Greek Attack to The English Base in Cyprus

[xeven_god_of_helsibahr]

C to the H said:
...you're being ********. Turkey would last about 15 minutes against the States...

TURK replied:
5. The US cannot finish Turkey in 15 minutes. We are not Iraq nor Serbia. We have more than 6000 tanks, 600 fighter planes... and about 30,000,000 soldier pottential. And much better fighting skills

Um, TURK, have you ever heard of a Nuclear Weapon? I doubt your country could even last 15 minutes if we decided to attack you, more like 30 seconds. Please, don't even think your country is stronger than mine, because it's not. (If I may, a quote from RedWolf: ) Fact, fact, fact, fact, fact.

[This message has been edited by xeven_god_of_helsibahr (edited July 14, 2001).]

 

[ComradeDavo]

can i just point out that this thread started with TURK talking about the attack on the British base, well as a Brit i can say it wasn't such a great deal as you have tried to make it out to be, you know that was just one riot in a long list on British territory recently i.e. race riots in Bradford etc (or up North as we call 'em) and Northern Ireland. So as far as taknig action against Greece goes: you must be having a shandy!
As for the USA going to war with Turkey.....YOUR BOTH IN NATO!!!!!!! Thats like saying Canada's gonna go to war with Italy. Somehow i think thats a rather stupid argument......

 

[Cunobelin Of Hippo]

Oh, I think we could school those Italians

Our mighty armies of eskimo equiped with snowshoes, our strapping young lumberjacks with their chainsaws, and our Beaver Assault squads. Yup. Maybe 20 minutes there!

 

[ComradeDavo]

c'mon, 22 at least

 

[Cunobelin Of Hippo]

You're right. We'd need to eat all of their pasta first

 

[xeven_god_of_helsibahr]

...Of course, us Americans would go in and eat the rest [of the pasta], kill a couple Italians, then go home and take all the credit

.

 

[RedWolf]

Originally posted by xeven_god_of_helsibahr:
(If I may, a quote from RedWolf: ) Fact, fact, fact, fact, fact.

Usually I get really angry when people steal my well thought out, highly intelligent quotes. BUT I'll let it slide THIS time!

 

[GenghisK]

Mmm, you know what? I'm hungry. Yep there's no link but I'm hungry....

....

Ok since I don't want a warning for spamming, I'll have to be on topic. Well well well, what can I find to say?
Oh yes, since I'm hungry I'll order fried rice and cod. Perhaps, better, I'll eat some turkey tonight

Hem, sorry, I thought at this joke already 4 days ago but I hesitated to say it. Sorry but I couldn't prevent myself!

Oh and PS: I wonder how my chinese restaurant kill the turkey before boiling it... lalala

 

[starlifter]

by TURK:

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I think the true sentence you needed to say was: The US has never had the balls to try a military operation against a country like Turkey except for once.
...

Turk, you seem to be a real moron, stirring up resentment against your own nation. I've been do Turkey several dozen times, and I find the Turks to be a good people overall.

I have not finished reading some of your dogma, because I can comment that in general you keep trying to compare that the wonderful patriots of Turkey could when they are fully mobilized and commited to a hypotheical war against America. I need not detail how America could lay waste to the entire ancient nation of Turkey, if such an event came to pass.

You seem to want the US to attack Turkey. We have no desire to do that, but I can also tell you that in the real 'think tanks' that provide contingency plans, it does not require a full mobilization to subdue any militaristic aggression of Turkey.

Again, a US war with Turkey is highly unlikey, as long as the government of Turkey is stable and relatively well-behaved.

So are you a militant, or what?

 

[starlifter]

BTW, Turk, Turkey cannot even beat Greece in a war. And part of that is because Turkey knows what would be in store for it from the US (and other allies) if Turkey rolled into Athens cutting the heads off Greek babies.

