finally one could not follow him at all. Then he pulled himself together, raised his voice as though addressing a large audience and shrieked: "I shall build airplanes, build airplanes, airplanes, and I shall annihilate my enemies". He seemed more like a phantom from a storybook than a real person. I stared at him in amazement and turned to see how Goering was reacting, but he did not turn a hair.

Shirer continues:

Finally the excited Chancellor strode up to his guest and said, "Herr Dahlerus, you who know England so well, can you give me any reason for my perpetual failure to come to an agreement with her?" Dahlerus confesses that he "hesitated at first" to answer but then replied that in his personal opinion the British "lack of confidence in him and in his government was the reason."

"Idiots!" Dahlerus says Hitler stormed back, flinging out his right arm and striking his breast with his left hand. "Have I ever told a lie in my life?"

Spoiler :

Just one or two, Herr Hitler. One or two.

 

[ArneHD]

August 26, 1939, Dahlerus, a Swedish diplomat went to see Hitler just days before the invasion of Poland.

According to Shirer:

Dahlerus reported:

Shirer continues:

Spoiler :

Just one or two, Herr Hitler. One or two.

Where is this from? Do you have a link?

 

[say1988]

No one has disputed the comment and many say it is in his character to say such a thing. You simply can't disprove that he didn't say it. If it was a lie then it woulld have been disproved already, but that hasn't happened.

I am going to diagree, just because it hasn't been disproved yet doesn't mean it is true.

However, the lack of argument about it certainly indicates that people familiar with LBJ would believe that he would say something along those lines, and even if the words are fabricated the sentiment almost certainly isn't.

 

[Cutlass]

No one has disputed the comment and many say it is in his character to say such a thing. You simply can't disprove that he didn't say it. If it was a lie then it woulld have been disproved already, but that hasn't happened.

If it was true, it would exist at a reputable citation, not only at citations that have as their intent the discrediting of LBJ. The fact that you cannot come up with a reputable citation means that the only ethical thing to do is to assume it's not true.

 

[Flying Pig]

If it was true, it would exist at a reputable citation

I'm going to challenge this as a general principle. The reverse holds, but it is not necessary for its truth that it is reputably cited. I might have been the only person who heard it, for example, and I could be a staunch enemy of LBJ. My testimony would hardly be reliable, but it would be true. This is the nature of historical enquiry.

 

[Cutlass]

I'm going to challenge this as a general principle. The reverse holds, but it is not necessary for its truth that it is reputably cited. I might have been the only person who heard it, for example, and I could be a staunch enemy of LBJ. My testimony would hardly be reliable, but it would be true. This is the nature of historical enquiry.

I don't mean just having more proof that it was said. But google the quote and look at where it is reported.

First google hit: forums.civfanatics.com › COLOSSEUM › Off-Topic: The Tavern
Oct 28, 2013 - 12 posts - 8 authors
2nd hit: forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/.../msg1022080311086.html?50
3rd hit: www.volconvo.com › Forum › Debate Forums › Politics & Government

A little more work, and you find in on freerepublic.

What you do not find is any reputable news organization reporting it. What you do not find is any reputable biographical site on LBJ saying it. What you do not find is any reputable site on history or politics saying it.

In short, you do not have a source for the quote other than people who have as an agenda the discrediting of LBJ's legacy.