Greatest GOP President last 100 years?? V2.0. With Teddy!

Who is the greatest GOP President in the last 100 years?

  • Ronald Reagan

    Votes: 16 28.6%
  • George H.W. Bush

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • George W. Bush

    Votes: 4 7.1%
  • Richard Nixon

    Votes: 3 5.4%
  • Dwight D. Eisenhower

    Votes: 9 16.1%
  • Theadore Roosevelt

    Votes: 24 42.9%

  • Total voters
    56
Say what you will about JohnWayneUSA -- his threads dominate OT right now, and he did it (after some initial warnings) without breaking the rules.

Here are all the GOP (Grand Old Party) -- Republican -- Presidents of the past 100 years:

George W Bush
George HW Bush
Ronald Reagan
Gerald Ford
Richard Nixon
Dwight Eisenhower
Herbert Hoover
Calvin Coolidge
Warren Harding
William Taft
Theodore Roosevelt
 
Roosevelt

And Calvin Coolidge just because he fly fished and was from Vermont. but he was a pretty lame prez, wasn't he.
 
Coolidge was a "do-nothing" President. He presided over good times, but his detractors criticize him for ignoring signs of the coming economic depression.

However some folks think he had the right idea, and it was only Congressional and the institutional bungling of those regulatory agencies that were allowed to mess with the economy, combined with massive loss of confidence thanks to the media, that led to the Great Depression.

I'm inclined to agree w/ the former, more conventional analysis.
 
Theodore Roosevelt or Ronald Reagen

I voted for TR though 'cause i have the same first name and the same initials :)
 
Originally posted by rmsharpe


(1.) Where Carter let the Soviets walk all over him, Reagan didn't.

(2.) Prior to "glasnost" (and even beyond then) any revolts in the Soviet Union were swiftly put down.

(3.) Reagan's committments to help oust pro-Soviet totalitarian communist regimes abroad (Nicaragua, Grenada, etc.)

P.S. - the defecit spending? For every dollar Reagan proposed, Tip O'Neill spent $1.70. If the U.S. had gone with Reagan's proposals, we wouldn't have had a defecit as early as 1986.

Thats stupid, Glasnost wasnt Reagen, that was Gorvachev.
And the defecit spending things sounds like BS. Who asked for huge tax cuts and raised military spending? Reagan.

I want sources of each of the following claims.
Where Carter let the Soviets walk over him and the defecit spending.
 
Originally posted by Alcibiaties of Athenae
Teddy is the best of any pres, IMO.

The best ever Republican BESIDES Teddy, if you include them all, is Abe Lincoln.

Ike is underated, he did get the civil rights movement going (he ordered US paras to escort Black kids into a school racists had blocked, a pretty good thing ;) )

Ronnie is often derided but was a fine President.

Not a big fan of Bush Senior, the book is still out on junior.

Nixon was ruined by scandal, he had been a good president UNTIL all of that came out, so, so much for him!

I agree that Ike and Nixon were a bit underated.
Lincoln is my faviote also.
 
Originally posted by archer_007
Thats stupid, Glasnost wasnt Reagen, that was Gorvachev.

From pressure from whom, though? Did the Soviet Union show any signs of reform during Carter's presidency? Not one.

And the defecit spending things sounds like BS. Who asked for huge tax cuts and raised military spending? Reagan.

Who doubled government revenues in 8 years? I'll give you a hint: it wasn't Clinton.

Where Carter let the Soviets walk over him and the defecit spending.

On Carter - Afghanistan, Nicaragua and Iran.

On the defecits, just look at the economic growth and the propsals of the Democrats during the 1981-1989 period.

Plus, it was a mistake - not $1.70 for every dollar Reagan proposed, it was $1.80...
 
I would agree with AoA that Eisenhower is underrated. I would also agree with many of the other posters that Reagan is greatly overrated.

Eisenhower, after being the Supreme Allied Commander in Europe during WW2, pushed strongly for civil rights in the U.S., used the Eisenhower Doctrine to end the Lebanese civil war in 1958, and warned about the "military-industrial complex."

Reagan was asleep in the Oval Office when the USSR collapsed due to its own internal contradictions. The Federal deficit tripled under his guidance. (Question for Reagan admirers, how many budgets did he veto?) Too many people in his administration were convicted or had to get pardons for various crimes. Reagan was a good actor who did a good job acting. He was not a good president.
 
Originally posted by rmsharpe


From pressure from whom, though? Did the Soviet Union show any signs of reform during Carter's presidency? Not one.

On Carter - Afghanistan, Nicaragua and Iran.

Lets give Reagan the credit for picking Soviet leadership :rolleyes: When did Gorvachev come to power? 1985!

