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Great Statesmen names

For a lot of civs, in a lot of eras, it is impossible to distinguish rulers, politicians, warlords and generals!
 
That's true! Fortunately we don't have to submit ourselves to rigorous standards over here.
 
Frohe Weihnachten Leo (Merry christmas everyone!)

Just overflying the names in here and some suggestions and thoughts:
- I really think Lenin should be a great statesman for Russia. Our opinions may differ about the wrong and right of his deeds, fact is that he changed the russian state like very few people ever did.

- Rome: Nobody got Pompeius on his list? If Cicero gets mentioned (dude even dont had any true power avaible to him, unlike Crassus or Pompeius as Triumvirats), he definately should be considered a great statesman. I would love to see Marc Anton as well, but he might fit better as Great General. Think I would also include Sulla and two of the better roman emperors, maybe Trajan and Diocletian.

- I will include a list for german and roman statesman later, but I think Brandt (as he initiated accomodation towards the DDR) and Merkel (I just like the fact a female GP is possible, besides she is considered one of the most powerful women worldwide at the moment) should be in.

- Are we searching for a Great Statesman for Germany who did not worked after WWII? Look no further than to Ludwig Windthorst.
Though he had no actual power (similar to Cicero for example), he was probably the only politician who was even able to touch Bismarck from his low position as member of the Reichstag (who did not really had to say something at that time). He is remembered as one of the greatest orators at his time and as leading represantant of the Zentrum party, his inclusion would add another part of German history. With his speeches and the support of Zentrum, he was one of the few politicians (that were not Bismark himself) who were able to change things at least a bit to their ideas.
 
Byzantium:

*Theodosios the Great, adopted christianity as state religion
*Trivonianos, it should be Justinian I, but since Justinian is LH, Tribonian, the chief official instead. Arch-editor of Corpus Juris Civilis, the byzantine law
*Irakleios: emperor, reformed the themata (byzantine duchies)
*Theodora (wife of Theophiloss) empress, ended iconoclasm once and for all
*Leon the wise, emperor, translated byzantine law in Greek and added new laws (nearai)
*Michail VIII Palaiologos, general and emperor, rivived Byzantine empire
 
Updated the list of covered civilizations. Brackets mean that a couple of names have been suggested, but not enough have enough names.

Of course you can keep suggesting names for the mentioned civilizations as well, this is just to guide you in case you are looking for civs that still require names.
 
Some Canadians from the other thread:

Wookieemeat said:
Great Statesmen:

Canada:

Gen. Romeo Dallaire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rom%C3%A9o_Dallaire)- Attempted to warn UN of Rwanda genocide, now a human rights activist and senator

George-étienne Cartier (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George-%C3%89tienne_Cartier)- Founding Father, helped unite French and English Canadians

Tommy Douglas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Douglas)- Premier of Saskatchewan, father of Canadian Medicare

Rene Levesque (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9_L%C3%A9vesque)- First Separatist Premier of Quebec

Louis Riel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Riel)- Founder of Manitoba, led the Red River Rebellion against the federal government

Clifford Sifton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clifford_Sifton)- Minister of the Interior under Wilfrid Laurier, helped settle the Western provinces with immigration policies and land giveaways

Jean Lesage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Lesage)- Premier of Quebec who reformed civil service, created secular education systems, called for Quebecois to be "masters of their own house"
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Thanks, I suppose that is enough to un-bracket Canada.
 
Sorry to step in so late but I saw a few rulers in the great Statesmen names for some european countries, like Saint-Louis who is closer to a LH than just a statesman IMO. Also I spotted the name of François Mitterand in the French list, I think modern presidents should get the same treatment as monarchs. So I'd propose replacing him with Robert Badinter who served as his minister of justice and abolished the death penalty in France.
 
I don't see why a monarch/head of state who isn't already a leaderhead should be excluded; we already have plenty of precedents in the other GP categories.
 