It might be better for you to recall the ancient era of the Glory of Constantinople, when that city was the most important in the world at that time. Whoops, I guess the real power behind the ascent of Constantinople was the Romans

. But there was a time when the "power" of Turkey was significant and respected worldwide... but that era is long gone. Even Isreal (a much smaller nation) could make short of Turkey in an all-out war these days. Let's see, how any tanks evaporate in an average nuclear fireball? 100? 500? 1000? Let's say 500. So Isreal can finish Turkey by lunch, and still have several dozen nukes leftover to char more turkey for the grill, then have a cold beer

.

But then, even Japan was pretty much a cesspool before they attacked the US, we nuked them, and rebuilt their country.

I'm glad most Turks I've met aren't asking for a war, like you seem to be! Though it is backwards in many ways, I do like the country and its people in general.

 

[GP]

Hey, what is this with the US/Turkey faceoff? We are allies, no? My old man helped design the Turkish Navy. Plus Turkish women are HOT!!!

 

[Alcibiaties of Athenae]

You admit that publically Navy?

And sailors think women from everywhere are hot.

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[Az]

A war between Greece and Turkey?
As far as I'm concerned: no thanks!

But here's my opinion on what could happen in such a case...

First let me explain how's the situation.

Since always Greece and Turkey considered each other as a threat. As a result the two countries have always been preparing for a war. What came out is a little cold war. The situation has many similarities to the US/USSR cold war. Greece and Turkey are the main weapon buyers in Europe for years now. When Greece buys a new defense system Turkey says that this action constitutes a major threat for her and vice versa.
But Turkey has always (since 1923) been in front in numbers for two reasons.
1) Turkish population is way bigger
2) Turkish government spends more money than Greece (which already spends a lot) in the military.

On the other hand Greece has a very good army and since history repeats itself we can look back and see that Greeks have always been less in number than their enemies and still won important battles: Marathon, Salamina, Alexander's campaigns, Albania in 1940 are some examples. So one could give Greece some chances in a Greco-Turkish war.
But this person would not be right.
I give Greece NO chances in a war with her neighbor. Why? Well I'm sure that Greek soldiers haven't lost their courage so that's not a problem. But Greece's mentality, economy and status have changed. When Constantinos Caramanlis put Greece in the EU in 1981 he knew full well that this meant that the Country's glorious history book would have to close. The last page would be that of the entrance of Greece in the EU. That because a country like Greece could never play a central role in this rich family where she would constitute one of the poor relatives. In fact, this meant the end of Greece's independance. But he also knew that this would be Greece's first and last chance to enter this family. So he chose to do it. Why? Because he didn't himself believe in Greece being able to handle a war with the Turks or any kind of crisis in the Balkans. Maybe he was right...
In any case Greece is now part of the family and Turkey is not.

So in my view two things can happen.
1) Turkey attacks and conquers a Greek island. Then Greece asks for help from the EU. Angry Chirac and Blair tell Greek prime minister to f*** himself <IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/wink.gif" border=0>, as a long lasting war in Greece would cause a lot of damage to the Euro. So they ask him to conclude a fast cease fire, and then they guarantie that they will freeze the whole situation so that the Turks don't advance any further. They call Bush who tells the Turks that they can keep the Island for the moment if they agree to stop all hostilities. In Greece people go on the streets shouting that the Prime Minister is a coward and the government falls in the two days following the agreement. The next government starts negotiations to show to the people that things can change. But nothing happens. Turkey keeps the island for an indeterminate period of time and life goes on in Greece and Europe. In fact Greece lost the war and has one more Cyprus-like problem to solve...
2) The second possibility (which is the most probable) is the following...
Turkey will never attack Greece as the Americans don't want the EU and NATO to be destabilised.
In such a case Turkey has lost the cold war. The reason for this is simple. Turkey has spent to much in weapons that are now useless and stops buying more. Ruined economically it never enters the EU and stays allied to Israel and the US borowing money from them at the same time and becoming dependant. Why do I say ruined economically? Well because that's about the situation even today. The Turkish Pound has been devaluated so much that it's one of the less powerfull currencies in Europe. If I recall correctly some years ago 1 US Dollar was 350 Pounds. Today 1USD = some 3500 Pounds.

