Has Microsoft stumbled?

[Zelig]

1. Don't hold the power button down, just press it. It's exactly the same as going through the menus to hit "shutdown".

2. Even by physically yanking the power cord out of the wall, it's quite difficult to actually cause problems with modern PCs, I'd place odds on hardware problems with your laptops, you're probably going to have more data corruption issues in the future.

 

[Tommy Vercetti]

I doubt 8.1 will make much of a difference. People hate Windows 8. The numbers do not lie. Windows 8 is not selling. People want there old start menu back. I am NOT alone on this. Look at the comments on just about anything Windows 8 related and you will see debates just like this one.

 

[Zelig]

I doubt 8.1 will make much of a difference. People like Windows 8. The numbers do not lie. Windows 8 is selling. People don't want their old start menu back. I am NOT alone on this. Look at the comments on just about anything Windows 8 related and you will see debates just like this one.

 

[BirraImperial]

1. Don't hold the power button down, just press it. It's exactly the same as going through the menus to hit "shutdown".

2. Even by physically yanking the power cord out of the wall, it's quite difficult to actually cause problems with modern PCs, I'd place odds on hardware problems with your laptops, you're probably going to have more data corruption issues in the future.

1) Oh I agree, actually when you press the power button just once, it automatically starts the normal shutdown process (or hibernation / sleep, depending on how Windows is setup).

2) It's probably the hard drive going bad; I've done this dozens of times and this is the first time the issue happened.

 

[BirraImperial]

I doubt 8.1 will make much of a difference. People hate Windows 8. The numbers do not lie. Windows 8 is not selling. People want there old start menu back. I am NOT alone on this. Look at the comments on just about anything Windows 8 related and you will see debates just like this one.

To be honest with you, I used to not like Windows 8 very much. It's quite different than 7 and people don't like change. It looks like a tablet OS rather than a desktop system. The aero interface was gone. But, you learn to like it over time. It's faster and more stable than 7, I like the fact that you can log in with your Live ID, if you have an Xbox Live or Hotmail account it syncronizes with your PC. So I kind of like it now. The only thing I don't like are the Windows 8 apps. They are just simply not good enough. Some are pretty decent, such as the news and sports apps, but some others, like the mail and calendar app seem just like reduced or light versions of their web counterparts. There's potential in there, perhaps with 8.1 and more time to develop, things will get better.

 

[Tommy Vercetti]

To be honest with you, I used to not like Windows 8 very much. It's quite different than 7 and people don't like change. It looks like a tablet OS rather than a desktop system. The aero interface was gone. But, you learn to like it over time. It's faster and more stable than 7, I like the fact that you can log in with your Live ID, if you have an Xbox Live or Hotmail account it syncronizes with your PC. So I kind of like it now. The only thing I don't like are the Windows 8 apps. They are just simply not good enough. Some are pretty decent, such as the news and sports apps, but some others, like the mail and calendar app seem just like reduced or light versions of their web counterparts. There's potential in there, perhaps with 8.1 and more time to develop, things will get better.

Apps on a PC when I can use regular PC Programs are kind of pointless. I just HATE the Metro start screen. It sucks I have to download a third party program just to get Windows 8 to look like Windows again. Despite the strengths that Windows 8 has the start screen ruins it for me. Taking up the whole screen is intrusive and bad for multitasking. The start menu is just perfect for my computing needs and I do not want Microsoft dictating to me as a user what I should use.

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[Zelig]

Taking up the whole screen is intrusive and bad for multitasking.

What on earth are you able to do at the same time as you're clicking through the start menu?

 

[kramerfan86]

Ill probably try to cling to Windows 7 as long as the hardware holds out. Seems fairly easy to near totally avoid the metro interface through judicious use of desktop shortcuts, but as a non-tablet/touch screen user it seems like change that doesnt really add much despite adding a learning curve. its a good step forward for those two methods of computing though, just a shame they shoehorned it into the PCs too.

