Harald Hardrada

[cooldude1128]

I'm just kind of stuck between being amused by the number of people stressed over the european civs and just being quietly annoyed. In the meantime I will enjoy Denmark/Nordic/vikings.

 

[j51]

I'm not mad at the inclusion of Vikings.
I'm going to have to watch my sodium levels if it's "Norway" instead of Vikings though.

As much as I want non-Euro civs (and that's a lot), I am glad we're getting a Norway or Viking civ early, because they are fun. I'm with you about hoping it's of the broader Norse/Viking variety, however. Then they could add Gustavus as a dlc leader later, with an early-modern combat oriented ability and religious agenda. It looks like they're already doing something similar with Greece. That would help prevent Balkanization of civs too.

 

[Brianstorm]

My problem is the guy's a loser and only known for being the third king in a two king war. Maybe him and Cleo will make fast friends.

 

[Nikolai II]

I'm just kind of stuck between being amused by the number of people stressed over the european civs and just being quietly annoyed. In the meantime I will enjoy Denmark/Nordic/vikings.

Nordic and Viking I can get, but DENMARK? Harald Hardråde was Norwegian through and through, dammit.

 

[Nikolai II]

My problem is the guy's a loser and only known for being the third king in a two king war. Maybe him and Cleo will make fast friends.

Except he was a mighty warrior who strenghtened Norway, and he improved the economy a lot by taking control over the trade routes along the coast.

 

[Red Menace]

can someone point out the source? I really want to see it.

 

[Nikolai II]

can someone point out the source? I really want to see it.

Here:

 

[Red Menace]

Here:

Spoiler :

Thank you, you glorious fanatic.

Gorgo and PHILLIP THE II, it really is him. but who is Gorgo?

 

[Kouvb593kdnuewnd]

Vikings atleast represent something else then the early modern colony powers France, England and Spain. Yes they are european but in terms of representation they represent something else.

 

[Nikolai II]

Thank you, you glorious fanatic.

Gorgo and PHILLIP THE II, it really is him. but who is Gorgo?

Gorgo is a Spartan queen known from 300.

 

[Haggbart]

I think Harald Hardrada as leader pretty much confirms Oslo as capital.

Also some sort of economic or trading UA would be fitting (he developed a norwegian currency), or maybe some sort of religious bonus from spreading christianity in Norway.

UU might be viking ship or hird, if from the leader's time.

UB from the leader's time might be longhouse (already used for the Iroquois in CiV) or mead hall

 

[Siptah]

If there is another naval UU, Firaxis seems to hope that naval battles are much more a thing in Civ VI. I wonder why. Why not the berserk again? And how about a unique harbor or encampment district (longhouse)? Yes, I know, those are all clichées.

 

[Kouvb593kdnuewnd]

I think naval warfare will be more important because of "unlimited" trade routes. Each city can give your civ 2 trade routes if it is near the coast so if you have 10 such cities you can have 20 trade routes and like in previous version naval routes may be stronger then land based routes.

10 cities is a smal empire, a larger 25 city empire can have 50 trade routes and each of these is maybe more powerful then a building so if you lose your best routes you will be in trouble.

Trade also seems to be the main way to get gold in civ VI which again emphasize naval warfare.

 

[MadDjinn]

Gorgo is a Spartan queen known from 300.

oh that's mean.

She was the Spartan Queen from real life, not the fictionalized whatever from a not very historical film.

 

[Nikolai II]

oh that's mean.

She was the Spartan Queen from real life, not the fictionalized whatever from a not very historical film.

Hey, I haven't even seen the movie. But I think most people would recognize her from there rather than a history book.

 

[Haggbart]

If there is another naval UU, Firaxis seems to hope that naval battles are much more a thing in Civ VI. I wonder why. Why not the berserk again? And how about a unique harbor or encampment district (longhouse)? Yes, I know, those are all clichées.

I'm guessing since England have an unique harbor districts, Norway won't. Unique encampment district is possible, but longhouses are actual buildings, and it would be weird to have a district called longhouse with other buildings inside it. Also it was used in CiV, as were berserkers.

Viking ships and viking warriors are perhaps the most historically distinct norwegian military unit, so it would be strange if none of them are in. Ski troops have been represented in the game before (as the generic "Norwegian ski infantry"), maybe they will opt for "ski commandos", from the WW2 Operation Gunnerside.

I wonder if there will be a mix of old (viking) and modern elements, if so there might be some economic bonuses from oil resources.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Stave Church could be a Temple replacement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stave_church

 

[King Jason]

Where's my Southeast Asian civ? Do we really need to overcrowd Europe with Eurocentrism.

Well, we wouldn't want to crowd Asia or Africa with eurocentricism

 

[Stauffenberg]

I think Harald Hardrada as leader pretty much confirms Oslo as capital.

Not sure about that.

In the Viking era Norway didn't have an established capital. The de facto capital was the city the King lived in. E. g. just before the year 1000 Olav Trygvason was king of Norway and he lived in Nidaros (old name of Trondheim). Borg (old name for Sarpsborg) was considered to be Norway's earliest capital when Olav den Hellige (St. Olav) made the city his residence.

According to history you can't really speak of a capital in Norway earlier than 1250. Then Bergen was the main city and functioned as a capital. From 1299 the King moved from Bergen to Oslo. From 1314 Oslo took over the role as a capital.

In 1380 Norway had to enter a union with Denmark with Copenhagen as the capital. Until 1537 one can speak of a de facto capital function in Oslo, but after 1537 to 1814 you can say that Norway was ruled from Copenhagen. Oslo changed name to Christiania in 1624.

From 1814 Norway was traded to Sweden and was ruled from Stockholm. In 1877 Christiania changed name to Kristiania. Norway only became independent in 1905 with Kristiania as a capital. It changed name back to Oslo in 1924.

If the Norwegians in civ 6 are considered to be vikings then it would probably be more correct to use Nidaros as the capital. I'm not sure about the civ tradition for naming cities in civilizations who existed a long time ago. If these cities exist today they often have modern names in civ 6. So we might even see Trondheim as a capital in civ 6. Or if the civ 6 researchers make it simple they designate Oslo as the capital.

What speaks for Oslo as a capital is that Harald Hardråde became king in 1046 and started expanding in eastern Norway. He took control over Oslo in 1062 and the city expanded rapidly during that period. However, Harald Hardråde died in 1066 at the battle of Stamford Bridge against the Saxon king Harold Godwinsson. The fierce battle between the Norwegians and Saxons at Stamford Bridge crippled the Norwegians and virtually ended the Viking era. It also weakened the Saxons so much so they had no chance stopping the Normans under William the conqueror. 1066 was the year Norway had a chance to rule England.

 

[Stauffenberg]

Harald Hardråde was known for plunder raids so maybe having longships as their special unit with an ability to plunder hexes for gold could be something to add.

Harald Hardråde had prior to becoming king spent time in exile in Gardariket (near Kiev) and even in Byzantium. He brought good skills about trade back to Norway. So it would be natural to give Norway some kind of trade bonus from overseas trade routes.

I guess Norway would get some kind of modern bonuses, e. g. regarding to oil industry or seafaring. E. g. harbor districts could give bonuses to offshore resources.

I believe it's a bigger chance we get the viking longship as the special unit compared to the berserker. Quite a few other civilizations seem to get naval special units. The longship was fast and efficient boats at the time. They could even cross ocean hexes so maybe the Norwegians should be given a chance to sail in ocean hexes before they research astronomy. E. g. Leiv Eiriksson sailed all the way to Vinland (probably the tip of Newfoundland) in the year 1000.