Greek Attack to The English Base in Cyprus

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Most probably some of you saw this on the news. Some Greek terrorists attacked to an English base in South Cyprus, because they didn't want them to build an antenna (or something like that). Including 3 English soldiers, 26 people got injured. The world should start to open their eyes and see which side is violent and who is causing all the trouble. The Greeks are always causing similiar troubles. Perhaps most of you know, a few years ago they tried to cross the border to attack the Turkish flag, one succeeded, but was shot down before he was succesfull in his main attempt which was to take the Turkish flag down! Other than the obvious violent actions, everybody could see that in these incidents, their security forces are unsucessful to protect the others' lives. While demanding the Turkish controlled north side, perhaps they just don't deserve to control the south either. They need to at least punish some of their terrorists. But most probably their government is supporting them for actions against the Turks. I suggest everybody to search and read about the Greek attacks to Turkish families before the 1974 war which brought peace to the island. And some Greek people on this forum (!) should know about the genocides made by the Greeks in Cyprus. I'm sure that most of you will be shocked to see the dead Turkish children...

Are you talking about democracy? Are you talking about human rights??? Come on! Please be more reasonable!

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[This message has been edited by TURK (edited July 04, 2001).]
 
Yes and turkey is also a bastion of democracy and human rights.

Since when did climbing a flag pole become an offense that you could be shot for?
 
Nah the English are like US, everytime Arab Terrorist attack us should we attack every single middle eastern country with the exception of Israel?
Yeah we should, but we don't because we're more civilized, we just try them and execute them.
Same thing here, these are Greek Terrorist, they might be affiliated with the g'ment somehow, but i doubt it.

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Redwolf, crossing the border is a cause for shooting anyway. So by not shooting that terrorist while he crossed the border, Turkish Cyprus Forces were kind enough. I don't know how this is in your country, but in my country we don't let ANYONE to touch our flag.

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Here's the article:


Britain and Cyprus Slam Bases Riots

Wednesday, July 04, 2001 2:19 p.m. EDT

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NICOSIA (Reuters) - Britain and Cyprus condemned local protesters on Wednesday who clashed with riot police at a British air base over the building of radio masts suspected of posing a health hazard.


"The violence was completely unacceptable," British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw told BBC radio.

British troops and riot police fought with scores of angry Greek Cypriot youths on Tuesday night at RAF Akrotiri, Britain's largest air force facility outside the United Kingdom.

But the mood outside the base 24 hours later was somber as local residents gathered close to the site where Britain plans to construct the antennae by 2003.

"This sort of violence is condemnable. Absolutely," said Christakis Pericles, a resident of the village of Akrotiri.

Construction work on the site was halted on Wednesday after laborers failed to turn up for work, British sources said.

At least 34 people were injured in the overnight clashes, which broke out after the arrest of a Cypriot MP who tried to break into the base in southwestern Cyprus.

His supporters stormed a police station shortly before he was released by base authorities. Local police officers were punched, kicked and pelted with missiles ranging from sticks and stones to cabbages and melons.

Vehicles were set on fire and protesters also attacked construction site equipment.

The damage to British facilities was estimated at between 400,000 and 500,000 Cyprus pounds ($600,000 to $740,000).

"The people who carried out these acts are criminals and hooligans," said Jim Guy, a Chief Superintendent with the Sovereign Base Areas (SBA) police.

FORTHRIGHT CONDEMNATION

The maverick MP, Marios Matsakis, who has led demonstrations against the British base in the past, is heading a local campaign against the construction of the 300 ft (100 meter) masts.

Cypriot President Glafcos Clerides, in a forthright condemnation of the clashes, said no one had the right to take the country's interests into their own hands and that the issue of the new antennae was a matter between two governments.

"The Cyprus government condemns the actions of Mr. Matsakis, which led to last night's unacceptable trouble," he said in a statement.

Local people argue the antennae emissions could cause cancer, but Britain denies the masts will pose a health threat.

"The concerns of residents are perfectly justified," said Eleni Mavrou, an MP of the leftist AKEL party. As a member of the parliamentary environment committee, Mavrou said she was briefed on the scientific impacts of the operations of the mast on Wednesday morning.

The Cypriot government has openly expressed reservations about the project, and has asked for work to be delayed until new electromagnetic tests are carried out.

Britain retains sovereignty over its Cypriot bases in a deal worked out in 1960 when the island gained its independence.

