Hilarious anti-Islamic "history" spewing propaganda

Ah but this response to it was much better:
- "What is it that a man may call the greatest things in life?"
- "Hot water, good dentishtry and shoft lavatory paper."

-- Cohen the Barbarian in conversation with Discworld nomads
I 've heard of this before but clueless, got a link ? I'm not up on SF parody these days. and why the 'sh' ?... ish he shloshed or got a lishp ?
Maybe I read it wrong, but what I read was that the Mongols were Persians pissed off at Islam.

Rather, Genghis was the avenger on Persia when it had the misfortune to be under the Khorasmians. Most of it was actually east of modern Persia. He earned his reputation there, before the Mongols became Islamicized. Tamerlane's father might have been Altai Turkish, but his mother was the daughter of Chagatai, son of Genghis. They were called Turco-Mongols as the Mongols had already merged with these peoples in the time of Genghis. ... do I have this right ? They became Islamicized and Tamerlane was a 'ferocious Mohammedan' who became known as the Prince of Destruction, mostly for killing more mainstream Muslims. Hence the writers on this site like Tamerlane, even though he was Moslem himself and typifies exactly what they claim Muslims did; mass executions and forced conversions. In Tamerlane's case I guess it wasn't exactly so, because no Hindus survived in the cities he took. His great great grandson was Babur who founded the Mughal empire, which tolerated Hinduism in their subjects.
 
Don't get my wrong, I knew the whole thing was BS, that was just a random line I read and thought it was insane.
 
What is this I don't even
Quote:
The Mongol Spirit is personified today in Islam Karimov

Today the Mongol spirit that once expressed itself in the person of Changez Khan and Hulagu Kan expresses itself in the person of is Excellency Islam Karimov, the President of Uzbekistan.

Islam Karimov has terminated the Islamist insurgency in Uzbekistan with an iron hand In Uzbekistan (as in the world over) the Hizb-ut-Tahirir (HUT) wants to unseat the secular regime of Mr. Karimov and replace it with an Islamic Emirate like that of the Taliban. But in Uzbekistan, the HUT develops Cold Sweat, when they realize that they have been and would be vaporized into extinction if they faced the boiling rage of Mr. Karimov (no pun intended on “boiling” here).

Many liberal commentators would castigate Mr. Karimov’s tactics as savage, but all of them would have to grudge Mr. Karimov his success against the beasts of the HUT. This is the only successful way forward the world over with Islam, if we are to win the War on Terror. This is one lesson that we should learn from Hulagu’s sack of Baghdad in 1258 and the policies of Islam Karimov today.

Uzbekistan indeed is one of the few nations that bathed in Tamerlane's glory.
Hometown hero does good.
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Rather, Genghis was the avenger on Persia when it had the misfortune to be under the Khorasmians. Most of it was actually east of modern Persia.

The core of the Khwarezmian Empire was indeed in Khorasan, most of which is east of modern Persia/Iran. But the Mongols also destroyed cities in modern Iran as well, notably Isfahan, Qom and Nishapur. In any case, the Khwarezmians themselves were Persians, or at least Persianized Turks.
 
CFCWH: reduced to papism and "hur dur theez ppl r idjits"
 
Don't get my wrong, I knew the whole thing was BS, that was just a random line I read and thought it was insane.
that was what i thought the first time, not that you believed this drivel, but it wasn't clear after these exchanges if you were looking for more info.
 
CFCWH: reduced to papism and "hur dur theez ppl r idjits"

I don't assume these people are idiots. I think they are intentionally misrepresenting facts and presenting falsehoods to back up their agenda. I have no problem with mocking people doing that.
 
checked the relevant section on Turkey , ı will assign names to site owners for they have such glorious wallpaperable pic about the so called origins of the Turkish flag and they have it thumb size ! And the first link for today is Iran talking for an EMP strike , how passe ... No American will respond unless threatened with anti-matter thingies . As found in CERN . Somewhere down the line , the word Huri is mentioned as a Hell dweller ; never been a practising Muslim should ı suspect this is somewhat unrealistic ?

or maybe the idiot tag seems such important that they have to stress it everyway possible ?
 
I 've heard of this before but clueless, got a link ? I'm not up on SF parody these days. and why the 'sh' ?... ish he shloshed or got a lishp ?

The "sh" comes from a distinct lack of teeth. Hes a very old barbarian hero. Also it's an old parody, basically the introduction to Cohen the Barbarian in The Light Fantastic Terry Pratchett's 2nd Discworld novel.
 
