Hammer of the North v2 PBEM

[BKA]

Quick note to all:

My computer is currently at maintenance 'cause someone ( ) hasn't learned not to mess around in it.

So, until I get it back, I'm not able to play my turn (been almost a week now! )

Regards

BKA

 

[Patient English]

OK, Duke. The CivDip finally worked. Thanks!

The Danes appear to have declared war on me. Fair enough. We'll see what happens before I take any action or call on my allies...

Copper from Gloucester to Paris: +328 gold

 

[BKA]

Computer back online. I'm so happy.

 

[Arthedain]

The Danes appear to have declared war on me. Fair enough. We'll see what happens before I take any action or call on my allies...

The thing is, I haven't declared on you, except for in game. You told me you would sink any danish ships in anglo-saxon waters and I respect that. That's why I can't tolerate any anglo-saxon ships in my waters, so I sank your transport just outside of Hedeby. I felt it was the right thing to do especially after I told you to head back with that ship and you didn't.

What it all comes down to is, no danish ships in your waters, and no anglo-saxon ships in my waters.

 

[Morten Blaabjerg]

Frankish warships have accidentally blocked the channel again, to the potential slight inconvenience of Danish and Norse drakkars crossing the strait... The warships are on their way to Frankish harbors, seeking fresh supplies.
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Anyone who has played the new version yet in SP?

 

[Duke of Marlbrough]

An unprovoked ego driven attack that was not annouced during the turn....? Interesting.

 

[Arthedain]

Unprovoked? Haven't you been reading the posts lately?

 

[Duke of Marlbrough]

Most certainly have been:

Danes turn:

Danes
King Sven we're chocked about two things. First of all, a French war galley blocked the way into and outo the English Channel, thus causing us delays in our pickup of the settlers in Normandy. Hopefully this is just a temporary blockade.
Second of all we found an Anglo-Saxon war galley (in a stack) in Danish waters (68,82 outside of Groningen, Frisland). We urge the Anglo-Saxons to withdraw their vessels from Danish waters unless they have a reasonable argument why they should sail there. You've been warned before..

Reasonable response to seeing unknown warships in your waters.

Anglo-Saxon Response:

Danes, the War Galley is escorting a Knarr bearing goods for Hedeby. It will gone next turn...

Danes reply:

No need to escort from now on, just tell me it's goods..

Seems that all is well.

Anglo-Saxons add some more reasons:

But Danish ships are not the only potential threats to me - the Norse for example are only in a fragile ceasefire....I will not block Danish waters with my warships, but they are needed to protect my convoys in international waters

Requesting a trade good be sent back after many turns at sea, when there is no established protocol that 'trade agreements' need to be in place?

A sea square right off the coast of Frisland (which belongs to the Danes) is not international water by any means. It's even in the city radius of Groningen.
And IIRC correctly we don't have a trade agreement, therefore we request your ships to head back to Anglo-Saxon waters again.

The Scots try to point out that the ships must actually travel to their destination

I doubt the Anglo-Saxons were referring to the current placement of his ships as International Waters, but, to deliver his goods the ship must pass through International Waters along the way.

Demand made because of ?

@ anglo-saxons:
I'm not happy at all, in fact king Sven is furious, that you ignored our statement.
There will be no trade between us from now on. And no english ships in Danish waters.

The Anglo-Saxons reply in kind

Fair enough. If that's the way you want it. If I see a Danish ship or trader or other unit in "English waters" (whatever I decide those to be at the time), they will be immediately destroyed....

Turn of deceit by not announcing the attack:

You brought it upon yourself by ignoring my post..

Anyways, here's the turn. Game on guys.

The 'reason' for the attack?

The thing is, I haven't declared on you, except for in game. You told me you would sink any danish ships in anglo-saxon waters and I respect that. That's why I can't tolerate any anglo-saxon ships in my waters, so I sank your transport just outside of Hedeby. I felt it was the right thing to do especially after I told you to head back with that ship and you didn't.

What it all comes down to is, no danish ships in your waters, and no anglo-saxon ships in my waters.

So, The Scots ask, what was it that provoked the attack? All we see are egos on both sides of the conflict being bruised.

Also, the Scots smell a set-up and would not be surprised if forces seem to instantly appear around the world ready to fight.

 

[BKA]

Anyone who has played the new version yet in SP?

I've played it Morten

It's great! Like the feel, the graphics and the balance.

Played a game with the Frisians (not finished). My strategy: Diplomats and Warlords!

You can download this attachment to see how far I have come.

Great Scenario.

Cheers Bo

 

[BKA]

Isn't it your turn Duke btw?

 

[Duke of Marlbrough]

I was waiting to see if there would be any more talk about the 'war'. Guess not.

 

[BKA]

Norse Turn:

Warning to the King of the Danes:
Your wessels blocking the access south of Sweden will NOT be tolerated!
Remove the ships or you will be at war with the Norse.

