Gunman Kills 8 in Attack on School in Jerusalem

[HannibalBarka]

No and I don't care. Israelis don't attack civilian targets without reason. If the Palestinians didn't use civilian infrastructure for terrorism, they wouldn't be targeted.

You are Absolutly right. Soviets never send tanks into Prague without a good reason. Someone with 1/1000 of brain unsderstands that, only Czeck don't especially those from Brno (what the hell is that name, didn't you gguys forgot a voyel rsomething )

Palestinians, especially those in Gaza, act in a totally self-destructive way. They had an unique opportunity after the Israeli pull out to forge lasting peace with Israel. That's something anybody with half a brain would do - except Palestinians, who elected terrorists and started another campaign of terror against Israel. They deserve to be punished for that. Israel should crush them with such a force they'd finally come to their sense.

Halleluyah
And if they don't know how crush them, they should call the Russians to show them, or some Czeck from 1968 period. Oh wait , there are already 1 million russians in Israel. Voilà, Problem solved. Thank you Winner, the world is so easier with you
Now let's move to second problem: Serbia and Kosovo, should we crush the Serbs until they come to their sense or should we starve them to death?

 

[HannibalBarka]

Source plz.

Why? will that convice you?

 

[holy king]

only Czeck don't especially those from Brno (what the hell is that name, didn't you guys forgot a voyel or something )

brünn. there you got one...

 

[Bast]

It's sad. But Israel is going ahead with the peace talks so there's hope.

I also read an article that Egypt stopped some terrorist attacks that were planned in Israel. That is encouraging. Israel needs countries like Egypt to see the truth and become rational and want to work with them.

 

[Bast]

That is true. Others hate the Palestinians so much they will justify the most ******** actions of IDF. Reasonable people should fight both

So you think IDF are terrorists? No, you're not reasonable if you think IDF are terrorists. You are one of those people that think Israel should be wiped off the map. You delude yourself into thinking that you're reasonable but you only see from the Palestinian side of things.

Any injustice that happens to Israel, you excuse it with one reason or another. Who declared war on Israel first? Who started the terrorist attacks first?

You are not reasonable.

 

[Bast]

anti-zionist is not the same as anti-Semetic.

Zionism means a belief in a Jewish homeland. You don't believe in that? That's like saying you don't believe that Australians should have their homeland in Australia.

Israel is a sovereign state.

And yes, most of the time anti-Zionism is a thinly veiled disguise for anti-Semitism.

 

[HannibalBarka]

So you think IDF are terrorists?

No. what makes you think that?

No, you're not reasonable if you think IDF are terrorists. You are one of those people that think Israel should be wiped off the map. You delude yourself into thinking that you're reasonable but you only see from the Palestinian side of things.

Thank you Doctor Dolto, see you next friday. I'd like to discuss my Oedipian proble next week, is that OK?

Any injustice that happens to Israel, you excuse it with one reason or another. Who declared war on Israel first?

Egypt? Jordan?

Who started the terrorist attacks first?

That I know, King's David Hotel bombing by Shamir and Begin's Irgun or was it Stern

You are not reasonable.

Nope, at least not with two kind of people:
1. Those who want to deport the Jews to the Sea,
2. Those who want to deport the Pals to the Desert

You're not one of those, are you?

 

[Ecofarm]

Why? will that convice you?

Convice me of what? That Hamas has the right to target civilians? No.

I'm wondering if I should pay any attention to your information at all, or just ignore it as invented propoganda. Without a source, I will have no choice but to ignore that "information", as I have no intention of investigating your possible sources or the issue.

The fact that you would be reluctant to post your source (after quoting multiple paragraphs from it) probably tells me all I need to know.

Who posts paragraphs from sources and does not identify the source? What a joke. You expect people to take you seriously with secret sources?

Hopefully, it was at least wiki and not al-jazeera online or your own personal investigative journalism with little numbers added in paranthesis at the end of some sentances for authenticity.

Tell us the truth... did you write that paper for your Wahhabi?

 

[HannibalBarka]

Zionism means a belief in a Jewish homeland. You don't believe in that? That's like saying you don't believe that Australians should have their homeland in Australia.
Israel is a sovereign state.
And yes, most of the time anti-Zionism is a thinly veiled disguise for anti-Semitism.

Zionism is outdated, we're already in post-zionism. The issue is not if the Israeli should or should not have a state, that is already done, and noone can undo it, the issue is what are the frontiers of said state and how it should coexist with a Palestinians one.

