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Great Statesmen names
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Korea Great Statesmen :
(Edited and deleted some, so sorry for the incorrect number countings)
Kingdom of Gojoseon (2333BC? - 108BC) :
1. Dangun Wanggeom
- First king in Korean history.
Three Kingdoms Period (57BC - 935AD) :
2. King Dongmyeong of Goguryeo (Go Ju-mong)
- First king of Goguryeo
3. Myunglim Dapbu
- Prime minister of Goguryeo, struggle against Han empire
4. King Geunchogo of Baekje (Yeo Gu)
- Ruled golden age of Baekje, leading economic zone of Japan, south/west Korea, and Liaoxi
5. King Jangsu of Goguryeo (Go Geo-ryeon)
- Son of Gwanggaeto the great, conquered south and stabilized Goguryeo's vast territory
6. King Jinhung of Silla (Kim Sim-maek-bu?)
- Ruled first golden age of Silla, reformed internal systems and conquered Han river
7. Queen Seondeok of Silla (Kim Deok-man)
- Supported science(astronomical devices) and increased basic national capacity of Silla
8. Bidam
- Influential politician during Queen Seondeok's era
9. Yeon Gae-so-mun = also appropriate for GG
- Politician and general of Goguryeo. Goguryeo was collapsed by Silla and Tang after his death.
10. Taejong Muyeol of Silla (Kim Chun-chu)
- Diplomat and king of Silla. His diplomatic successes helped Silla to unify three kingdoms.
11. Kim Yu-shin = also appropriate for GG
- Influential politician and general of Silla during unification war period
Kingdom of Goryeo (918AD - 1392AD) :
12. Taejo of Goryeo (Wang Kon) = also appropriate for GG
- LH in Civ4. Reunified Korean peninsula and established first nation with "Korean" identity.
13. Gwangjong of Goryeo (Wang So)
- Introduced examination sys for bureaucrats from China. Centralized power by cruel purging.
14. Seo Hui
- Diplomat who had stopped first Khitan invasion only by words and negotiations.
15. Kim Bu-sik = also appropriate for GA
- Influential politician and historian during mid-Goryeo dynasty.
16. King Gongmin of Goryeo (Wang Jeon)
- Fought back against Mongolia and reformed vassalized Goryeo to an independent state.
17. Choi Yeong = also appropriate for GG
- General acted near northern borderline and fought against Yi Seong-gye's Coup d'État.
18. Jeong Mong-ju
- Loyal politician who had fought against Yi Seong-gye's Coup d'État.
Kingdom of Joseon, Early period (1392AD - 1592AD) :
19. Jeong Do-jeon
- Founding father of Joseon, later killed by Taejong because he opposed tributes toward China
20. Taejong of Joseon (Yi Bang-won)
- Stabilized newborn Joseon and establish peaceful relations with surrounding countries
21. Sejong the Great of Joseon (Yi Do) = also appropriate for GA, GS
- LH in Civ 5. Outstanding king in Korean history. Made Korean alphabets, supported science & engineering.
- He also reformed military with gunpowders, and enhanced life quality of general people.
22. Hwang Hui
- High bureaucrat during Sejong's reign with integrity and superior administration capacities.
23. Maeng Sa-seong
- High bureaucrat during Sejong's reign. Good at making agreements between opposing parties.
24. Seong Sam-mun
- Loyal scholar of the Jade Hall. Later purged by Sejo because he opposed Sejo's revolt.
25. Kim Jong-seo = also appropriate for GG
- General known as the 'northern tiger'. Later purged by Sejo because he opposed his revolt.
26. Sejo of Joseon (Yi Yu)
- King's cousin who had revolted against the king, but his reign was golden age of Joseon.
27. Jo Gwang-jo
- Political reformer during mid-Joseon dynasty. Later discarded by his king.
28. Yi Yi = also appropriate for GP
- Philosopher who had led one major school of Seongrihak, and political party leader as well.
29. Yi Hwang = also appropriate for GP
- Philosopher who had led other major school of Seongrihak(≒Confucianism).
Kingdom of Joseon, Late period (1592AD - 1897AD) :
30. Ryu Seong-ryong
- High bureaucrat during Japanese invasion of Korea(Imjin war) period.
31. Hong Gyeong-rae
- Leader of civil revolt, called "Revolt of Hong Gyeong-rae".
32. Yeongjo of Joseon (Yi Gum)
- King of Joseon who had successfully led the last golden age of Joseon.
33. Jeongjo of Joseon (Yi San)
- Grandson of Yeongjo, who also had successfully led the last golden age of Joseon.
34. Jeong Yak-yong = also appropriate for GE, GP
- Famous scholar, philosopher, engineer, and politician of late Joseon dynasty.
Korean Empire (1897AD - 1910AD) :
35. Choe Je-u = also appropriate for GP
- Created Donghak(東學, eastern teaches), motivated by western teaches(Christianity).
36. Jeon Bong-jun
- Successor of Choe Je-u as a leader of Donghak peasant revolution
37. Hungseon Daewongun (Li Ha-eung)
- Father of Gojong, conservative politician who had fought against continuous European invasions.
38. Kim Ok-gyun
- Managed political reformation which targeted modernization of Joseon.
40. Kim Hong-jip
- Managed political reformation which targeted modernization of Joseon.
41. Ahn Jung-geun
- Assassinated Ito Hirobumi, Japanese prime minister at that time who tried to colonize Korea.
- He also tried to establish a cooperative union among Korea, Japan, and China (like modern-day EU).
