Has GWB hurt us credibility abroad?

[Tulkas12]

There are plenty who totally support President Bush and his foreign policies...but ya know..for some reason they just dont get as much airtime as Cindy Sheehan does for some reason.

LOL, yea. . .

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

Oh man, more of this French nonsense.

I have more respect for the French on matters of war than the Americans for the simple fact that they have endured two of the worlds most horrible wars ever fought on their own soil, and that they were at one point under the rule of a puppet government. They have tasted true and utter defeat, and know what its like.

I can't say that the same can be said of the U.S.

Well, the United States as a nation was not "occupied" in the sense that WWII France was, but we were colonies, which is IMO worse than being a puppet state. Obviously, we got fed up with getting the short end of the stick, and we rebelled!
The United States has 'endured' far less, because it is a realatively new nation in the world stage (England, almost 1000 years, France, about 1200 years, to name a few), but it's not as if we haven't seen ou fair share in that time of horridness. The Civil War, for example, I don't recall a civil war anywhere that was as bloody and full of hate as ours was, nor one who's roots ran so deep. As someone else has said, I forget who, we did have our capital burned to the ground in 1812; granted D.C. is no Paris, but that's still a major blow to be held by any nation.

 

[nonconformist]

We saved your ass in '76!

 

[Mr. Dictator]

i'm sorry, I'm about liberal as it gets, but you're a COMPLETE MORON; i put this about as nice as possible.

you contradict your self with every thing you say.. uuurgh! just stop please. ure givin us a bad name.

I feel sorry for whatevr college accepted u

im sorry but how did i contradict myself and how am i a moron?

he just said to pull aid out of the world. i said that that would be wrong, then i made a comment about how a lot of americans feel like they are the christ of the global community. i see no contradiction.

im just saying that we should help others.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

We saved your ass in '76!

Very true, and I assure you, Americans have not forgotten about it. After all, we saved your ass in '18 and '44, it sometimes feels like that's forgotten, too.

 

[Abaddon]

total nosedive in popularity because of him.

 

[Sidhe]

No @#$%? I didn't specify that it started with their meddling in the civil war? Really I didn't? Reread and stop thinking that every US citizen has no idea of his history, not only that I lov ethe classical liberal france, my whole political philosophy is derived from their revolution and the US's. The age of reason finally came to fruition in these movements. . . a truly blessed time. So back of, heck an apology would be nice since you have basically insinuated ignorance here.

As for what we owe them? That debt has been paid. . .twice over imo and happily so, if it came to it again we'd help them again. . .SH#T, the US's only real loss in 100 years was vietnam, geuss why we f@#$%#$ went Sidhe?. . . Geuss. If anything they owe us at this frickin point, and france has done little to repay that debt, hell england has don more and owes us far less.





Yes, I am a littl keen to force our veiws on others. Our veiws in the long term end civil strife. Continued civil strife is going to be the end of humanity, at this rate it is only a matter of time before a madman actually does get his way, especially with the majority of the world scared sh#itless to even make a move, simply because alot of people will die. A heck of alot more people are going to die if we don't change the tide in the mideast. Diplomacy has failed in the mid-east. . .What was it 14 UN resolutions completely ignored by Iraq? C'mon, what was it, 16? Thats before 9/11. The UN is even more impedent now, it has become a mockery of what it was to be, and its going to cost us all.





Jesus man, I was rooting for a frickin team, until now I thought you reasonably kind and friendly, maybe you had just one of those days where you wanted to b the antagonist, fine, but for goodness sakes man.

I am sorry but this whole post actually got under my skin. Again I would aprreciate an apology for insinuating that I did not know my own history.

I didn't say that what I said was how soon you forget, this means when you think about disliking the country people often forget about all the good they have done for you in order to maintain a level of hate despite being logically inconcsistent, in other words if I leant Eric a tenner ten years ago then when I slapped him in the back of the head last week he's unlikely to remember the good deed. This is just human nature. If you didn't know that France aided you in the civil war I would have been flabberghasted, I was trying to make a oint about covenient memory, you know here you conveniently dismiss history for your own reasons, whatever they may be. Anyway I apologise if there was any percieved offence.

Continued civil strife is effectively best ended by continued civil strife caused by US meddling, OK, I don't think that makes any sense, we definitely have to agree to disagree on that one.

I was routing for our team I was just saying we did badly is all, it wasn't meant to be some dismissal of your support. Sorry for the percieved slight again.

 

[CaptainF]

Cough...I was replying to YNCS. Not you.



So you have more respect for them because they have been truely and utterly defeated? Even more than the USA who also had men that fought and died in both world wars? Yes, you can say that the USA has never been invaded or utterly defeated. How is that a bad thing? /shrug.

I believe that they are wiser about war than us. They know when war really counts.

In life when you are down on your luck and so forth, thats when you wisen up. The same applies to war.