Else all quiet.
Newly arrived Norse in the Frankish kingdom will be removed next turn.

Other News from around the world:

Christian Monks arrive in Saxony.
Frisian breweries hire new recruits.
Norse vikings raid Normandy.
Norse vikings settle in Normandy.

 

[Arthedain]

@ Scots: Your statement doesn't mean anything, mostly because you're not neutral at all.

I told him not to trade with me, he had NO REASON to do so, even though he was just one square away and, in your opinion, no trade agreements are needed.
Then he told me that he was going to sink my ships if they were in his waters while he had a ship in my water. So I sank his knarr. And I didn't mentioned it in my thread, cause the all mighty powerful KING SVEN was still mad about the trade.

Nuff said.

Turn coming up..

 

[Arthedain]

Danes
We apologise to the Norse, ships has been withdrawn.

@ Anglo-Saxon: Feel free to waste the Chief in your territory.

 

[Gary J. Durham]

Here it is. Duke, thanks again for the assistance with my kid brother's dinking around with my system.

The check is in the mail...

 

[Patient English]

What it all comes down to is, no danish ships in your waters, and no anglo-saxon ships in my waters.

No, what it comes down to is that you sunk one of my ships without declaring war. Two can play at that game.

Danish Drakkar sunk with one unit on board in the EnglishChannel, by English veteran Drakkar (reduced to 10%)

@ Anglo-Saxon: Feel free to waste the Chief in your territory.

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Oh, I thought of something better than that.

Viking Chief in the East Anglian fens bribed for 247 gold.

Large Norse Fleet spotted off East Anglia. Obviously this is a hostile invasion Fleet from the allies of the sneak-attacking Danes. Who maybe tipped their hand too early.... King Alfred's Navy take action:

Anglo-Saxon War Galley beats Norse Knarr, and sinks two units it was carrying. It is reduced to 80%
80% War Galley loses to Norse Drakkar, which is reduced to 10%
Anglo-Saxon veteran Drakkar beats 10% Norse Drakkar, and is reduced to 90%. A unit that the Drakkar was stacked with was also sunk.
Anglo-Saxon veteran Drakkar beats Norse Drakkar, and is reduced to 5%. A unit that the Drakkar was stacked with was also sunk. ...close....

Norse Fleet wiped out.

Preparations made to resist the second Norse Invasion Fleet, currently south of Devon.

Norse Drakkar sunk at <61,75> in the North Sea, by English Drakkar - which is sunk in turn by storms (ending it's turn away from land). Damn - I forgot that could happen.

OK, the gloves are off.... King Alfred refrains from calling on his allies at the moment. We have had to act to preserve our realm, but no warning was given to our allies, so it would be unfair to ask for their aid at this time.

 

[BKA]

I've had enough of this PBEM. I'm quitting.

 

[Morten Blaabjerg]

In response to the recent acts of war, King Charles has decided to join the war against the Danes - while wondering about the sudden conflict arosen between the Norse and the Anglo-Saxons. As far as king Charles is concerned, the Norse settlers in Normandy has been living quiet for almost 100 years alongside Frankish farmers, with no problems, and the Frankish people wish no conflict with our peaceful Norse neighbours.

However, Frankish forces commence a campaign to free the long-invaded Frisian realms of their Danish oppressors, in support of the Anglo-Saxon fight against the Danes, and the Frisian fight for independence under the Frankish crown. The cease fire with the Danes (which was never formally signed) is off!

Bruges and Ghent falls to the first Frankish attack wave, which leaves open vulnerable spots and passageways in Friesland, allowing Frankish warships to block the waters to southern Friesland.

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Bo, please reconsider not to quit - the game has many turns left, and I am sure you still have some many tricks up your sleeve...

 

[Patient English]

Bo, are you quitting because of my attack against you (sneaky, I know, but as I'm sure you appreciate, I felt very threatened)?

If so, can I just ask Morten if sneak attacks (such as mine on the Norse, and the Danes on me, the preceding move) are disallowed in this scenario playtest?

If they are, and I have broken the rules, I apologise, and will play my turn again. This would presumably mean that the Danes had to replay their turn before me....?

If sneak attacks ARE allowed, can I ask why you are leaving? You seemed quite happy to be playing last move....

 

[Arthedain]

No, what it comes down to is that you sunk one of my ships without declaring war. Two can play at that game.

Danish Drakkar sunk with one unit on board in the EnglishChannel, by English veteran Drakkar (reduced to 10%)

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Oh, I thought of something better than that.

Viking Chief in the East Anglian fens bribed for 247 gold.

Fair enough.

Though attacking the Norse was not thar fair (though you need not be fair in love and war, right). As you might've seen by our reoports we've had some arguments too, with ships in each others waters etc. We might be allied in game, that's for sure, but since our latest quarrel, I'm not sure where we stand.
Hope we can get Bo back. Or else I think we start a new PBEM of this, with the newest version. Let's not be too hasty though, maybe Bo will change his mind.