Japanese Colonial Period and US/USSR military period (1910AD - 1948AD) :
42. Kim Gu
- Independence movement leader who is greatly respected in both Koreas.
- Contributed to the Korean provisional government and organized assassination of many Japanese high bureaucrats.
45. Ahn Chang-ho = also appropriate for GA, GP
- Independence fighter, poet, writer, and nationalistic educator during the colonial period.
47. Yeo Yun-hyeong
- Independence movement leader during the colonial period. After independence, he tried to make a deal between communist and capitalist parties to prevent the division of Korea.
48. Yi Seung-man
- Contributed to the independence by diplomatic relations with US, first president of Korea Rep.
49. Kim Il-sung
- Contributed to the independence by diplomatic relations with USSR, first leader of DPRK.
50. Kim Gyu-sik
- Member of Korean provisional government, and also tried to prevent the division of Korea.
Modern Korea (1948AD - present) :
52. Park Heon-yeong
- One of the most famous Korean communist, but later purged by Kim Il-sung in North Korea.
53. Park Jeong-hee
- 5th to 9th president of South Korea, was a dictator but greatly developed Korean economy.
54. Jang Jun-ha
- Known as 'president of minor party'. Fought for independence and democracy for whole life.
55. Kim Dae-jung
- 15th president of South Korea, famous for democratic movement and sunshine policy, won a Nobel peace prize in 2000.
(Edited and deleted some, so sorry for the incorrect number countings)
Kingdom of Gojoseon (2333BC? - 108BC) :
1. Dangun Wanggeom
- First king in Korean history.
Three Kingdoms Period (57BC - 935AD) :
2. King Dongmyeong of Goguryeo (Go Ju-mong)
- First king of Goguryeo
3. Myunglim Dapbu
- Prime minister of Goguryeo, struggle against Han empire
4. King Geunchogo of Baekje (Yeo Gu)
- Ruled golden age of Baekje, leading economic zone of Japan, south/west Korea, and Liaoxi
5. King Jangsu of Goguryeo (Go Geo-ryeon)
- Son of Gwanggaeto the great, conquered south and stabilized Goguryeo's vast territory
6. King Jinhung of Silla (Kim Sim-maek-bu?)
- Ruled first golden age of Silla, reformed internal systems and conquered Han river
7. Queen Seondeok of Silla (Kim Deok-man)
- Supported science(astronomical devices) and increased basic national capacity of Silla
8. Bidam
- Influential politician during Queen Seondeok's era
9. Yeon Gae-so-mun = also appropriate for GG
- Politician and general of Goguryeo. Goguryeo was collapsed by Silla and Tang after his death.
10. Taejong Muyeol of Silla (Kim Chun-chu)
- Diplomat and king of Silla. His diplomatic successes helped Silla to unify three kingdoms.
11. Kim Yu-shin = also appropriate for GG
- Influential politician and general of Silla during unification war period
Kingdom of Goryeo (918AD - 1392AD) :
12. Taejo of Goryeo (Wang Kon) = also appropriate for GG
- LH in Civ4. Reunified Korean peninsula and established first nation with "Korean" identity.
13. Gwangjong of Goryeo (Wang So)
- Introduced examination sys for bureaucrats from China. Centralized power by cruel purging.
14. Seo Hui
- Diplomat who had stopped first Khitan invasion only by words and negotiations.
15. Kim Bu-sik = also appropriate for GA
- Influential politician and historian during mid-Goryeo dynasty.
16. King Gongmin of Goryeo (Wang Jeon)
- Fought back against Mongolia and reformed vassalized Goryeo to an independent state.
17. Choi Yeong = also appropriate for GG
- General acted near northern borderline and fought against Yi Seong-gye's Coup d'État.
18. Jeong Mong-ju
- Loyal politician who had fought against Yi Seong-gye's Coup d'État.
Kingdom of Joseon, Early period (1392AD - 1592AD) :
19. Jeong Do-jeon
- Founding father of Joseon, later killed by Taejong because he opposed tributes toward China
20. Taejong of Joseon (Yi Bang-won)
- Stabilized newborn Joseon and establish peaceful relations with surrounding countries
21. Sejong the Great of Joseon (Yi Do) = also appropriate for GA, GS
- LH in Civ 5. Outstanding king in Korean history. Made Korean alphabets, supported science & engineering.
- He also reformed military with gunpowders, and enhanced life quality of general people.
22. Hwang Hui
- High bureaucrat during Sejong's reign with integrity and superior administration capacities.
23. Maeng Sa-seong
- High bureaucrat during Sejong's reign. Good at making agreements between opposing parties.
24. Seong Sam-mun
- Loyal scholar of the Jade Hall. Later purged by Sejo because he opposed Sejo's revolt.
25. Kim Jong-seo = also appropriate for GG
- General known as the 'northern tiger'. Later purged by Sejo because he opposed his revolt.
26. Sejo of Joseon (Yi Yu)
- King's cousin who had revolted against the king, but his reign was golden age of Joseon.
27. Jo Gwang-jo
- Political reformer during mid-Joseon dynasty. Later discarded by his king.
28. Yi Yi = also appropriate for GP
- Philosopher who had led one major school of Seongrihak, and political party leader as well.
29. Yi Hwang = also appropriate for GP
- Philosopher who had led other major school of Seongrihak(≒Confucianism).
Kingdom of Joseon, Late period (1592AD - 1897AD) :
30. Ryu Seong-ryong
- High bureaucrat during Japanese invasion of Korea(Imjin war) period.