<off-topic>I have just been reading the original Conan stories for the first time, and it's only now I realise just how much the early Pratchett novels are direct parodies of them. Makes them rather hard to take seriously, but somehow adds to the fun.<back on-topic>
 
The original Robert E. Howard stories from the 20s and 30s were pretty awesome though. That was my first real exposure to graphic depictions of gore and carnage. He had enough historical background to breath life into his pre-Glacial Hyborian Age, with its own mythology, etc.
 
obviously there is an agenda , and &#305; would doubt it is merely one man or two venting or even bringing the Armageddon early . Such conviction doesn't understand the word stop . It has been quite active in 2005 , could conceiveably have played a part in how serious somebody might have been in showing where the masses could have been taken . Give this to Muslim zealots and listen them on the impossibility of doing anything with the West . Nobody that jumped up at the notion of caricatures - of that year as far as &#305; remember - can stay "calm" at the insults at the prophet of Islam ; one particular phrase that might be or might not be Hebrew is there for a reason , obviously . Anyone who has Islamic tenets , the knowledge of English and patience to last to the end of the Mongols article as provided in the OP , can hardly avoid think how belief defines the infidels as people that have no belief in God , but hide themselves as believers in various religions and are infact murderers , liars and boastful of said "virtues" ; devils in human form . People who deserve a fighting response , the cihad of armed kind . The articles intend to get a reaction . Something excessive even the Atheists - people Islam doesn't give the Muslim any right to persecute as they might turn to religion to one day , though many and many texts can be found to the contrary - might be convinced about the brazen danger of Muslims , enemies of mankind who also happen to sit on some serious oil deposits .

my idiot opinion is though , once secured more time at the helm , a certain view about the world were messaging/massaging/coercing another certain view about the world ; the result is something &#305; have been known to rant about to no avail . My posts at strategy sites lasted until people understood them , the ones on Iran's nukes and the way its leaders have been speaking out of station though got the axe immediately . The only proof &#305;'d have apart from happy TV leaks by the paid friends of the certain view first mentioned .

personally &#305; read the articles without much blood pressure , not much of a believer and the things &#305; have seen previously place this somewhere closer to beginner's level , though the never encountered before habit of the article to return to top on its own was interesting . Maybe the authors merely wanted it to be skimmed , before rushing out to burn down embassies , who knows ?
 
Um, cool story bro?
 
got this PDF file where a hilarious encounter is recounted , hilarous for me at least . A young American couple in action on a train on an early Moroccan morning wakes up the conductor who has been trailing them for a while . They get into an argument which then wakes up the author as well. Using diligence he prevents an ugly flare up , conductor leaves cursing the "Christian" , the American guy curses the people who are so against Christians while collecting the wad of money he was so prepared to use as a bribe and the American woman so level headed pushes a Bible to the author , the couple being missionaries on their way to Sahara and they have already given away two or three . Nothing really surprising if one looks at this from a given perspective . Please , don't get too offended but sexual liberation is within the range of tricks , especially against the perceived oppression of feelings . Quite a change from the days positional variety was a threat to man's superiority. Ain't no American invention , nor recent ; out of graduates of a school here in Turkey one or two have become famous enough to give interviews , they do have apparent reason to have particularly fond memories of a teacher . Things one can gleam from newspapers ...

"Because Christian evangelism is often bitterly reproached in Muslim countries&#8212;thanks in large part to the lingering memory of the colonial endeavor, when Europe&#8217;s disastrous &#8220;civilizing mission&#8221; went hand in hand with a fervently anti-Islamic &#8220;Christianizing mission&#8221;&#8212;some evangelical institutions now teach their missionaries to &#8220;go undercover&#8221; in the Muslim world by taking on Muslim identities,wearing Muslim clothing (including the veil), even fasting and praying
as Muslims."
says the PDF which was a nice coincidental find and &#305; will be quoting in part . But as the French say there is nothing new under the sun and back in the 70's when Turkish Military was fully behind -supposedly on American station officer's advice - a retired colonel as he was waging "holy war" of kinds against Saudi influence in the Islamic Right , it was real fashionable to blame the British intelligence of late 1700s as one guy had befriended the founder of the Vehhabi sect , only to mislead him , out of true Islam . &#305; think colonel's efforts resulted in a corporation that still survives the eventual embezzlement trial . Such mind games are dangerous . But they are unavoidable , right ?