 

[Bast]

Zionism is outdated, we're already in post-zionism. The issue is not if the Israeli should or should not have a state, that is already done, and noone can undo it, the issue is what are the frontiers of said state and how it should coexist with a Palestinians one.

Well at least something we can agree on. Tell that to those I'm "anti-Zionist but not anti-Semitic" crowd.

 

[HannibalBarka]

Convice me of what? That Hamas has the right to target civilians? No.
I'm wondering if I should pay any attention to your information at all, or just ignore it as invented propoganda. Without a source, I will have no choice but to ignore that "information", as I have no intention of investigating your possible sources or the issue.
The fact that you would be reluctant to post your source (after quoting multiple paragraphs from it) probably tells me all I need to know.
Who posts paragraphs from sources and does not identify the source? What a joke. You expect people to take you seriously with "secret sources"?
Hopefully, it was at least wiki and not al-jazeera online (or your own investigative journalism).

no they are not secret, goolge: "Israel Tom segev Ilan Pappe Refugee" you'll find tons

 

[HannibalBarka]

Well at least something we can agree on. Tell that to those I'm "anti-Zionist but not anti-Semitic" crowd.

Ok and I'll let tell that to the settlers

 

[Bast]

No. what makes you think that?

I'm not going to get into an argument of semantics again.

But this is what you said.

That is true. Others hate the Palestinians so much they will justify the most ******** actions of IDF.

- in response to -

It is. Some people hate the Israelis so much they will justify the most ******** actions of terrorists.

What this implies is that you think Palestinians have a right to defend themselves from IDF(terrorists), just like skadistic thinks Israelis have a right to defend themselves from terrorists.

If you think that's not true. Fine.

 

[Ecofarm]

no they are not secret, goolge: "Israel Tom segev Ilan Pappe Refugee" you'll find tons

Nah. I don't want to google anything.

If you refuse to tell us your source, then I know it is complete BS. Typical from Hamas apologists and terrorist sympathizers. Thanks anyway.

 

[RedRalph]

anybody has the right to defend themslves from any attack, regardless of the reasons for the attack.

 

[Bast]

Ok and I'll let tell that to the settlers

Don't need to. That's what Olmert and Abbas are employed for.

But if you are reasonable, as you say you are, then you need to speak up when prejudice is shown on message boards or in real life.

If someone's unreasonably condemning the Palestinians, you've spoken up but I'm yet to see you do that against people who are blatantly anti-Israeli.

 

[HannibalBarka]

Nah. I don't want to google anything.

Why? you don't know how? it's easy
Typical from neocon apologists and abughraib criminal sympathizers. Thanks anyway.

If you refuse to tell us your source, then I know it is complete BS.
Typical from Hamas apologists and terrorist sympathizers. Thanks anyway.

us? how many are you? are you speaking for some one esle?
And you're welcome.

 

[holy king]

for you, ecofarm:

review:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=LEN20070207&articleId=4715
and criticism:
http://www.zionism-israel.com/log/archives/00000292.html

 

[HannibalBarka]

Don't need to. That's what Olmert and Abbas are employed for.

mmyeah not really convinced. None has the chrisma, the will or the power to achieve peace, but Let's hope.

But if you are reasonable, as you say you are, then you need to speak up when prejudice is shown on message boards or in real life.

Thanks for the advise Dr Dolto

If someone's unreasonably condemning the Palestinians, you've spoken up but I'm yet to see you do that against people who are blatantly anti-Israeli.

Emmm, I've done that before, don't worry. I'm yet to see speak up against people who are blatantly anti-Palestinian. you know one like this

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=6576367&postcount=68

 

[Winner]

so you indemnify Israel from any action it takes? Its incapable of doing wrong? If civilians are killed by Israel, regardless of circumstance, then by Winner's definition, it was for a good reason?

I say that Israelis are the good side of this conflict. No, they're not allmighty, all-knowing and infallible, but they're civilized people ruled by democratic government.

Palestinians are uncivilized (as they demonstrate by their savage attacks against Israeli civilians) and ruled by either corrupt kleptocratic government, or fundementalist terrorist government.

From the Western perspective, Palestinians are useless bunch of troublemakers who have never done anything good for us, while Israelis are our friends and allies.

I don't see a single reason why should the West help the Palestinians, we owe them nothing, they're not of any use to us and since they're terrorists, they are in fact our enemies.

because you cant negotiate with arabs, what did you not get?

That's the best you can do? Of course you can negotiate with them, but it's extraordinarily complicated. Palestinians are just the most obtuse part of this nation.