31. Hong Gyeong-rae
- Leader of civil revolt, called "Revolt of Hong Gyeong-rae".
32. Yeongjo of Joseon (Yi Gum)
- King of Joseon who had successfully led the last golden age of Joseon.
33. Jeongjo of Joseon (Yi San)
- Grandson of Yeongjo, who also had successfully led the last golden age of Joseon.
34. Jeong Yak-yong = also appropriate for GE, GP
- Famous scholar, philosopher, engineer, and politician of late Joseon dynasty.
Korean Empire (1897AD - 1910AD) :
35. Choe Je-u = also appropriate for GP
- Created Donghak(東學, eastern teaches), motivated by western teaches(Christianity).
36. Jeon Bong-jun
- Successor of Choe Je-u as a leader of Donghak peasant revolution
37. Hungseon Daewongun (Li Ha-eung)
- Father of Gojong, conservative politician who had fought against continuous European invasions.
38. Kim Ok-gyun
- Managed political reformation which targeted modernization of Joseon.
40. Kim Hong-jip
- Managed political reformation which targeted modernization of Joseon.
41. Ahn Jung-geun
- Assassinated Ito Hirobumi, Japanese prime minister at that time who tried to colonize Korea.
- He also tried to establish a cooperative union among Korea, Japan, and China (like modern-day EU).
Japanese Colonial Period and US/USSR military period (1910AD - 1948AD) :
42. Kim Gu
- Independence movement leader who is greatly respected in both Koreas.
- Contributed to the Korean provisional government and organized assassination of many Japanese high bureaucrats.
45. Ahn Chang-ho = also appropriate for GA, GP
- Independence fighter, poet, writer, and nationalistic educator during the colonial period.
47. Yeo Yun-hyeong
- Independence movement leader during the colonial period. After independence, he tried to make a deal between communist and capitalist parties to prevent the division of Korea.
48. Yi Seung-man
- Contributed to the independence by diplomatic relations with US, first president of Korea Rep.
49. Kim Il-sung
- Contributed to the independence by diplomatic relations with USSR, first leader of DPRK.
50. Kim Gyu-sik
- Member of Korean provisional government, and also tried to prevent the division of Korea.
Modern Korea (1948AD - present) :
52. Park Heon-yeong
- One of the most famous Korean communist, but later purged by Kim Il-sung in North Korea.
53. Park Jeong-hee
- 5th to 9th president of South Korea, was a dictator but greatly developed Korean economy.
54. Jang Jun-ha
- Known as 'president of minor party'. Fought for independence and democracy for whole life.
55. Kim Dae-jung
- 15th president of South Korea, famous for democratic movement and sunshine policy, won a Nobel peace prize in 2000.
Chep
Emperor
For Indonesia
- Chep the Dominant
lead Indonesia several times to global domination, not only repelled the Euro-invaders from Asia but also regularly colonized the Americas before them.
- Adam Malik
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Malik vice president, senior diplomat and pioneer of Indonesian journalism
- Sukarno
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukarno leader of independence movement vs Dutch, first president
- Mohammad Hatta
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Hatta basically same as Sukarno, became vize-president
- Purnawarman (maybe)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarumanagara#Age_of_Purnawarman King of Java&37more islands, ~500AD, first real ruler over Indonesia
- Parameswara
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parameswara_(sultan) Last King of Singapura, founded Malacca
- Gajah Mada (maybe better as General)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gajah_Mada prime minister of Majapahit Empire, brought it to the peak of its glory, national hero in today's Indonesia
(definitely more of a GG: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sultan_Agung_of_Mataram )
- Mahmud Badaruddin II
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmud_Badaruddin_II (not much info given, but he fought the British and is regarded as national hero until today)
For Japan
(Hirohito, the Tokugawas & Nobunaga are leaders, right? else might be considered as well)
- Shōtoku Taishi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Shōtoku & http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asuka_period#The_Soga_clan_and_Sh.C5.8Dtoku_Taishi "semi-legendary regent & politician"
- Fujiwara no Kamatari
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fujiwara_no_Kamatari launched the Taika reforms, basically switching Japans civics to Absolutism
- (Emperor) Kanmu
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Kanmu "Kanmu was an active emperor who attempted to consolidate government hierarchies and functioning."started the "Heian Period", moved the Capitol to Kyoto
- Emperor Go-Sanjō
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Go-Sanjō
- Taira no Kiyomori
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taira_no_Kiyomori established first Samurai-dominated government
- Minamoto no Yoritomo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minamoto_no_Yoritomo first Shogun of Japan, implemented many feudal reforms
(- Oda Nobunaga (if not leader)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oda_Nobunaga )
-Toyotomi Hideyoshi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyotomi_Hideyoshi "regarded as Japans 2nd great unifier"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azuchi–Momoyama_period#Japan_under_Hideyoshi
- Abe Masahiro
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abe_Masahiro opened up Japan to the west
- Emperor Meiji
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Meiji presided over change from feudal state to capitalist world power
- Kido Takayoshi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kido_Takayoshi initiated policies of centralization & modernization learned in the west
- Ōkubo_Toshimichi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ōkubo_Toshimichi "regarded as one of the founders of modern Japan"
- Chep the Dominant
lead Indonesia several times to global domination, not only repelled the Euro-invaders from Asia but also regularly colonized the Americas before them.
