Just a whole bunch of carvings, paintings, and other pictures that look a lot like saucers and spacemen and the unfortunate fact that neither one of us was there, so your guess is as good as mine
I could go out and paint a rock with a picture of a flying saucer any time, and it wouldn't mean I'd actually seen spacemen.
They made up the same stories? Maybe the Tower of Babel happened and there was a 'recent' dispersal of people with a shared cosmology following the massive flooding when the ice age ended. Otoh, the case for diffusion is supported by evidence of a circumpolar ice age culture when ice sheets and shelves made crossing oceans easier. A Ponca woman told me her people were brought here with their dogs on great birds, I saw one about 40 miles south of Green River Utah. Its visible from a road following the west side of the Green River. It was white and big. Plane big.
Different peoples around the world and over the course of millennia saw the same stars, but not necessarily the same patterns. Take the Big Dipper, for instance. The North American natives saw a bear. In other places, they saw a plough or wagon. In China they saw a "Celestial Bureaucrat" (Carl Sagan's term). In Egypt they saw a bizarre grouping of various animals including crocodiles.
Are you seriously claiming that you saw humans and dogs traveling on a white bird as big as a plane?
The Tower of Babel story made people have different languages, not cosmologies.
Anyway, I'm interested in comparative cosmology so I fully expect much of it to reflect the things we can see in the sky. There's a book called Hamlet's Mill I recommend, it shows how the revolving night sky and precession formed the basis for much of our mythology.
Interesting that Amazon doesn't have a preview available. I had to make do with the reviews, some of which complained about how long it took for the book to arrive, how poorly it was formatted and edited, and the one that actually reviewed the book made even less sense than the repetitious stuff you and timtofly normally post in these threads. So no, I won't waste my time with it.
The problem is the peoples who gave us these stories also told us they couldn't see Heaven and God, or God comes and goes, or came and went. They made a point of telling us that. The ways of the lord are mysterious. I'm surprised the Sun plays such a small role, I'd think Earth would be a Sun worshiping world but we worship something else. Maybe something that appears once every few thousand years.
Ever hear of an obscure civilization called the Egyptians? They worshiped the Sun. The Sun played a large part in other ancient religions, too. Why do you think people used to freak out over total solar eclipses?
That was nice of the Romans to leave us Neptune and Pluto for names. But why would they save the brother of Jupiter for a planet they couldn't even see? Did the other gods sit around ridiculing Neptune for having no planet to call his own? The Romans were following a tradition the Greeks had followed, one practiced in Mesopotamia long before. A pantheon of 12 celestial gods.
What part of "the Romans gave the name 'Neptune' to the god of the sea, and not a planet they had no idea existed" is too hard to comprehend? It was the modern astronomers who decided to name Neptune 'Neptune' just to be consistent with the other planets.
I don't dispute the Romans were copycats. They copied a lot of Greek culture. It's what conquerors tend to do - culturally appropriate what they like and adapt it to suit themselves.
Now why would Neptune play such an important role in mythology when people couldn't see the planet? According to the Enuma Elish it was Ea/Nudimmud/Neptune who gave 'birth' to Marduk, the text describes how Marduk's encounters with the outer planets 'destined' him for battle with Tiamat and the 1st was with Neptune.
And thats what we would expect from a rogue planet invading our solar system, it would pass Neptune, Uranus, Saturn, and Jupiter before slamming into Tiamat at the asteroid belt.
*yawn*
Is there evidence the outer planets were subject to something unusually large whipping by? Yeah, Neptune's large moon Triton follows a retrograde orbit, Uranus sits on its side, Saturn has its rings, and Jupiter got fat gobbling up debris released by the collisions.
Saturn has rings because its smaller moons keep running afoul of the
Roche Limit. All the gas giants have a ring system.
Even Earth will have a ring system for a short time, when the Moon breaks up. It's got nothing to do with "something unusually large whipping by."
As for Jupiter getting fat... must have been all those Mars bars and Milky Way bars.