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See! Things like that happen in the UK too. And these people were just hooligans not terrorists.

Originally Posted by TURK

But most probably their government is supporting them for actions against the Turks.

Well at least that doesn't seem to be the British government's opinion. And I would find the Cypriot government pretty supid if it supported such pathetic actions.


I suggest everybody to search and read about the Greek attacks to Turkish families before the 1974 war which brought peace to the island. And some Greek people on this forum (!) should know about the genocides made by the Greeks in Cyprus. I'm sure that most of you will be shocked to see the dead Turkish children...

Are you talking about democracy? Are you talking about human rights??? Come on! Please be more reasonable!

What does that have to do? Yes you're right this is a perfect example of greek terrorism (I'm serious). Some Greeks in Cyprus have always done these kind of things. Unlike the Turks who do worse (not so much the people but the governments).

Reading this topic, I thought for a moment that Britain had declared war to Greece! But as it seems the truth is that Britain doesn't have anything against Greece or Cyprus to which she is allied anyway through the EU and the Comonwealth.

About this flag you put under your sig (it the flag of the "republic of Northern Cyprus"). It an internationally unrecognised flag since the regime of northern Cyprus is illegal itself.

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Which country did invade Cyprus in the first place?

Actually Turkey invaded it twice. Once some centuries ago and made it part of the Ottoman Empire and a second time in 1974. Britain just "got" Cyprus from the deffeat Ott. Empire after WWI.
 
Turk, a kind reminder, though. Most of us read news. I don't think it's reasonable trying to start a fight or trying to get people on your side. We all have an opinion, we can agree or disagree with you, we can be on your side or the other but it's silly to do such a thing...

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Originally posted by SunTzu:
Nah the English are like US, everytime Arab Terrorist attack us should we attack every single middle eastern country with the exception of Israel?
Yeah we should, but we don't because we're more civilized, we just try them and execute them.

Damn civilized bastards... *grumble*
 
Ok dudes...this is what I remember the story as from the BBC last night and haey the aol news agrees: essentially they released a politican campaigning on this matter and then went on a little rampage...so no different from when the squaddies go on a bender each weekend.


Greek Rioters Storm Police Station

.c The Associated Press


EPISKOPI-AKROTIRI, Cyprus (AP) - Hundreds of Greek Cypriot rioters stormed a police station, released a detainee and torched vehicles at this British military base overnight Tuesday.

The freed prisoner was a Cypriot member of parliament, Marios Matsakis, who had been arrested for leading a protest on Monday against the base's construction of a network of communications antennae in an environmentally sensitive area.

After releasing Matsakis, the 400 to 500 demonstrators went to the construction site and began setting fire to vehicles and destroying equipment.

British troops and police fired tear gas and wielded clubs to disperse the rioters, but clashes continued until early Tuesday morning. The base on the southern Cypriot coast is one of two sovereign areas that Britain retained in Cyprus after it granted independence to the island in 1960.

Twenty-seven British policemen were wounded in the clashes, one ``very seriously,'' British base spokesman Rob Need said early Wednesday. Most injuries were caused by stone throwing.

The protesters believe the erection of antennae at Akrotiri Salt Lake, which lies within the base, will have an adverse affect on local residents and migratory birds.

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Why can't we all just get along... I've had many expieriences in my brief lifetime with people who are diifferent then me (or is it the other way around
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Can anyone explane why this is other then just general stupidity?
Sorry if this is a wee bit off topic.

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Siggy:
Which country did invade Cyprus in the first place?

Not Turkey, some Greek terrorists did! You guys need to read history! Two days before the 1974 War, Greek terrorist invaded Cyprus, knocked Makarios down and Cyprus and Greece was joined. But because Turkey was one of te guaranteur countries of Cyprus (with Greece and England) it made a right operations to kick these as.hole's butts!

GenghisK and Az,
I did not demand Britian to declare war against Greece. If this topic reminded you that, then I'm sorry for you.

GenghisK:
I did not want to start a fight either. Who did I insult? These are my thoughts, and I can post anything I want unless TF says the opposite. You say what I'm doing is stupid. Then why were you quiet when Az posted messages about the so-called Armenian genocide? I think YOU need to learn to be reasonable.

Az:
About this flag you put under your sig (it the flag of the "republic of Northern Cyprus"). It an internationally unrecognised flag since the regime of northern Cyprus is illegal itself.