- Adam Malik
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Malik vice president, senior diplomat and pioneer of Indonesian journalism
- Sukarno
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukarno leader of independence movement vs Dutch, first president
- Mohammad Hatta
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Hatta basically same as Sukarno, became vize-president
- Purnawarman (maybe)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarumanagara#Age_of_Purnawarman King of Java&37more islands, ~500AD, first real ruler over Indonesia
- Parameswara
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parameswara_(sultan) Last King of Singapura, founded Malacca
- Gajah Mada (maybe better as General)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gajah_Mada prime minister of Majapahit Empire, brought it to the peak of its glory, national hero in today's Indonesia
(definitely more of a GG: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sultan_Agung_of_Mataram )
- Mahmud Badaruddin II
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmud_Badaruddin_II (not much info given, but he fought the British and is regarded as national hero until today)
For Japan
(Hirohito, the Tokugawas & Nobunaga are leaders, right? else might be considered as well)
- Shōtoku Taishi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Shōtoku & http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asuka_period#The_Soga_clan_and_Sh.C5.8Dtoku_Taishi "semi-legendary regent & politician"
- Fujiwara no Kamatari
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fujiwara_no_Kamatari launched the Taika reforms, basically switching Japans civics to Absolutism
- (Emperor) Kanmu
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Kanmu "Kanmu was an active emperor who attempted to consolidate government hierarchies and functioning."started the "Heian Period", moved the Capitol to Kyoto
- Emperor Go-Sanjō
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Go-Sanjō
Spoiler :
- Taira no Kiyomori
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taira_no_Kiyomori established first Samurai-dominated government
- Minamoto no Yoritomo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minamoto_no_Yoritomo first Shogun of Japan, implemented many feudal reforms
(- Oda Nobunaga (if not leader)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oda_Nobunaga )
-Toyotomi Hideyoshi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyotomi_Hideyoshi "regarded as Japans 2nd great unifier"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azuchi–Momoyama_period#Japan_under_Hideyoshi
- Abe Masahiro
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abe_Masahiro opened up Japan to the west
- Emperor Meiji
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Meiji presided over change from feudal state to capitalist world power
- Kido Takayoshi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kido_Takayoshi initiated policies of centralization & modernization learned in the west
- Ōkubo_Toshimichi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ōkubo_Toshimichi "regarded as one of the founders of modern Japan"
Panopticon
Utilitarian
CONGO
Kalala Ilunga (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalala_Ilunga) - local monarch in the southern part of the modern DRC in the early 17th century
Mwata Yamvo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mwata_Yamvo) - founder of the Lunda Kingdom near Katanga in the second half of the 17th century
Ng'anga Bilonda - founder of the Kazembe kingdom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazembe), ally of Mwata Yamvo
Msiri (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Msiri) - local ruler who created a large kingdom based in Katanga during the Free State period
Patrice Lumumba (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrice_Lumumba) - DRC independence leader, first prime minister
Joseph Kasa-Vubu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Kasa-Vubu) - DRC independence agitator, first president, Bakongo political leader
MALI
Askia Muhammad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Askia_Mohammad_I) - significant consolidator of the Songhai Empire in the 16th century. Currently a great general, but perhaps should rather be a statesman.
Bitòn Coulibaly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitòn_Coulibaly) - founder of an empire in central Mali in the 18th century
Samori Touré (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samori_Ture) - founder of a Mandinka state, great enemy of the French during the late 1800s
Modibo Keïta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modibo_Keïta) - socialist, government minister in France, first president of Mali, imprisoned by the subsequent dictatorship
Alpha Oumar Konaré (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_Oumar_Konaré) - minister under the dictatorship and later the first democratic president
AMERICA - apart from the obvious Founding Fathers and so on, it would be unfair to omit:
Thomas Paine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Paine) - radical propagandist, immigrant from England, advocate of the American and French Revolutions, author of "Common Sense" and "The Rights of Man"
Frederick Douglass (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Douglass) - self-freed and self-taught former slave, turned internationally-acclaimed master of anti-slavery, African-American rights, and women's rights oratory
Eleanor Roosevelt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleanor_Roosevelt) - social progressive, civil rights activist, drafter of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, First Lady of the United States
Kalala Ilunga (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalala_Ilunga) - local monarch in the southern part of the modern DRC in the early 17th century
Mwata Yamvo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mwata_Yamvo) - founder of the Lunda Kingdom near Katanga in the second half of the 17th century
Ng'anga Bilonda - founder of the Kazembe kingdom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazembe), ally of Mwata Yamvo
Msiri (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Msiri) - local ruler who created a large kingdom based in Katanga during the Free State period
Patrice Lumumba (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrice_Lumumba) - DRC independence leader, first prime minister
Joseph Kasa-Vubu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Kasa-Vubu) - DRC independence agitator, first president, Bakongo political leader
MALI
Askia Muhammad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Askia_Mohammad_I) - significant consolidator of the Songhai Empire in the 16th century. Currently a great general, but perhaps should rather be a statesman.
Bitòn Coulibaly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitòn_Coulibaly) - founder of an empire in central Mali in the 18th century
Samori Touré (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samori_Ture) - founder of a Mandinka state, great enemy of the French during the late 1800s
Modibo Keïta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modibo_Keïta) - socialist, government minister in France, first president of Mali, imprisoned by the subsequent dictatorship
Alpha Oumar Konaré (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_Oumar_Konaré) - minister under the dictatorship and later the first democratic president
AMERICA - apart from the obvious Founding Fathers and so on, it would be unfair to omit:
Thomas Paine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Paine) - radical propagandist, immigrant from England, advocate of the American and French Revolutions, author of "Common Sense" and "The Rights of Man"
Frederick Douglass (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Douglass) - self-freed and self-taught former slave, turned internationally-acclaimed master of anti-slavery, African-American rights, and women's rights oratory
Eleanor Roosevelt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleanor_Roosevelt) - social progressive, civil rights activist, drafter of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, First Lady of the United States
baseballpie
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I feel that there are some names who should be on this list more than others.
