Guess the Map IX: The Richese are no match
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You are partly(mostly) correct on one bit of the map (one color) 
In fact one of the colors are countries where literary works of Kafka are based or countries specifically mentioned as parts of the story taking place in literary works by Kafka 
You still have three more colors to decipher, and to tell which is which.
Btw i made a change (i hope the final one) to the map: Belgium is now colored (in black)...
In fact one of the colors are countries where literary works of Kafka are based or countries specifically mentioned as parts of the story taking place in literary works by Kafka You still have three more colors to decipher, and to tell which is which.Btw i made a change (i hope the final one) to the map: Belgium is now colored (in black)...
Yeah, i suppose it is just way too hard to guess, so i will give a very large clue and then (if nothing is guessed) the entire answer
BTW: I made two more changes: Now Ireland is also colored (Green) and France gets a second color along with the Red (now has red and green).
Hint:
Each color signifies the way in which a country is mentioned in Kafka's literary work or in his diaries (excluding his travel diaries). So one color is only for those countries where literary works are set OR the towns/countries named as reions of origin for specific characters in the work. Another color is for countries or places named, as environments of Kafka's noted Dreams. Another is countries or nationalities named in his diary, and finally there is a color for places in his literary stories which are not named specifically but one can suppose the story is either set there or is influenced by that region's history.
ps: Saudi Arabia stands for some unnamed Arab-populated desert region.
Anyway, i will probably give the answer at most in one day, depending on whether there will be any attempt to guess
BTW: I made two more changes: Now Ireland is also colored (Green) and France gets a second color along with the Red (now has red and green).
Hint:
Each color signifies the way in which a country is mentioned in Kafka's literary work or in his diaries (excluding his travel diaries). So one color is only for those countries where literary works are set OR the towns/countries named as reions of origin for specific characters in the work. Another color is for countries or places named, as environments of Kafka's noted Dreams. Another is countries or nationalities named in his diary, and finally there is a color for places in his literary stories which are not named specifically but one can suppose the story is either set there or is influenced by that region's history.
ps: Saudi Arabia stands for some unnamed Arab-populated desert region.
Anyway, i will probably give the answer at most in one day, depending on whether there will be any attempt to guess
Well, i suppose i will give away the answer and declare open floor It was just too difficult to guess, although i hope it might be seen as somewhat educational (?).
Black: Countries specifically mentioned as places where works by Kafka take place, either in their present time or at some time before the beginning:
-Belgium (there is a fragment about someone taking part in the Olympiad of Antwerp).
-Congo ("It was not a pleasant life i was living in Belgian Congo"). Existent in a fragment, not a full story.
-Germany (The main character in the novel Amerika begins his journey from Hamburg, althought the story starts when he is approaching New York- however the statue of liberty is altered, carrying a sword, so it might be a dream as well).
-US (in the novel Amerika).
-Russia (mentioned in many stories and parts of them take place there. For example in The Judgement -Das Urteil).
-Occupied Thrace (large fragment, about someone on a business trip to Constantinople).
-Arabia (not saudi arabia in particular, but some desert land populated by arabs, it is the setting of the short story "Jackals and Arabs").
-Latvia (The story "Hunter Gracchus is taking place in Riga).
Green: Lands where works are either seemingly take place (but they are not specifically named) or lands mentioned in works but the works not taking place in them nor are any non-historical characters from there.
-Greece (Apart from a number of mythical-centered stories such as The Silence of the Sirens, or Poseidon, also in the very short piece about Alexander and his sword always pointing to India).
-India (in the above story about Alexander and the thoughts of the East).
-China (Well, i was tempted to place this in the Black category, but in reality if i recall correctly the large story "On the building of the Great Wall" never once mentions China, despite being obviously about a huge wall to protect against northern barbarian tribes).
-France, Ireland, Romania, Germany (all have nationals being part of the novel Amerika. From Butterbaum, who steals the suitcase of the main character, to the two street-wise companions of his in later chapters of which one is french and the other is irish, and of course the coaling worker on board the ocean-liner in the first chapter, who is of Romanian nationality, and so is the ownership of the ship).
-Italy: The visitor that Joseph K. is supposed to meet again in the Cathedral is from Italy.
Red: Places where noted dreams of Kafka were placed.
-Poland (a dream about the yiddish theatre)
-Germany (various dreams, such as the one about his "Trial" by the relatives of his first fiancee).
-France (fragment of a dream centered in Paris).
-Montenegro (dream of a person wearing traditional montenegrin clothes, a native of Montenegro).
Purple: Places mentioned by Kafka in his notes, not linked to the actual travel notes.
-Greece (a mention of a Greek doctor in some train).
-US (at least one mention, of political debates and anecdotes from the election of FDR, "threatening a man by raising his plastic cup).
-England (apart from a couple of notes about Dickens, there is a short diary entry which refers to Sherlock Holmes and a kind of window-gazing).
