Guy from Scotland faces year in prison for training his dog (to do the Nazi salute)

[Timsup2nothin]

Hate can be inspired by anything. Was the video a deliberate attempt to inspire hate? No. This is like trying to explain the concept of humour to Mr Spock.

The video was deliberately delivered to known hate filled people who predictably used it in furtherance of their cause. You've tried "they were already hateful" and you've tried "it wasn't deliberate" and both seem such obvious dead ends. Got anything better?

 

[Berzerker]

A friend of mine works on a campus in the American south. I forget when it was, but either on MLK day 2017 or the first day of Black History month a bunch of nooses and bananas were hung up early in the morning on the main entrance.

Prank or racism?

Is there any actual difference between the two really? How should a court of law determine?

Both? The court should be looking into the littering, not the motives of the litterers.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Both? The court should be looking into the littering, not the motives of the litterers.

Nice! Littering as a hate crime.

I was trying to think of a way, even under weak US laws, that these clowns could be eliminated from the ideological gene pool and not allowed to spawn, but being a racist knucklehead, in itself, is not a crime. However, littering is. Now the question becomes whether the "hate crime" statutes that apply there are written such that they limit the type or severity of crimes that they can be applied to.

 

[bernie14]

heilarious

 

[Borachio]

 

[Senethro]

RIP Gene

 

[Manfred Belheim]

A friend of mine works on a campus in the American south. I forget when it was, but either on MLK day 2017 or the first day of Black History month a bunch of nooses and bananas were hung up early in the morning on the main entrance.

Prank or racism?

Is there any actual difference between the two really? How should a court of law determine?

I would say that one is a prank and racism.

But still not criminal.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

The video was deliberately delivered to known hate filled people who predictably used it in furtherance of their cause. You've tried "they were already hateful" and you've tried "it wasn't deliberate" and both seem such obvious dead ends. Got anything better?

Well I don't believe it was deliberately delivered to anyone, it was just put on YouTube. And they were still already hateful. And really I don't care about who watched it or what they thought anyway.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Well I don't believe it was deliberately delivered to anyone, it was just put on YouTube. And they were still already hateful. And really I don't care about who watched it or what they thought anyway.

That's cool. However, you didn't draft the applicable laws, and those people apparently did care what people "just put on youtube."

So, my final thoughts here...

1) Even though I don't think anything you brought up was insurmountable you did give the guy a spirited defense. If he can afford a lawyer that will try as hard he's a lucky, though still probably found guilty, guy.

2) I recognize that your defense of this guy isn't due to his being an alt-right swine. The defendant is just a card you're dealt, and ya gotta play out the hand.

As always, it's been fun.

 

[Megabyte Me]

Long time lurker. First time poster. I wasn't planning on making an account but I just had to comment on this.

What's happened to this place?! How anyone can think its a GOOD THING to jail someone over making a joke is beyond me. I get it that someone people are concerned that a joke like this is "normalizing nazis" but it not. It's really not. The butt of the joke is that nazis are bad and he took his girlfriend's harmless little dog with his cute little mustache and trained him to do this awful gesture to annoy her - This is the reason why some people find it funny and watching a funny dog video about how nazis are bad isn't going to turn anyone into a nazi. I hate to be one of the few voices of reason here but that's absurd.

I also find it amusing that the people most concerned about stopping nazis from being promoted on the internet are the ones who are inadvertently normalizing nazis with their unfounded paranoia and accusing everyone (seemingly at random) of being some sort of secret nazi while voicing their support for crushing people's civil liberties and jailing them for really benign things like making a joke.

Dear Lord!

 

[yung.carl.jung]

A friend of mine works on a campus in the American south. I forget when it was, but either on MLK day 2017 or the first day of Black History month a bunch of nooses and bananas were hung up early in the morning on the main entrance.

Prank or racism?

Is there any actual difference between the two really? How should a court of law determine?

Instead of calling it a hatecrime, why lawmakers include this under harassment? This reminds me of that one poor Jewish woman that was called 24/7 by neonazis because one alt-right figurehead posted her telefone number online after some dispute. Obviously nooses and gallows are racist symbols, so this is an advanced form of psychological harassment, maybe a new terminology should be created?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Long time lurker. First time poster. I wasn't planning on making an account but I just had to comment on this.

What's happened to this place?! How anyone can think its a GOOD THING to jail someone over making a joke is beyond me. I get it that someone people are concerned that a joke like this is "normalizing nazis" but it not. It's really not. The butt of the joke is that nazis are bad and he took his girlfriend's harmless little dog with his cute little mustache and trained him to do this awful gesture to annoy her - This is the reason why some people find it funny and watching a funny dog video about how nazis are bad isn't going to turn anyone into a nazi. I hate to be one of the few voices of reason here but that's absurd.