Madison,
Jefferson,
Hamilton (Could almost be a GM),
Kissinger are all for sure.
Kennedy and Reagan are good, but IIRC you said you didn't want many presidents.
John Adams (links to come) - 2nd president, prevented outright war after the XYZ Affair, prominent Massachusetts lawyer previous to the revolution (He defended the British soldiers after the Boston Massacre)
James Otis - Massachusetts patriot and coiner of the slogan "No taxation without Representation"
Patrick Henry - Fierce Virginia patriot who said, "Give me liberty or give me death!"
Roger Sherman - Connecticut delegate to the Constitutional Convention who came up with the Great Compromise
Benjamin Franklin - Probably the founding father who had the greatest impact on America, excluding Washington and maybe Jefferson
Martin Luther King Jr. - Famous Civil Rights activist (Maybe Malcolm X, too?)
Teddy Roosevelt - the guy who told you to carry a big stick and was the namesake of teddy bears
Lyndon Johnson?
Woodrow Wilson?
If you want suffragettes:
Susan B. Anthony
Elizabeth Cady Stanton
Sojourner Truth
Belva Ann Lockwood (16th President of the U.S.
)Panopticon's 3 were really good, too
Panopticon
Utilitarian
ROME
Publicola (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Publius_Valerius_Publicola) - early consul in 509 BC, reformed the Senate and consulate
Cincinnatus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucius_Quinctius_Cincinnatus) - consul c. 460 BC, later famous for first becoming dictator to defend Rome and then giving up absolute power after victory to go back to his farm, thus becoming the embodiment of Roman historic civic virtue
Quintus Hortensius (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quintus_Hortensius_(dictator)) - dictator who allowed the plebs' resolutions ("plebiscites") to apply to patricians as binding law
Sulla (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulla) - consul, insurrectionist, dictator and legal reformer who codified the constitution of the late Republic
Cicero - consul, incomparable author, lawyer, politician, Republican martyr, famous opponent of Catiline. Currently a great scientist, but should definitely be a statesman instead.
Cato - same as Cicero, currently great scientist, should be statesman
Publicola (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Publius_Valerius_Publicola) - early consul in 509 BC, reformed the Senate and consulate
Cincinnatus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucius_Quinctius_Cincinnatus) - consul c. 460 BC, later famous for first becoming dictator to defend Rome and then giving up absolute power after victory to go back to his farm, thus becoming the embodiment of Roman historic civic virtue
Quintus Hortensius (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quintus_Hortensius_(dictator)) - dictator who allowed the plebs' resolutions ("plebiscites") to apply to patricians as binding law
Sulla (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulla) - consul, insurrectionist, dictator and legal reformer who codified the constitution of the late Republic
Cicero - consul, incomparable author, lawyer, politician, Republican martyr, famous opponent of Catiline. Currently a great scientist, but should definitely be a statesman instead.
Cato - same as Cicero, currently great scientist, should be statesman
DC123456789
Deity
A couple of Canadians that haven't been mentioned yet:
Sir John A. Macdonald - Probably the most important of the Fathers of Confederation and basically their leader, who then went on to become Canada's second longest serving PM and arguably its greatest, having basically built the entire nation as we know it.
Lester B. Pearson - Canada's 14th Prime Minister, most notable for resolving the Suez Crisis and inventing peacekeeping, winning him Canada's only Nobel Peace Prize. Also introduced several important social programs and Canada's current flag as PM.
Sir John A. Macdonald - Probably the most important of the Fathers of Confederation and basically their leader, who then went on to become Canada's second longest serving PM and arguably its greatest, having basically built the entire nation as we know it.
Lester B. Pearson - Canada's 14th Prime Minister, most notable for resolving the Suez Crisis and inventing peacekeeping, winning him Canada's only Nobel Peace Prize. Also introduced several important social programs and Canada's current flag as PM.
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For France: Jean-Jacques Rosseau: Emphasized human rights, wrote about the best form of government, destroyed the doctrine of might makes right.
Russia: Ivan III: Formed basis for Tsarist Russia by adopting Christianity, reformed legal code.
Yaroslav the Wise (Technically Kiev): Removed trial by ordeal and updated legal code.
Russia: Ivan III: Formed basis for Tsarist Russia by adopting Christianity, reformed legal code.
Yaroslav the Wise (Technically Kiev): Removed trial by ordeal and updated legal code.
ales_
Heir
Tokugawa is not a leader.
Panopticon
Utilitarian
Some modern-era suggestions.