Its the same problem they created when they dumped that interface onto the xbox 360. Im sure it works much better than the old system if you are using the kinect, but if you are doing it with the controller it just feels exceptionally cumbersome to get about.

 

[Zelig]

You don't even need judicious use of desktop shortcuts, you can literally use it in exactly the same way as Windows 7 as long as you don't explicitly open Metro apps yourself.

 

[Commodore]

Ill probably try to cling to Windows 7 as long as the hardware holds out. Seems fairly easy to near totally avoid the metro interface through judicious use of desktop shortcuts, but as a non-tablet/touch screen user it seems like change that doesnt really add much despite adding a learning curve. its a good step forward for those two methods of computing though, just a shame they shoehorned it into the PCs too.

Its the same problem they created when they dumped that interface onto the xbox 360. Im sure it works much better than the old system if you are using the kinect, but if you are doing it with the controller it just feels exceptionally cumbersome to get about.

I don't have a touch screen either and I think the Metro interface works just as well with a mouse and keyboard as with a touch screen. To me, it doesn't feel shoehorned at all into PCs. I will admit there is a learning curve, but that is to be expected with any new innovation so that isn't a huge issue to me.

Also, it's hard to argue with the boot up time for Windows 8. The boot up time on my Windows 7 machine was about 1 to 2 minutes while my Windows 8 machine boots in 5 seconds. That's not an exaggeration either; I actually timed it.

 

[Mr.WorldWide]

Thank Kinect for the next generation of adverts. #xboxone http://www.vg247.com/2013/07/04/xbo...-in-mind-kinect-integral-to-next-gen-adverts/

 

[Zelig]

The worst thing about the 360 is already the advertisements.

 

[Tommy Vercetti]

I doubt 8.1 will make much of a difference. People like Windows 8. The numbers do not lie. Windows 8 is selling. People don't want their old start menu back. I am NOT alone on this. Look at the comments on just about anything Windows 8 related and you will see debates just like this one.

Just look at these graphs

Windows 8 is a failure on the user market and for businesses.

 

[azzaman333]

I like how your graphs have no source, no context, are poorly labeled and that the bar graph doesn't even have the units it's supposedly measuring in.

 

[Tommy Vercetti]

They are from ZDNet about the adaptation rate of Windows 8.

 

[Zelig]

Yes, people buying phones and tablets instead of upgrading their PCs does seem to be impacting the adoption rate of Windows 8.

 

[azzaman333]

They are from ZDNet about the adaptation rate of Windows 8.

I tend not to trust graphs that are clearly made by morons.

 

[Mise]

My favourite part is that it's clearly a cropped screenshot of the Excel chart, complete with the little green "resizing" squares that appear when you select a chart. I mean, the unlabelled axes are awesome enough (Vista is at 8 whereas Windows 8 is only at 4!), but the resizing squares are really the icing on the cake.

EDIT: It occurs to me that there are TWO sets of resizing squares! A green set and a black set! I'm assuming the author is not using Windows 7 or 8, and is actually using OpenOffice on Linux -- and therefore has had a few problems copying and pasting between OOo's spreadsheeting app and its word processing app

 

[bhsup]

I installed the 8.1 preview release last night. The start button they added back, while adding some nice quick access functions to a right click on it, is really a pretty big troll by MS, I think, at everyone who complained about the lack of a start button (that includes me.) Left-click, BOOM, Metro screen! I actually like, though, that there are now options to really scale back the interference of that stupid metro crap on my desktop.

I haven't really had a chance to play around with it much, but I did notice that task manager fires up a LOT faster now. I don't know if there was something quirky with my system causing problems with that before, but it took ages for task manager to start previously and involved a high degree of disk activity. So kudos for fixing that.

Basically, I have the same view I always have. Windows 8 is great, awesome, super and I am totally glad I bought it last year. Yeah, the start button situation is BS, but there are outstanding and free 3rd party alternatives for that if one wants to avail themselves of them.

 

[God of Kings]

Just look at these graphs

Windows 8 is a failure on the user market and for businesses.

Even Mac (combined) is more popular than W8 or Vista.