What do you think?

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[This message has been edited by Az (edited July 18, 2001).]

 

[GP]

Originally posted by Az:
A war between Greece and Turkey?
As far as I'm concerned: no thanks!

But here's my opinion on what could happen in such a case...

First let me explain how's the situation.

Since always Greece and Turkey considered each other as a threat. As a result the two countries have always been preparing for a war. What came out is a little cold war. The situation has many similarities to the US/USSR cold war. Greece and Turkey are the main weapon buyers in Europe for years now. When Greece buys a new defense system Turkey says that this action constitutes a major threat for her and vice versa.
But Turkey has always (since 1923) been in front in numbers for two reasons.
1) Turkish population is way bigger
2) Turkish government spends more money than Greece (which already spends a lot) in the military.

On the other hand Greece has a very good army and since history repeats itself we can look back and see that Greeks have always been less in number than their enemies and still won important battles: Marathon, Salamina, Alexander's campaigns, Albania in 1940 are some examples. So one could give Greece some chances in a Greco-Turkish war.
But this person would not be right.
I give Greece NO chances in a war with her neighbor. Why? Well I'm sure that Greek soldiers haven't lost their courage so that's not a problem. But Greece's mentality, economy and status have changed. When Constantinos Caramanlis put Greece in the EU in 1981 he knew full well that this meant that the Country's glorious history book would have to close. The last page would be that of the entrance of Greece in the EU. That because a country like Greece could never play a central role in this rich family where she would constitute one of the poor relatives. In fact, this meant the end of Greece's independance. But he also knew that this would be Greece's first and last chance to enter this family. So he chose to do it. Why? Because he didn't himself believe in Greece being able to handle a war with the Turks or any kind of crisis in the Balkans. Maybe he was right...
In any case Greece is now part of the family and Turkey is not.

So in my view two things can happen.
1) Turkey attacks and conquers a Greek island. Then Greece asks for help from the EU. Angry Chirac and Blair tell Greek prime minister to f*** himself <IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/wink.gif" border=0>, as a long lasting war in Greece would cause a lot of damage to the Euro. So they ask him to conclude a fast cease fire, and then they guarantie that they will freeze the whole situation so that the Turks don't advance any further. They call Bush who tells the Turks that they can keep the Island for the moment if they agree to stop all hostilities. In Greece people go on the streets shouting that the Prime Minister is a coward and the government falls in the two days following the agreement. The next government starts negotiations to show to the people that things can change. But nothing happens. Turkey keeps the island for an indeterminate period of time and life goes on in Greece and Europe. In fact Greece lost the war and has one more Cyprus-like problem to solve...
2) The second possibility (which is the most probable) is the following...
Turkey will never attack Greece as the Americans don't want the EU and NATO to be destabilised.
In such a case Turkey has lost the cold war. The reason for this is simple. Turkey has spent to much in weapons that are now useless and stops buying more. Ruined economically it never enters the EU and stays allied to Israel and the US borowing money from them at the same time and becoming dependant. Why do I say ruined economically? Well because that's about the situation even today. The Turkish Pound has been devaluated so much that it's one of the less powerfull currencies in Europe. If I recall correctly some years ago 1 US Dollar was 350 Pounds. Today 1USD = some 3500 Pounds.

What do you think?

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Great analysis.

Moving to other topics...what is your opinion of Turkish hotties?

 

[GP]

Originally posted by Alcibiaties of Athenae:
You admit that publically Navy?

And sailors think women from everywhere are hot. <IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif" border=0>

He was stationed at the Military Assistance group in the mid 60's. The Turk naval strategy was centered around amphibious warfare and coastal defense. Since: a. they don't have much cash. b. they are good infantry. c. it fits their strategic needs (conflicts in aegean or black seas with big bad you know who and little bad you know who.)