JAPAN
Shigeru Yoshida (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shigeru_Yoshida) - pro-Western diplomat, prime minister during the Occupation
Eisaku Sato (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eisaku_Satō) - significant cabinet secretary, prime minister, anti-nuclear advocate, Nobel Peace laureate
MUGHALS
Choudhry Ali (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choudhry_Rahmat_Ali) - Muslim nationalist, creator of the Pakistan idea
Muhammad Ali Jinnah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ali_Jinnah) - Muslim nationalist, Governor-General of Pakistan at the end of British rule
ARGENTINA
Estanislao Zeballos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estanislao_Zeballos) - very prominent author, politician, minister for justice and foreign affairs in the decades before and after 1900
Carlos Saavedra Lamas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Saavedra_Lamas) - foreign minister during the 1930s, brought Argentina back to the League of Nations, negotiated peace between Paraguay and Bolivia
Juan Atilio Bramuglia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Atilio_Bramuglia) - Socialist lawyer, Peronist foreign minister, advocate of Cold War crisis negotiation, opponent of Evita
Estela Barnes de Carlotto (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estela_Barnes_de_Carlotto) - human rights campaigner against disappearances during the military dictatorship of the 1970s
NORSE
N.F.S. Grundtvig (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N._F._S._Grundtvig) - Danish, nationalist, religious and social thinker in the early-mid 1800s
Dag Hammarskjöld (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dag_Hammarskjöld) - Swedish, UN Secretary-General in the 50s
JAPAN
Shigeru Yoshida (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shigeru_Yoshida) - pro-Western diplomat, prime minister during the Occupation
Eisaku Sato (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eisaku_Satō) - significant cabinet secretary, prime minister, anti-nuclear advocate, Nobel Peace laureate
MUGHALS
Choudhry Ali (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choudhry_Rahmat_Ali) - Muslim nationalist, creator of the Pakistan idea
Muhammad Ali Jinnah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ali_Jinnah) - Muslim nationalist, Governor-General of Pakistan at the end of British rule
ARGENTINA
Estanislao Zeballos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estanislao_Zeballos) - very prominent author, politician, minister for justice and foreign affairs in the decades before and after 1900
Carlos Saavedra Lamas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Saavedra_Lamas) - foreign minister during the 1930s, brought Argentina back to the League of Nations, negotiated peace between Paraguay and Bolivia
Juan Atilio Bramuglia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Atilio_Bramuglia) - Socialist lawyer, Peronist foreign minister, advocate of Cold War crisis negotiation, opponent of Evita
Estela Barnes de Carlotto (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estela_Barnes_de_Carlotto) - human rights campaigner against disappearances during the military dictatorship of the 1970s
NORSE
N.F.S. Grundtvig (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N._F._S._Grundtvig) - Danish, nationalist, religious and social thinker in the early-mid 1800s
Dag Hammarskjöld (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dag_Hammarskjöld) - Swedish, UN Secretary-General in the 50s
KeeperOT7Keys
did nothing wrong
for Turkey, I'm not sure if these men are suitable but:
Sheikh Edebali - Famous for advicing to founders of Ottoman Empire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheikh_Edebali
Pargali Ibrahim Pasha - Grand Vizier Of Suleiman the Magnificient
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pargalı_Ibrahim_Pasha
Sokollu Mehmet Pasha is already a great prophet in doc, make him a great statesman
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokollu_Mehmed_Pasha
and make Sheikh Bedreddin as a great prophet instead of him
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheikh_Bedreddin
Abdul Hamid II - Actually head of the state, most important person in dissolutution era, I actually want to see him as Industrial Era leaderhead for Ottoman Empire.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Hamid_II
İsmet İnönü - Second guy in Republic after Atatürk, had 40 years of political influence on Turkey.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/İsmet_İnönü
Hasan Ali Yücel - Minister of Education in Early Republic Era, founder of Village Instuties.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasan_Âli_Yücel
Süleyman Demirel - I don't think he is great for politic opinions, but he is maybe the most important figure of Republic history, from 1965 to 2000's.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Süleyman_Demirel
Bülent Ecevit - Most influential leader of left-wing parties in Turkey.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bülent_Ecevit
Uğur Mumcu - Actually an investigative journalist, but he had serious effects on left-wing people in Turkey because of his columns. Assassinated while investigating ties between PKK and National Intelligence Organization of Turkey.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uğur_Mumcu
Ahmet Taner Kışlalı - Politician, political scientist and academics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmet_Taner_Kışlalı
Sheikh Edebali - Famous for advicing to founders of Ottoman Empire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheikh_Edebali
Pargali Ibrahim Pasha - Grand Vizier Of Suleiman the Magnificient
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pargalı_Ibrahim_Pasha
Sokollu Mehmet Pasha is already a great prophet in doc, make him a great statesman
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokollu_Mehmed_Pasha
and make Sheikh Bedreddin as a great prophet instead of him
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheikh_Bedreddin
Abdul Hamid II - Actually head of the state, most important person in dissolutution era, I actually want to see him as Industrial Era leaderhead for Ottoman Empire.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Hamid_II
İsmet İnönü - Second guy in Republic after Atatürk, had 40 years of political influence on Turkey.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/İsmet_İnönü
Hasan Ali Yücel - Minister of Education in Early Republic Era, founder of Village Instuties.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasan_Âli_Yücel
Süleyman Demirel - I don't think he is great for politic opinions, but he is maybe the most important figure of Republic history, from 1965 to 2000's.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Süleyman_Demirel
Bülent Ecevit - Most influential leader of left-wing parties in Turkey.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bülent_Ecevit
Uğur Mumcu - Actually an investigative journalist, but he had serious effects on left-wing people in Turkey because of his columns. Assassinated while investigating ties between PKK and National Intelligence Organization of Turkey.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uğur_Mumcu
Ahmet Taner Kışlalı - Politician, political scientist and academics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmet_Taner_Kışlalı
DC123456789
Deity
I don't think LHs are used for GP names.
Shadow Warlord
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One statesman name for America needs to be Henry Clay:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Clay#/search
He's considered one of America's five greatest Senators, and was instrumental in brokering several compromises between North and South prior to the Civil War. He was also greatly admired by Lincoln.