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Some Greek terrorists did? What do you mean by this? Some Greek fellows in a rubber raft sailed to Cyprus in force to invade Cyprus? And so Turkey reacted by invading the island? How did those Greek terrorist get there? What was their purpose?

In short: Is this the kind of conspiracy theory to justify the Turkish attack on Cyprus? German propaganda told exact the same about Polish terrorists just before the Germans invaded Poland, did you know that?

BTW: is one little Turkish flag not enough as a signature?

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I'm repeating again, read history! This is not just a Turkish Propaganda, it is known by the world. Ask Az. They knocked Makarios down and controlled Cyprus, and then joined it to Greece. Up to here you must agree, because it is a historical fact, I'm repeating ask anyone including Az... After this point you don't have to agree with me. What I think is as being one of the three guarantor countries Turkey WAS RIGHT to start the operation to protect its citizens and land. It could have taken all of the island though. Let me teach you one more thing: The Greek Forces did not stop the Turkish Army. The Turkish Army planned a border line before the operation, and stopped when it reached its goal. As you can see if we wanted to INVADE we could invade all of it...


Oh by the way, of course the Greek government sent those terrorists. There was a military government in Greece at those times (which were knocked down after the defeat in Cyprus. The Greeks should be thankful for us for bringing back democracy) and that government sent thousands of Greek Soldiers (which I call terrorists).

If you are so interested in the subject, I suggest you to go and read some books (which are not subjective of course...)

Oh for my sig: 1 is of course enough 4 me, but the other two are for Az...
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Oh yeah, you are right about the "Greek" attempt to throw over the government in 1974. Don't know whether the Greek government did know it (guess they did however). But reading the next article I wonder if the Turkish solution was that right as you claim it to be.

The following article appeared in the Independent of London on 11 May 2001, written by Stephen Castle in Brussels.

"Turkey censured for human rights abuses in Cyprus
Turkey suffered international legal humiliation when judges in Strasbourg ruled that its occupation of Northern Cyprus gave rise to widespread abuse of human rights.

A preliminary judgement at the European Court of Human Rights said yesterday that the Turks had violated almost every article in the European Human Rights Convention after their invasion and partition of the island in 1974.

The ruling is the latest in a string of cases in which Turkey has been found at fault over its human rights record, and could leave its government in uncharted legal territory.

Ankara refused to contest the case, which was brought by the government of Cyprus in Nicosia, and is certain to ignore any subsequent order to pay compensation which the court could impose.

Technically that could lead to its suspension or expulsion from the Council of Europe, although such a dramatic step is thought unlikely.

Even so the judgement is an acute embarrassment for Turkey coming as it tries to persuade EU leaders that its human rights record is good enough to qualify for formal membership talks. That process is hardly likely to be helped by the emphatic nature of yesterday's ruling.

By 16 votes to one, judges at the court decided that Greek Cypriots who went missing after the invasion and those whom Turkey forced from their homes had suffered human rights abuses.

They concluded that military trials conducted by authorities on the northern part of the island were continuing violations of the right of people living there to a fair trial.

Conditions under which Greek Cypriots living in the Karpas Peninsula in the Turkish-controlled north were forced to live "were debasing and violated the very notion of respect for the human dignity of its members," the court said.

The Greek Cypriot government argued that 170,000 refugees living in the south of the island and banned from returning to their homes in the north were deprived of rights to property, compensation and a family life.

The authorities in Ankara were criticised for failing to investigate properly the fate of some 1,500 people who went missing when Turkey invaded.

Last year there were 23 judgements in which the court at Strasbourg found Turkey guilty of at least one violation. While this is fewer than some countries including France, the cases involving Turkey tend to be at the more severe end of the scale, sometimes involving accusations of torture, death in custody or suppression of freedom of speech.

No country which has signed up to the European Convention on Human Rights has ever failed to abide by its rulings. However, Ankara has yet to implement the findings of a separate judgement concerning property rights of a Greek Cypriot woman driven from her home after the invasion.

Because yesterday's case was brought by a government rather than an individual, it remains unclear whether the court will order Ankara to pay compensation.

But failure to implement the court's findings can result in a critical resolution from the Council of Europe's committee of ministers. In theory that could be followed by suspension or expulsion.

Russia was the most recent country to suffer penalties over human rights abuses although those were of a lesser order. In that case the Council of Europe's parliamentary assembly removed Russia's voting rights.