I mentioned something to that extent in the contest thread. It's not as much of a hard rule, but I want to discourage you from just prying names off a list of monarchs/presidents.

They can be great statesmen, but usually should only be included by some virtue beyond being a successful leader of their country. Just relying on heads of state usually results in neglecting much more interesting candidates. I prefer Talleyrand to Napoleon (if he weren't a LH already anyway) and John Locke to say Disraeli.

In short, the more examples of competent ministers, diplomats, reformers, political philosophers and political activists I get, the better. Despite the name "statesmen", these people also don't need to hold office in the state. Someone like Simone de Beauvoir is a perfectly fine statesman for the influence she had on political thought.

This is mainly to help immersion. When playing, I think it is more immersive to think of yourself as whatever the governing body of your civilization currently is, and ordering kings and presidents around kind of breaks that. It's more fun to make use of the other people involved in politics in some way.

Of course, when examples are more pre-modern, most civs rely entirely on people located somewhere within the nobility and so on to run their states, or we lack historical records on who besides the king was involved in government. In these cases we can be more lenient, but I'd like to avoid this as much as possible.
 
Arabia/Moors

Yazid ibn al-Muhallab (672–720) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yazid_ibn_al-Muhallab
Khalid al-Qasri (-743) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_al-Qasri
Al-Jahiz (776-869) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Jahiz
Ibn Zafar (1104-1170), Machiavelli's Arab precursor http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Zafar
Izz al-Din Usama (12th-century) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izz_al-Din_Usama
Ibn al-Khatib (1313-1374) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_al-Khatib
Ibn Khaldun (1332-1406), considered one of the first economists http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Khaldun
 
American Great Statesman: George Kennan.

He was the architect of America's Cold War containment policy, as well as an Ambassador to Russia and Yugoslavia. Oh, and The Marshall Plan was his brain child.
 
Names updated.

Civilizations without names as of now:
  • Egypt
  • Babylonia
  • Phoenicia
  • Persia
  • Polynesia
  • Ethiopia
  • Tibet
  • Khmer
  • Inca
  • Mongolia
  • Aztecs
  • Iran
  • Colombia
  • Brazil
 
Egypt

After a short and incomplete research, trying to avoid "simple" pharaohs:

Kagemni I (26th century BC), vizier of both pharaohs Huni and Sneferu, author of the Instructions of Kagemni http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kagemni
Amenemhat I (20th century BC), first pharaoh of the Twelfth Dynasty, author of the Instructions of Amenemhat http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amenemhat_I
Hatshepsut (1508–1458 BC), the most important female pharaoh. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatshepsut
Amenemope (12th century BC), scribe, author of the Instructions of Amenemope http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amenemope_(author)
Herihor (11th century BC), High Priest of Amun and vizier of Ramsese XI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herihor
 
Aztecs

Some rulers not yet included in other GP lists:

Acamapichtli (reign 1376–1395), founder of the Aztecs imperial dinasty http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acamapichtli
Quaquapitzahuac (?-1407), the first ruler of Tlatelolco http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaquapitzahuac
Tezozomoctli (reign 1418–1430), ruler of Cuauhtitlan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tezozomoctli_(Cuauhtitlan)
Nezahualcoyotl (1402-1472), philosopher, warrior, architect, poet and ruler, the most fitting statesman http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nezahualcoyotl#Politics.2C_Government.2C_and_Legal_System
Nezahualpilli (1464–1515), ruler of Texcoco http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nezahualpilli
 
Phoenicia

Astarymus (reign 888 – 880 BC), king of Tyre http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astarymus
Pygmalion (reign 831 BC – 785 BC), king of Tyre http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pygmalion_of_Tyre
Dido (814 – c. 760 BC), founder and first Queen of Carthage http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dido_(Queen_of_Carthage)
Hanno the Great (4th century) militar and politician in Carthage http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanno_the_Great
Azelmicus, king of Tyre during its siege by Alexander the Great in 332 BC http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azemilcus,_King_of_Tyre
 
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