-Spain (various bits about his uncle, who lived in Madrid).
-Turkey (iirc this is mentioned in a dream, but i am not sure if it was Kafka's or another author from his circle and he just wrote it down. In the dream someone is cursing the author Franz Werfel as being a "turch". Kafka notes that this was a term of a local dialect, and a corruption of the term "turk", this was in Austria and Kafka argues the term was used in remebrance of the old Austrian-turkish wars).
-Austria (Kafka expressed in writing in his diary his aversion to immigrating to Vienna).
-Czechia (various notes about the local literary life, the one in the Czech language which Kafka spoke to a considerable degree).
-Poland (in the early parts of the diary, where he focuses on the Yiddish travelling actors).
-Russia (a lot of notes about Russia as a metaphor, due to its vast size. Also to some authors, mostly Dostoevsky and at least once Gogol. However i did not use the mere reference to writers as a reason by itself to utilise this color, otherwise there would also have been some other countries in purple, such as Norway--due to Knut Hamsun).
-Serbia (a note about the "stupid defeats in Serbia" written a short bit after they were happening during WWI).
-Persia (a small note about someone who claimed a sentence written by Kafka as part of a small poem, was "of persian rhythm").
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That is all, i guess
It was just too difficult to guess, although i hope it might be seen as somewhat educational (?).Black: Countries specifically mentioned as places where works by Kafka take place, either in their present time or at some time before the beginning:
-Belgium (there is a fragment about someone taking part in the Olympiad of Antwerp).
-Congo ("It was not a pleasant life i was living in Belgian Congo"). Existent in a fragment, not a full story.
-Germany (The main character in the novel Amerika begins his journey from Hamburg, althought the story starts when he is approaching New York- however the statue of liberty is altered, carrying a sword, so it might be a dream as well).
-US (in the novel Amerika).
-Russia (mentioned in many stories and parts of them take place there. For example in The Judgement -Das Urteil).
-Occupied Thrace
(large fragment, about someone on a business trip to Constantinople).-Arabia (not saudi arabia in particular, but some desert land populated by arabs, it is the setting of the short story "Jackals and Arabs").
-Latvia (The story "Hunter Gracchus is taking place in Riga).
Green: Lands where works are either seemingly take place (but they are not specifically named) or lands mentioned in works but the works not taking place in them nor are any non-historical characters from there.
-Greece (Apart from a number of mythical-centered stories such as The Silence of the Sirens, or Poseidon, also in the very short piece about Alexander and his sword always pointing to India).
-India (in the above story about Alexander and the thoughts of the East).
-China (Well, i was tempted to place this in the Black category, but in reality if i recall correctly the large story "On the building of the Great Wall" never once mentions China, despite being obviously about a huge wall to protect against northern barbarian tribes).
-France, Ireland, Romania, Germany (all have nationals being part of the novel Amerika. From Butterbaum, who steals the suitcase of the main character, to the two street-wise companions of his in later chapters of which one is french and the other is irish, and of course the coaling worker on board the ocean-liner in the first chapter, who is of Romanian nationality, and so is the ownership of the ship).
-Italy: The visitor that Joseph K. is supposed to meet again in the Cathedral is from Italy.
Red: Places where noted dreams of Kafka were placed.
-Poland (a dream about the yiddish theatre)
-Germany (various dreams, such as the one about his "Trial" by the relatives of his first fiancee).
-France (fragment of a dream centered in Paris).
-Montenegro (dream of a person wearing traditional montenegrin clothes, a native of Montenegro).
Purple: Places mentioned by Kafka in his notes, not linked to the actual travel notes.
-Greece (a mention of a Greek doctor in some train).
-US (at least one mention, of political debates and anecdotes from the election of FDR, "threatening a man by raising his plastic cup).
-England (apart from a couple of notes about Dickens, there is a short diary entry which refers to Sherlock Holmes and a kind of window-gazing).
-Spain (various bits about his uncle, who lived in Madrid).
-Turkey (iirc this is mentioned in a dream, but i am not sure if it was Kafka's or another author from his circle and he just wrote it down. In the dream someone is cursing the author Franz Werfel as being a "turch". Kafka notes that this was a term of a local dialect, and a corruption of the term "turk", this was in Austria and Kafka argues the term was used in remebrance of the old Austrian-turkish wars).
-Austria (Kafka expressed in writing in his diary his aversion to immigrating to Vienna).
-Czechia (various notes about the local literary life, the one in the Czech language which Kafka spoke to a considerable degree).
-Poland (in the early parts of the diary, where he focuses on the Yiddish travelling actors).
-Russia (a lot of notes about Russia as a metaphor, due to its vast size. Also to some authors, mostly Dostoevsky and at least once Gogol. However i did not use the mere reference to writers as a reason by itself to utilise this color, otherwise there would also have been some other countries in purple, such as Norway--due to Knut Hamsun).