(and no, do NOT take this as any endorsement whatsoever for these silly fantasies being peddled in this thread)
I can only imagine the mythology you'd cook up when the Sun expands into a red giant. It won't have a thing to do with rogue planets, just ordinary physics and chemistry on a large scale. That's why the human race needs to get off this world and out of the solar system as soon as we can. If we don't, there won't be anything left of any life that existed on this planet.
I think thats amazing, the Enuma Elish describes what happened when Heaven and Earth were born of an older world and it matches the Fremont rock art right on down to the number of planets described in the text. Thats surprisingly accurate for two peoples supposedly separated by 20-30 thousand years.
"Surprisingly accurate" is how I used to describe my horoscope and what I read about astrology before I got my mind out of that nonsense.
They should... They're following in his footsteps
I guess we disagree on what a 'cloud' means. How many long term comets with aphelions in this cloud have we recorded? Did you know Oort himself thought comets originated near Jupiter? Course the argument would be Jupiter propelled them out there, but the cloud didn't produce the comets. I think what propelled them was a series of collisions that left behind an asteroid belt as the gravestone to the primordial world described in Gen 1:2.
The beauty of the scientific method is that we discard what we find out isn't true and continue with what we discover is more accurate. What "propels" the comets is the same thing as the rest of the solar system: gravity.
A dark water covered world before God's wind sent Tehom's earthly remains closer to the Sun with 2 great lights to rule day and night. Thats why the Sun and Moon dont show up in Genesis until the 4th day. Before the Sun and Moon could take their positions in our sky other things happened, the dark water covered proto-Earth was carved up and the seed of life was planted by the collision.
Spin this nonsense all you like - the Old Testament is not a science text.
The new world called Earth (dry land) was no longer in the same place, Heaven was somewhere in our sky but unseen and the Sun ruled our daytime sky and the Moon ruled the night. Why didn't these rule day and night before God created Heaven and Earth? Because its darker at the asteroid belt. Researchers are looking for a '9th' planet, if they haven't read Sitchin I think they'll lose the race to someone who has.
Humans created the gods from their own imaginations, and pseudoscience is not going to be of any use to astronomers except as an example of how NOT to do it.
Yes, ancient peoples transposed the sky onto the ground with their monuments, towns, etc. To excess imo. They had a deeper reason to do that, an actual connection to the sky peoples who were here. A desire to bring Heaven and Earth together. They didn't need to build 3 pyramids to mimic Orion's belt to find Sirius, but I do believe someone has been looking into identifying the rest of Orion based on Giza being the belt.
I've just been reading some history websites' articles on the Pyramids, and there was not one syllable about "mimicking Orion's belt" in any of them. What's your source?
You did it... You said they couldn't know about the outer planets. You've limited them to the knowledge of 5 planets, Sun and Moon, and ignored them when they said there were more.
I limited them? Really? I went back in time and took away knowledge you claim some space alien gave them, when you've provided not one shred of credible proof for this?
Gosh, where'd I park my time machine?
I've posted images of Pluto from Utah and Sumer along with a description of Pluto's role in creation according to the Enuma Elish. If it turns out Pluto was orbiting Saturn in the distant past that will be more evidence Sitchin is right.
Pluto was not discovered until 1930. It was a challenge, even then, with telescopes to use. The ancients could not possibly have known about Pluto, and don't trot out that pile of cow pies about the Roman gods. The astronomers took the name from the gods, just as they've started naming other Kuiper Belt Objects after various native gods or mythological beings.
I wouldn't expect them to have the same interpretation of the night sky they cant see with their eyes. Imagine a conversation with an ancient priest or shaman while insisting there are only 5 planets and they keep telling you there are 9 worlds.
Except they wouldn't, because they couldn't have seen them. It's entirely possible they could have imagined 9 worlds. But to actually see them, with the unaided eye?
Nope.
You're denying those achievements, they made it up!
Re-read my post. I'm not denying any of the ancient Egyptians' achievements that we know they achieved, as verified by the archaeological record. Did they make up stories about Ra, Hathor, and the other gods they worshiped? Absolutely. Did they lie about building the pyramids?
Nope. They're there for everyone to see. But you're content to believe that the ancient Egyptians were too stupid to figure out basic geometry and therefore needed space aliens to build them, and I disagree.
Valka's Classical History prof was adamant about them.