"... mentality could be heard in the sermons of prominent and politically influential evangelists like the Reverend Franklin Graham&#8212;son of Billy Graham and spiritual adviser to [somebody] &#8212;who has publicly called Islam &#8220;an evil and wicked religion.&#8221; It could be read in the articles of the intemperate yet enormously popular conservative columnist Ann Coulter, who after September 11 encouraged Western countries to &#8220;invade [Muslim] countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to Christianity.&#8221; It could be caught in the rhetoric behind the War on Terrorism, which has been described on both sides of the Atlantic in stark Christian terminology of good versus evil. And it could be found inside the prisons of Iraq and Afghanistan, where Muslim prisoners of war have been forced, under threat of torture by their captors, to eat pork, drink liquor, and curse the Prophet Muhammad.

Of course, there is no shortage of anti-Christian and anti-Jewish propaganda in Islam. In fact, it sometimes seems that not even the most moderate preacher or politician in the Muslim world can resist advancing the occasional conspiracy theory regarding &#8220;the Crusaders and Jews,&#8221; by which most Muslims simply mean them: that faceless, colonialist, Zionist, imperialist &#8220;other&#8221; who is not us. So the clash of monotheisms is by no means a new phenomenon. Indeed, from the earliest days of the Islamic expansion to the bloody wars and inquisitions of the Crusades to the tragic consequences of colonialism and the cycle of violence in Israel/Palestine, the hostility, mistrust, and often violent intolerance that has marked relations among Jews, Christians, and Muslims has been one of Western history&#8217;s most enduring themes.

Since September 11, however, as international conflicts have increasingly been framed in apocalyptic terms and political agendas on all sides couched in theological language, it has become impossible to ignore the startling similarities between the antagonistic and uninformed rhetoric that fueled the destructive religious wars of the past,
and that which drives the current conflicts of the Middle East. When the Reverend Jerry Vines, past president of the Southern Baptist Convention, calls the Prophet Muhammad &#8220;a demon-possessed [guy so against the innocence of children]&#8221; during his keynote address, he sounds eerily like the medieval papal propagandists for whom Muhammad was the Antichrist and the Islamic expansion a sign of the Apocalypse. When the Republican senator from Oklahoma, James Inhofe, stands before the U.S. Congress and insists that the ongoing conflicts in the Middle East are not political or territorial battles but &#8220;a contest over whether or not the word of God is true,&#8221; he speaks, knowingly or not, the language of the Crusades. "



there is an undeniable distrust and no clear solution is in sight , where the two sides of the coin are so similar . Courage of the faithful who plunges into the darkness in the service of the greater good is beyond rapproach but there were and are few of the said kind ; missionary zeal becomes laughable when employed as the vanguard of state interests and actually repugnant in times of distress . In the ' 99 quake , one rumour that went round and round was the organ transplants mafia was collecting the dead , the wounded and the little kids to be carved up in farm houses . Was tracked to a couple of individuals . Shock at and awe of God's power is one thing . Individuals , hmppfft , the area is still overwhelmingly Muslim .

though of course , certain people had to have an issue with missionaries and all they could do was of course a couple of murders . About the time there was foreign encouragement about the finishing touch . Guess whom we are blaming ...

coin flipped into the air , might define the fate of somebody yet the sides are just milimeters away ."For European colonialists like Alfred, Lord Cromer, the British consul general to Egypt at the end of the nineteenth century, the veil was a symbol of the &#8220;degradation of women&#8221; and definitive proof that &#8220;Islam as a social system has been a complete failure.&#8221; Never mind that Cromer was the founder of the Men&#8217;s League for Opposing Women&#8217;s Suffrage in England. As the quintessential colonialist, Cromer had no interest in the plight of Muslim women; the veil was, for him, an icon of the &#8220;backwardness of Islam,&#8221; and the most visible justification for Europe&#8217;s &#8220;civilizing mission&#8221; in the Middle East." Talking of the sides of the coin &#305; was ; when &#305; was young &#305; chanced upon an alternate universe type story of an unnamed country where one party topples the rightful goverment to establish a immoral , indeed godless dictatorship and the new guy in command is , just to be expected of course , in ugly disposition to kids . The guy whom &#305; have been presuming to be the author for awhile is in jail for abuse of a 13 year old "bride" while the dictator's obvious counterpart in history is acknowledged to be a regular womanizer .


maybe strays somewhat but &#305; have downloaded a great many of the articles and reading them , 1526 Mohaç episode is way larger then the regular high school history book account of larger Ottoman army uses cannon fire to anhilate Hungarian knights tied together with chains .