-Serbia (a note about the "stupid defeats in Serbia" written a short bit after they were happening during WWI).
-Persia (a small note about someone who claimed a sentence written by Kafka as part of a small poem, was "of persian rhythm").
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That is all, i guess
Oh, some final note:
Romania is partly black due to a lengthy story titled "The railway at Galda". However i am not at all sure if Galda is the town in Transylvania. Also iirc the story mentions Russia in the very first sentence, and in all probability Galda was not a border region between AH and Russia, so it should be another place not in current Romania.
So Romania is not definitely in the black tier...
Romania is partly black due to a lengthy story titled "The railway at Galda". However i am not at all sure if Galda is the town in Transylvania. Also iirc the story mentions Russia in the very first sentence, and in all probability Galda was not a border region between AH and Russia, so it should be another place not in current Romania.
So Romania is not definitely in the black tier...
That's awesome, cause i kinda lost my last map-posting privileges by being just goddamn slow (someone snatched it after like 5 days).Well, i suppose i will give away the answer and declare open floor
Well...
Things you need to know:
1. I made the map myself. And yes, it's a troll map. Of course it is. Hello?! It's me.
2. It's about a language thing. So it's messy.
3. There is virtually no actual gray in reality. Virtually everybody would fit into one of the four colours. The gray is mostly a result of me being lazy and the difficulty of deciding what the dominant languages of a country would be (i gave up while doing the Guianas). Most of the gray is probably green or light blue.
4. In most cases where there are clearly multiple dominant languages this works out just fine (e.g. Namibia is dark blue in Dutch, German, Afrikaans and most native languages as well).
5. The dark blue, light blue and red are all part of a class; the green is fundamentally different. Within that class the two blues form a sub-class, defined by my trollish standards. In some cases the blues could be argued one way or the other (Romanian and Korean would be borderline candidates).
Technically i could have just used one color for both. But i made the map a while back and didn't really consider the possibility of using it as a map to be guessed at the time.
6. Some languages also qualify for multiple colors if you want to be precise (e.g. Polish can be dark blue or green). I don't want to.
7. In case you are squinting right now: Both the Czech Republic and Slovakia are green.
8. You don't have to have a fancy knowledge of laguages to get this. For example Owen's advantage here would be marginal, if it exists at all.
2. It's about a language thing. So it's messy.
3. There is virtually no actual gray in reality. Virtually everybody would fit into one of the four colours. The gray is mostly a result of me being lazy and the difficulty of deciding what the dominant languages of a country would be (i gave up while doing the Guianas). Most of the gray is probably green or light blue.
4. In most cases where there are clearly multiple dominant languages this works out just fine (e.g. Namibia is dark blue in Dutch, German, Afrikaans and most native languages as well).
5. The dark blue, light blue and red are all part of a class; the green is fundamentally different. Within that class the two blues form a sub-class, defined by my trollish standards. In some cases the blues could be argued one way or the other (Romanian and Korean would be borderline candidates).
Technically i could have just used one color for both. But i made the map a while back and didn't really consider the possibility of using it as a map to be guessed at the time.
6. Some languages also qualify for multiple colors if you want to be precise (e.g. Polish can be dark blue or green). I don't want to.
7. In case you are squinting right now: Both the Czech Republic and Slovakia are green.
8. You don't have to have a fancy knowledge of laguages to get this. For example Owen's advantage here would be marginal, if it exists at all.
This should make it very easy. Just imagine being a dick - or me (same thing) - and it will fall into your lap.
PS: I'm making an educated guess here regarding Australian and NZ English here. If you guys cross me on this, i will hold a grudge. Fair warning.
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Borachio
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No. Well, not right now, no.
Why couldn't a parrot be multilingual? People can be. And parrots seem to get their powers of speech from people.
strijder20
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Dark blue: Countries where they will most likely understand you when you speak English
Light blue: Countries where they will most likely not understand you when you speak English
Red: Countries where they will say 'You have a funny accent' when you speak English
Green: Countries which regularly provide to the Engrish.com site
Light blue: Countries where they will most likely not understand you when you speak English
Red: Countries where they will say 'You have a funny accent' when you speak English
Green: Countries which regularly provide to the Engrish.com site
Borachio
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France should be in a category of its own, in that case: a country where the people will understand you perfectly but act like they've not a clue what you're saying. Especially if you've spent years and years studying French.
Spoiler :
strijder20
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In Paris they simply stared when I spoke to them in French; I never did succeed in making those idiots understand their language.
Mark Twain
No. But the - trollish - point of the map is kinda about English, if you want it to be. I do.
You guys are really making this too complicated.
strijder20
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Light blue: countries with one official language
Dark blue: countries with several official languages
Green: countries with many official languages:
Red: Countries with important minority language speakers which aren't recognized
Dark blue: countries with several official languages
Green: countries with many official languages:
Red: Countries with important minority language speakers which aren't recognized