The Cypriot government expressed sympathy at the death of former rebel Nicos Sampson, but made no gesture forgiving him for leading the revolt which triggered Turkey's 1974 invasion. Sampson, 66, died from cancer on Wednesday night."

 
simply amazing....

tell me Turk,

1) Why did Turkey ignored the order the UN?
In Resolution 353 that was adopted on the day of the invasion, the United Nations (UN) Security Council "equally concerned about the necessity to restore the constitutional structure of the Republic of Cyprus" calls upon all States to "respect the sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of Cyprus" and demands "an immediate end to foreign military intervention in the Republic of Cyprus".

2) Why did Turkey made a second invasion on the island despite the fact that Macarios had been restored to power and peace talks had started?

3) Why did Turkey "stop" at 38% of the island when Turk-Cypriots where only the 18% of the population? Perhaps because it was their right to have more space???

4) How come the European Commission of Human Rights accepted that there were "very strong indications" of killings "committed on a substantial scale" by the Turkish Army? What happened to the 1619 missing Greek-Cypriots?
 
And another nice part of history:

Independence and invasion
The independent Republic of Cyprus came into being in August 1960. Its first President was Archbishop Makarios. Over the first three years of independence relations between the Greek and Turkish Cypriots deteriorated, mainly as a result of flaws in the constitution which gave disproportional rights to the Turkish Cypriot community including the right to block the passing of laws.

In 1963 intercommunal violence broke out following which many Turkish Cypriots withdrew to enclaves. Attempts to bring the two sides back together were made through the United Nations who sent a contingent to the island. On 15 July 1974 the Junta ruling Athens at the time organised a coup to overthrow Archbishop Makarios. A week later Turkey invaded the island, claiming this was to restore constitutional order. However, when the rightful government was restored, Turkish troops stayed on, implementing a long-held policy of partitioning the island. They went on to occupy more than a third of Cyprus, forcing 200,000 people to lose their homes and become refugees.

The area under Turkish occupation unilaterally declared independence in1983, an act condemned by the UN and other international organisations. No country in the world other than Turkey has recognised this illegal state.

The political issue, despite efforts to solve it, remains virtually frozen since 1974 and the occupation of part of Cyprus by the Turkish army still continues.


So in short TURK: I guess the Turkish were right in one very simple point. They weren't happy with the coupe attempt by the Greeks. I tottaly agree with you on that.

BUT: it wasn't a reason to invade Cyprus. Well Turkey did invade; understandable given the political situation at that time, but not correct. Just after the invasion the Turkish army messed it up.

I do know the Greek weren't that nice at that time (Junta, you know); but Turkish soldiers commited crimes in Cyprus which they shouldn't have done. They should have retreated after the restoration of the government.

Oh well: I guess it is just another black page in the history of Turkey. Ever modern nation has that kind of pages.
 
Ha Ha Ha Ha.

Hey Turk, the next time you post something honest about Greek-Turkish relations will be the first.
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Thank you guys. All you said here I knew myself but I couldn't have said it myself; especially because of all that happened last time with TURK, I just hoped that these things would come frome someone else's mouth...
One more reason I didn't want to talk is that I didn't know where to start and where to end. I know so much things about Greek history related to Turkey that it's difficult for me to talk sometimes when I have someone like TURK in front of me. I don't know why. Even those three pictures on TURK's sig cause me sadness when I see them (especially the two last). I can't help it I just feel like that. It's like a Jew seing the German flag with the swastica. Or like an Armenian, Asyrian or Kurd seing a Turkish flag if you want...
Siggy I was impressed by the article! I didn't know all this.

Siggy:

So in short TURK: I guess the Turkish were right in one very simple point. They weren't happy with the coupe attempt by the Greeks. I tottaly agree with you on that.

BUT: it wasn't a reason to invade Cyprus. Well Turkey did invade; understandable given the political situation at that time, but not correct. Just after the invasion the Turkish army messed it up.

I do know the Greek weren't that nice at that time (Junta, you know); but Turkish soldiers commited crimes in Cyprus which they shouldn't have done. They should have retreated after the restoration of the government.

The reason for all this is that in 1974 both countries had a dictatorial government. The one in Greece lasted 7 years and we are particularly ashamed of it. But at least it ended in 1975. The problem with Turkey is that this government is still there....
 
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