What was he going to do over Afghanistan, start a nuclear war?
 
"Coolidge was a "do-nothing" President. He presided over good times, but his detractors criticize him for ignoring signs of the coming economic depression.

However some folks think he had the right idea, and it was only Congressional and the institutional bungling of those regulatory agencies that were allowed to mess with the economy, combined with massive loss of confidence thanks to the media, that led to the Great Depression."


Ahhh yes, a true fly angler, Give em directions and go fishing. when a hatch is on, nothing else matters. If they are too dim to follow directions, too bad. HAHA
 
Ronald Reagan was instrumental in putting pressure on the Soviet gov. to bring about the changes you speak of.

Sure, the Soviets made those changes, but did they make them under Carter?

Of course not

They made them under Ronald Reagan, the man who will be remembered for ending the Evil Empire

Reagan showed the world and the Soviets that the US would not back down from Communist aggression?

Where??

1. Nicaragua.

2. Libya.

3. El Salvador

4. Grenada

5. Afghanistan

In each of these cases, Reagan supported anti Communist forces that might not have been completely successful in all cases , but they gave the Soviets and the dictators a message:

The United States of America will not back down in the face of aggression.
 
The only Republican president of this century is Theodore Roosevelt (maybe Ike). He pursued more Progressive ideas and started the path to take away power from big businesses and corporations, he loked out for the common-man, and he was an expert diplomat.
 
Theodore Roosevelt is the best by far. Sure one can argue for the others, but no one comes CLOSE to his diplomacy skills. He was an expert in foriegn affairs, the international balance of power, and forsight. He picked his enemies and friends carefully. He strengthened the nation in every aspect, more than one could argue for Reagan. Reagan did spend tons of money on the military, but sucked it up on domestic issues. Trickle-down economy doesn't work, and all the "boom" years of Reagan turned out to be fake when the country went into a recession immediately following his terms. He was an actor, for Godsake!
 
I like that people are lauding Teddy Roosevelts diplomacy. He was the past master of arm twisting with a smile. Its too early to grade GWB, but the early results are promising. Of the rest, Ike and Nixon were both good abroad and less good at home. Ike let the witch hunts get out of hand while Nixon mangled the economy. Ditto GHWB. Hoover hand Carter syndrome: overmanged everything. Cooledge was famously morose and terse, plus he was a caretaker. That leaves RR, who has a long list of accomplishments and a couuple of serious flubs.

On the whole I like President Reagan. The Deficit was largely the product of interest rates, opposition spending and the military buildup. Gulf War I showed how important the military buildup was, so grant him that one. He inherited a major mess in the economy, but through Central Banking reforms, in conjunction with Thatcher in GB and others, which resulted in declining interest rates his last six years. The Economy grew at near unprecedented rates for a decade and arguably two decades. Give him a solid B+.

Abroad, he was called the Emperor of the West for a reason. Little more need be said. He was instrumental in the breakup of the old Soviet Bloc and reestablishing the American name and influence. On the other hand he allowed Iran -Contra on his watch, as well as a list of attacks on US Military people and instillations. Give him a B.

Add in some outstanding personal intangibles, and I grade him B+ overall. No one else in the 20th Century can grade out better than C+ except TRwho I give a B-, so RR it is.

J
 
Originally posted by onejayhawk
I like that people are lauding Teddy Roosevelts diplomacy. He was the past master of arm twisting with a smile. Its too early to grade GWB, but the early results are promising.

I agree with your doing an indepth alyansis of who you thought was better. Personally, however, I feel that any of us arent objective enough to rate Bush Jr., or even give a status report.
 
Originally posted by archer_007
I agree with your doing an indepth alyansis of who you thought was better. Personally, however, I feel that any of us arent objective enough to rate Bush Jr., or even give a status report.
You are too kind.

Just for the record, from the next century I fully expect GWBush's foreign policy skills to be viewed much as many posters have viewed Roosevelt's, for the same reason. He has been effective in shaping the events of the world around him.

TR was bluntly militaristic in his foreign policy, as is Bush, and as was Elizabeth I, Frederick, Catherine and Peter the Greats, and especially Bismark. In foreign policy a "good cop/bad cop" approach has proven the most effective. I give you President Bush and Sec State Colin Powell.

J

PS I note that Ike had an ability to defuse situations from a golf course. This is not to be sneered at. But then non one doubted Ike's ability to press a military situation if needed. Perhaps he was the real wizard of foreign policy.
 
Hard choice here Teddy or Reagan. I ended up going with reagan because his legacy and ideas still seems to be alive in the Republican party today. He not only did what has already been mentioned, but he helped to shape events and Preseidency's after his.
 
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