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Greatest general ever?

Discussion in 'World History' started by Mouthwash, Feb 14, 2012.

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Best general?

  1. Genghis

    16 vote(s)
    16.8%
  2. Napoleon

    16 vote(s)
    16.8%
  3. Alexander

    20 vote(s)
    21.1%
  4. Caesar

    7 vote(s)
    7.4%
  5. Frederick

    10 vote(s)
    10.5%
  6. Hannibal

    19 vote(s)
    20.0%
  7. Belisarius

    2 vote(s)
    2.1%
  8. Subutai

    5 vote(s)
    5.3%
  1. mayor

    mayor Heart & Mind

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    planning. Will it be a raid deep into enemy territory or just a quick peek across the border. How many men will execute the raid, how many supplies to they need. What is the best route to the target. What is the best route to return.
    If the raid is deep into enemy territory how do I prevent that my retreat is cut off.

    Sure a large scale campaign designed to conquer a region would be more complicated but don't underestimate the issues with raiding.

    And besides. There might not have been a need to wage large scale campaigns and the raider wouldn't adjust to that. He might be better at raiding than any known general was at warfare.
     
  2. Yeekim

    Yeekim Chieftain

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    Nah. Greatest general is obviously someone who never had to lead troops in his life.

    For to win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill.
     
  3. Antilogic

    Antilogic --

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    Nah, clearly the best general of the Civil War was McClellan. Robert E. Lee even said so!

    To quote Johnathan Storm, flame on! :D



    On the list, I have a soft spot for Frederick II of Prussia. Given how subjective this is, I'll go ahead and vote for him.
     
  4. west india man

    west india man Immortal

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    Do you realize how hard it is to get cows to move, especially while trying to fend off hostile people with weapons all around you?

    EDIT: Missed a page.
     
  5. Dachs

    Dachs Intelligence Officer

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    Oh, we've finally reached the trite "Master Kong Sun say" garbage. Surprised it took us a whole page to do it.
     
  6. Cheezy the Wiz

    Cheezy the Wiz Socialist In A Hurry

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    Zhukov was laughably inept. He just had friends in high places and a complete contempt for the idea of acceptable losses. Take a gander at my article in my signature.
     
  7. North King

    North King blech

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    That's a clearly sarcastic post, bro. :p
     
  8. Dachs

    Dachs Intelligence Officer

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    It may be sarcastic, but it's not clear. :huh:
     
  9. Yeekim

    Yeekim Chieftain

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    Your sarcasm detector seems to be malfunctioning of late, bro! :)

    Damn, I hoped Master Sun would kill this thread...
     
  10. LegionSteve

    LegionSteve Motörhead

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    Voted for Hannibal because, erm, Elephants!
     
  11. Lord Baal

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    Meh, the point stands, even if Alex and Nap were clearly far more in the "general" mode than the "statesman" one. You can say Julius Caesar and Frederick II if you like.
     
  12. Dachs

    Dachs Intelligence Officer

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    Perhaps if you posted in WH more often I wouldn't think that such a response would be serious coming from you.
    No, it doesn't. :confused:

    How about Karl Philipp von Schwarzenberg and George C. Marshall?
     
  13. innonimatu

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    Dachs, I think that you are being a bit unfair about Napoleon. He was for the most part applying the standard dynastic puppeteering techniques of his predecessors. I mean, Louis XIIII was a treacherous warmongering scumbag too. And now that I think of it, so were most french kings before him. Napoleon just happened to me far more successful militarily, do he did it more.

    Alexander's lack of statesmanship too was not that uncommon for his age. Stable monarchies didn't had much of a tradition in Greece, and we was a greek ruling a state built on greeks. He actually managed to produce a successor at least, even if he also managed to kill himself (get killed?) to soon (and if not sooner it wasn't for lack of trying).
     
  14. Ergo Sum

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    I want to go with 'Alexander was a Macedonian' but then I really deserve everything that happens to me.
     
  15. MilesGregarius

    MilesGregarius Half-baked Renegade

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    My vote is for General Malaise.
     
  16. Lord Baal

    Lord Baal Chieftain

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    Sure, use them if you like.
     
  17. Domen

    Domen Misico dux Vandalorum

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    :rolleyes:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mars

    Also:

    David M. Glantz - "Zhukov's Greatest Defeat: The Red Army’s Epic Disaster in Operation Mars, 1942", University Press of Kansas 1999.

    :wallbash:

    And this is, of course, just one example of many (for example in 1941 he was responsible for the disaster in the Kiev Pocket).

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    BTW - can commander who lost even a single battle qualify as candidate to the greatest commander ever? For example Hannibal (Zama)?

    Or maybe only those who remained undefeated (but also fought many battles - not something like "fought 2 battles and won both")?

    Julius Caesar was ambitious and determined but he was not a brilliant tactician. In his early battles he also made many mistakes (as he had no military "education" - he was a politician not a professional soldier when he started his campaign in Gaul). His soldiers saved his ass, though.
     
  18. attackfighter

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    Napoleon was one of the worst. He performed terribly in Russia despite having massive numerical superiority. Good generals don't do that.

    Fredrick - got lucky a few times.

    The rest aren't even worth mentioning.

    EXCEPT: Hannibal and Genghis. Hannibal for performing so well at such a massive disadvantage and Genghis due to his achievements and enlightened approach to military strategy. They are the true top generals. Everyone else sucks.
     
  19. west india man

    west india man Immortal

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    Or you haven't heard of them. :rolleyes:
     
  20. LightSpectra

    LightSpectra me autem minui

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    If I didn't have a fine-tuned troll sensor, I might have typed a verbose and detailed response to this.

    I appreciate the fact that age brings wisdom, though.
     

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