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probably &#305; have one more post on this one .

don't have the werewithal to challenge everything point by point , nor there is any reason to do . But looking everything from very restricted "unhealthy" aspect , as &#305; have great powers of suspection , &#305; see something not readily obvious : We Turks suck in a million ways .

even before we became Muslims a single man could beat us , because , let me see , Turkish armies do not post guards so that commanders of enemy armies can single handedly kill buglers who are sent out to empty spaces to make noise . &#305; see no problem in this preposition , being a huge fan of Asterix comics where the musician invariably ends up tied up in a tree . A show of force , like the everlasting "Western" exercises in and around the Yellow Sea would end sort of amicably , though it must have helped Ahnab alot in bragging contests .

in the every Muslim is a suicide bomber debate , where yeniçeri is stressed to be a Turkish lie and cannissar is hammered to our thick heads &#305; hmppftt the site ; a link to actual Kamikazes already provided , courtesy of early runs of Phpotoshopp .

racism depends on the bestiality of the opposed , it helps alot if physical attributes fall of short of the current norms , one can have "proof" that the enemy is indeed an animal . So when anyone looks Unislamic , like some high caste Islamic woman , it is only because the genes of the oppressed . Our lack of skills in music duly noted , we also learn the ability to play an instrument also signify the presence of oppressed genes . No surprise , when a new identity is desired , it is more effective , puppeteeringwise , to demolish the old .

going on with the looks , the site authors of course know that the Islamic Right in this country has always painted Mustafa Kemal as a hidden Jew . Christian , yeniçeri, dev&#351;irme claims are just the chaff Smarties use to fill pages . Or maybe these guys are really forward thinking and getting ready for the days when Islam gets snuffed altogether , clearing the venue for the big one where the present partners will be settling the real question . Buchenwald , Auscwitz ( can never spell it right ) were accidents , you know , especially the necessity of their liberation . Blond Jew ? !!! Got to be kidding the site authors ...

regarding whom , &#305; have been long led to believe the name Mahomet was a spesific Papal trick to link Islam to Baphomet , an idol whose wrong side the Templiers were kissing . Or was it vice versa to justify the 1300s burnings ?

and of those pics that adorn the Armenian article , that one might be prudent to label as sorta graphic/adult material , the very ones the authors claim to have thought a lot about using or not , are of course just par the course . They actually talk of the good days ahead , 2015-2020 timeframe . Yep Yank , yet another set of lunatics that "know" all about the already booked 2013-14 Turkish Armenian war that is slated to start with an Azeri offensive into Karabag that will be duly smashed , Iran where 1/3 of the population "is" Azeri electing to go Unislamic and Turkey already paralysed with civil unrest in the West and full scale insurgency in the East will get it , truly and really . No NATO aid and for local means one or two nuculars are sufficient guarantee against TIE Bomber fleets . Americans , with "tears in the eyes of the select few" will have to accept Turks even inspired the Holocaust and bomb us to hell . From Incirlik too . We can't prevent it , especially in the light of the recent lawsuit where the 3 guys are demanding 65 million USD for the land of the base . Who are we to demand out of Incirlik now , before the tracks start rolling , when we don't even have the deed ?

obviously there is a reason why there has been no Idiots' war in recent history and all the lunacy gets imbibed to a fine quality only to be told to a loser who goes by the name of r16 . The Americans have been caught with their hands in the cookie jar and they are still after selling stuff to us . Down our throats with the defence that the precedessor was also likewise , as if we didn't already know the precedessor of the precedessor was also selectively rotten . The notion of a freeze , say of two days , let alone years is categorically rejected . No wonder Americans find solace - a mischosen word alright - in the still strong mood which was recently defended on TV , somehow , by the images of Migs and a twisting Typhoon fighter jet . &#305; saw that , the presenter "brings justice to the term eyecandy."

2% of the why of the paragraph above : Ten and a half years ago , &#305; was in Ankara for compulsory military service when the then goverment chose a new attack helicopter as an urgent requirement . We still have none . Being a real loser , as always , &#305; was all "What?" at the time , hurt when &#305; had bet they would delay it for maybe another 10 years . These things are long running things . They run even when the missionary zeal takes a break .

not that anybody should take me seriously .

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What the hell? Can you please stop posting these ramblings?
 
&#305; can , but as &#305; said &#305; have about one more left -about a small war - and those ramblings are mere shadows of what people are really thinking about the self justificating approach to things that happen . There is an hope , not in my quarters though , that they will be of some use . Although it is really hard to get banned there and there , &#305; merely get to write ; and alas , cool stories are only trickle , from the source &#305; am barely connected , on the other hand the world and especially the turns it might be about to take , is not that cool . When everybody knows a conspiracy , it no longer stays a conspiracy .
 
Then coldn't you just post this on a blog or something? If you're going to spew haphazard rhetoric I would rather that you not derail a thread with a well established topic in the process.
 
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