Also:
Daniel Webster
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Webster
Same era as Clay, helped shape several Supreme Court cases and negotiated a treaty to define the eastern border between U.S. and Canada.
John C. Calhoun
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._Calhoun
Same era as Clay, known for promoting limited government, states rights, and the concept of concurrent majority.
All three are considered part of "The Immortal Trio" of Congressional leaders at the time.
Robert La Follette
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_M._La_Follette,_Sr.
Early 20th century, major proponent of Progressivism.
Robert A. Taft
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_A._Taft
Proponent of noninterventionalism and opposed the growing power of labor unions.
All 5 are considered the greatest U.S. Senators.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Clay#/search
He's considered one of America's five greatest Senators, and was instrumental in brokering several compromises between North and South prior to the Civil War. He was also greatly admired by Lincoln.
Also:
Daniel Webster
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Webster
Same era as Clay, helped shape several Supreme Court cases and negotiated a treaty to define the eastern border between U.S. and Canada.
John C. Calhoun
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._Calhoun
Same era as Clay, known for promoting limited government, states rights, and the concept of concurrent majority.
All three are considered part of "The Immortal Trio" of Congressional leaders at the time.
Robert La Follette
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_M._La_Follette,_Sr.
Early 20th century, major proponent of Progressivism.
Robert A. Taft
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_A._Taft
Proponent of noninterventionalism and opposed the growing power of labor unions.
All 5 are considered the greatest U.S. Senators.
Reus
Polar Bear
Here are some additions/alternative to Chep's Indonesian GS List:
1900 AD - 2000 AD
Djuanda Kartawidjaja (Proponent of the 'Juanda Declaration' which gave Indonesia special nautical territorial rights over the archipelago.)
Sutan Sjahrir (First Prime Minister of Indonesia, one of the most important founding fathers of Indonesia)
Hamengkubuwono IX (Sultan of Jogjakarta region, an important figure throughout the early eras following independence, and also Indonesia's 2nd Vice-President under Suharto)
Danudirja Setiabudi/Douwes Dekker (A Dutch-Indonesian political activist that played a big role in the early rise of the concept of Indonesian independence)
Radjiman Wedyodiningrat (A figure that plays numerous different roles throughout the early seeding of Indonesian nationalism to its realization)
Soetomo (Founder of 'Budi Utomo' the first major Indonesian organization that gradually become one that emphasizes on its independence.)
Agus Salim (Played a key role on formeting Indonesian constitution, and also one of Indonesia's Foreign Minister)
1800 AD-1900 AD
Raden Ayu Kartini [Female GP] (Pioneer of Indonesian women's rights)
There's a difficulty to find potential GS in Indonesia prior to the 1900s. Most of the notable individuals recorded of that time that are considered to play a large role towards the consolidation of Indonesian identity are rebel leaders that fought via armed resistance against the Dutch rule which would be more fitting as Great Generals.
1900 AD - 2000 AD
Djuanda Kartawidjaja (Proponent of the 'Juanda Declaration' which gave Indonesia special nautical territorial rights over the archipelago.)
Sutan Sjahrir (First Prime Minister of Indonesia, one of the most important founding fathers of Indonesia)
Hamengkubuwono IX (Sultan of Jogjakarta region, an important figure throughout the early eras following independence, and also Indonesia's 2nd Vice-President under Suharto)
Danudirja Setiabudi/Douwes Dekker (A Dutch-Indonesian political activist that played a big role in the early rise of the concept of Indonesian independence)
Radjiman Wedyodiningrat (A figure that plays numerous different roles throughout the early seeding of Indonesian nationalism to its realization)
Soetomo (Founder of 'Budi Utomo' the first major Indonesian organization that gradually become one that emphasizes on its independence.)
Agus Salim (Played a key role on formeting Indonesian constitution, and also one of Indonesia's Foreign Minister)
1800 AD-1900 AD
Raden Ayu Kartini [Female GP] (Pioneer of Indonesian women's rights)
There's a difficulty to find potential GS in Indonesia prior to the 1900s. Most of the notable individuals recorded of that time that are considered to play a large role towards the consolidation of Indonesian identity are rebel leaders that fought via armed resistance against the Dutch rule which would be more fitting as Great Generals.
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Going to try to modify #19's list with his "Rasputin-Lenin-Gorbachev-Vodka-Balalaika".
RUSSIA
It's the ones I do remember on my own, if someone going to modify this list, pls do it.
Pre-mongol with a center in Kiev.
Vladimir the Great Brought Christianity in Rus'.
Yaroslav The Wise Code of laws, was one of the most succesful rulers in Russia.
Vladimir Monomakh As far as I remember "Gainer of all Russian lands" or something like this. Don't remember ;d
If Leoreth don't like someone of these, then, as option, Yuri Dolgorukiy, found Moscow.
Nevskiy is already represented as GG in game, if i'm not mistaken.
With a center in Moscow.
Ivan I Kalita As far as I remember, he was attracting influence in Moscow, was developing Moscow etc. Don't remember what he did exactly tho.
Ivan IV Grozniy. Conquered some lands for us :3
By the way, in the beginning he wasn't so... terrible, he was much succesful statesman in early years, when he got old, he gone mad tho ;c
Peter I The Great. One of those who have this "Great" not invain. First actual, serious contact with Europe, political and economical on highest level. As people are saying "opened a window in Europe". Built a fleet, kicked turks few times, swedes, also as reformed all aspects of life in Russia a lot.