I also find it amusing that the people most concerned about stopping nazis from being promoted on the internet are the ones who are inadvertently normalizing nazis with their unfounded paranoia and accusing everyone (seemingly at random) of being some sort of secret nazi and voicing their support for crushing people's civil liberties and jailing them for really benign things like making a joke.

Dear Lord!

Welcome to the party.

 

[Megabyte Me]

In the past year I've heard more about nazis from sjws trying to limit the civil liberties and free speech of non-nazis than I have from ACTUAL FREAKING NAZIS.

Get a grip people.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

In the past year I've heard more about nazis from sjws trying to limit the civil liberties and free speech of non-nazis than I have from ACTUAL FREAKING NAZIS.

Take a brief tour of the comments section on Breitbart. That will balance the scales right quick.

 

[Bamspeedy]

A friend of mine works on a campus in the American south. I forget when it was, but either on MLK day 2017 or the first day of Black History month a bunch of nooses and bananas were hung up early in the morning on the main entrance.

Prank or racism?

Is there any actual difference between the two really? How should a court of law determine?

This incident?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/03/...ck-nooses-and-a-campus-erupts-in-protest.html

Happened on the second-to-last day of black history month, but I don't think that had anything to do with it, and more to do with the first day a black woman became student government president.

I'm not seeing what was supposed to be funny about it, and it was obviously aimed at a black person, just because they are black, so racism.

 

[Bamspeedy]

I've heard about Breitbart and the alt-right 100x more from Tim than all the other sources in my life combined.

 

[Megabyte Me]

Take a brief tour of the comments section on Breitbart. That will balance the scales right quick.

Then I guess we're all in some serious trouble since everyone who reads Breitbart is a secret nazi. I suppose you're right.

At this point all we can really do is force the scumbag who made this video to delete his propoganda clip, make a video issuing an apology, and then we jail him. It might also be worth noting that anyone who "liked" that video, or shared it is a nazi now. They'll have to be fined/jailed/executed and anyone else who happened to of seen the video is now a suspected nazi until otherwise noted - we'll deal with them later.

Now that just leaves the dog. It's too late for it to be retrained. It promotes nazi propoganda when cued and who's going to want to adopt a nazi dog if we were to re-home it? Probably nazis. Can't have that otherwise this dog will be heil'ing Hitler every odd Saturday when it's new skinhead owners get drunk and watch old WWII movies just so they can root for the nazis. The only humane thing to do is to put it down.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Then I guess we're all on some serious trouble since everyone who reads Breitbart is a secret nazi.

Really? I never saw any evidence of that! "Secret" Nazis, you say? If someone just reads it and doesn't actually say anything about it, how would you tell that they are a Nazi? Or for that matter, even that they read it?

I have noticed that plenty of comments on Breitbart do come from Nazis, and they ain't secret about it. That's why I suggested that as a place that you could balance the scales right quick if you feel you've not seen enough from "actual freakin' Nazis." You could also try Stormfront. I've been banned there for quite a while, but I doubt that much has changed there so there should be an abundant supply of Nazis...again not secret Nazis, just plain Nazis. Then there's The Daily Stormer, though hopefully there won't be for long. The freedom of speech of THAT particular Nazi hive seems to be about played out. All in all though, plenty of Nazis to go around.

 

[Senethro]

This incident?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/03/...ck-nooses-and-a-campus-erupts-in-protest.html

Happened on the second-to-last day of black history month, but I don't think that had anything to do with it, and more to do with the first day a black woman became student government president.

I'm not seeing what was supposed to be funny about it, and it was obviously aimed at a black person, just because they are black, so racism.

Different campus. Different state even! So I suspect I've merged the memory of two different incidents happening about the same time.

 

[Megabyte Me]

I have noticed that plenty of comments on Breitbart do come from Nazis, and they ain't secret about it...

You could also try Stormfront...

Then there's The Daily Stormer...

All in all though, plenty of Nazis to go around.

You know what? I'm starting to think that you're a secret nazi. I mean why else would you be promoting all of these nazi propaganda sites, which you've already admitted you're quite familiar with? You could have just PM'ed me this in private, but you CHOSE to post this on the internet in a public forum, so the excuse that "this is just a conversation between us two," well that isn't going to cut it. That comment wasn't 'targeted' at me. Clearly you included everyone who could potentially view this forum as part of your audience. That was your choice.

Not only are you using this site as a means to spread your hateful propoganda and recruit nazis. You're reason I know and everyone else who read your propoganda knows about these sites now. That's because you splashed that comment on the internet well aware that this group called the alt-right would be inspired by your comment. Not amused. Not entertained. Inspired.

Hopefully you live in the UK and justice will be swift.