And he was first Emperor of Russia.
Russian Empire
Ekaterina the Great (II) Was ruling succesfully, even though peasunts were suffering even more, few rebellions in diffrent places. But for country itself it was golden age. Enuf said.
Alexander III. Don't know what he did exactly, but I have seen monument for him ;d
Nikolay II. Last Emperor. Enuf said.
USSR
Uncle Joe ;d
Mr.No
Brezhnev in the end. Even if not "Great" at least not bad.
But definitely NOT Lenin and not Gorbachev.
RSDRP(b) of Lenin drowned country in destructive and one of the most bloody civil wars in human histroy.
Don't know what's up with Gorbachev there exactly. But he's definitely not GREAT statesman. During his "reign" empire disappeared and its remains simply dissolved in complete chaos...
And not Alexander II "Liberator", idk how exactly he liberated people, but "people" killed him later. Strange, isnt' it?
RUSSIA
It's the ones I do remember on my own, if someone going to modify this list, pls do it.
Pre-mongol with a center in Kiev.
Vladimir the Great Brought Christianity in Rus'.
Yaroslav The Wise Code of laws, was one of the most succesful rulers in Russia.
Vladimir Monomakh As far as I remember "Gainer of all Russian lands" or something like this. Don't remember ;d
If Leoreth don't like someone of these, then, as option, Yuri Dolgorukiy, found Moscow.
Nevskiy is already represented as GG in game, if i'm not mistaken.
With a center in Moscow.
Ivan I Kalita As far as I remember, he was attracting influence in Moscow, was developing Moscow etc. Don't remember what he did exactly tho.
Ivan IV Grozniy. Conquered some lands for us :3
By the way, in the beginning he wasn't so... terrible, he was much succesful statesman in early years, when he got old, he gone mad tho ;c
Peter I The Great. One of those who have this "Great" not invain. First actual, serious contact with Europe, political and economical on highest level. As people are saying "opened a window in Europe". Built a fleet, kicked turks few times, swedes, also as reformed all aspects of life in Russia a lot.
And he was first Emperor of Russia.
Russian Empire
Ekaterina the Great (II) Was ruling succesfully, even though peasunts were suffering even more, few rebellions in diffrent places. But for country itself it was golden age. Enuf said.
Alexander III. Don't know what he did exactly, but I have seen monument for him ;d
Nikolay II. Last Emperor. Enuf said.
USSR
Uncle Joe ;d
Mr.No
Brezhnev in the end. Even if not "Great" at least not bad.
But definitely NOT Lenin and not Gorbachev.
RSDRP(b) of Lenin drowned country in destructive and one of the most bloody civil wars in human histroy.
Don't know what's up with Gorbachev there exactly. But he's definitely not GREAT statesman. During his "reign" empire disappeared and its remains simply dissolved in complete chaos...
And not Alexander II "Liberator", idk how exactly he liberated people, but "people" killed him later. Strange, isnt' it?
LacsiraxAriscal
Below Settler
Nicholas II is the opposite of a great statesman, surely?
merijn_v1
Black Belt
He's already a LH. So he won't be an GS.
Osakasayama
In decline
Here's a list for Japan, up to the end of the samurai eras (I have not included post-industrial candidates, as there's just too many to choose from, and I am not very knowledged in that area).
Ancient (pre-500AD. Did DoC Japan start at 600AD or BC?)
Himiko
Yamato Takeru
Takenouchi no Sukune
Classical/Pre-Samurai (5th~12th Centuries)
Shotoku Taishi
Fujiwara no Kamatari
Fujiwara no Fuhito
Taira no Kiyomori
Medieval (12th~17th)
Minamoto no Yoritomo
Hojo Masako
Ashikaga Yoshimitsu
Hosokawa Masamoto
Toyotomi Hideyoshi
Renaissance/early modern (17th~ 1868)
Tokugawa Iyeyasu
Arai Hakuseki
Tanuma Okitsugu
Matsudaira Sadanobu
Sakamoto Ryoma
Note that I did not include Emperors, as they were more of a "prophet" figure rather than a "statesman," if "Great."
I am somewhat against including monarchs for other Civs as well, since I feel this should be a list of Great politicians, not "Great Rulers." (of course, historically unclear civs like the Mayans or Egyptians might be an exception, though.)
Ancient (pre-500AD. Did DoC Japan start at 600AD or BC?)
Himiko
Yamato Takeru
Takenouchi no Sukune
Classical/Pre-Samurai (5th~12th Centuries)
Shotoku Taishi
Spoiler :
Fujiwara no Kamatari
Spoiler :
Fujiwara no Fuhito
Spoiler :
Taira no Kiyomori
Spoiler :
Medieval (12th~17th)
Minamoto no Yoritomo
Spoiler :
Hojo Masako
Spoiler :
Ashikaga Yoshimitsu
Spoiler :
Hosokawa Masamoto
Spoiler :
Toyotomi Hideyoshi
Spoiler :
Renaissance/early modern (17th~ 1868)
Tokugawa Iyeyasu
Spoiler :
Arai Hakuseki
Spoiler :
Tanuma Okitsugu
Spoiler :
Matsudaira Sadanobu
Spoiler :
Sakamoto Ryoma
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Note that I did not include Emperors, as they were more of a "prophet" figure rather than a "statesman," if "Great."
I am somewhat against including monarchs for other Civs as well, since I feel this should be a list of Great politicians, not "Great Rulers." (of course, historically unclear civs like the Mayans or Egyptians might be an exception, though.)
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