Gelion
Retired Captain
Does it say "Again" after "Ascendant"?I think the one on the building says:
You! Make China Ascendant!
Looks like a fun place to stay.
Does it say "Again" after "Ascendant"?I think the one on the building says:
You! Make China Ascendant!
Looks like a fun place to stay.
No, that would be the YMCAA, where the alcoholics live.Does it say "Again" after "Ascendant"?
You lost me in translation a little, but at least you know your languagesNo, that would be the YMCAA, where the alcoholics live.
Oh yeah, China told everybody that HK would continue being Little Britain.Except western media didn't misinterpret it, and doesn't misinterpret it. China just lied about it all.
No, they said they would continue for 50 years:Oh yeah, China told everybody that HK would continue being Little Britain.
Again?!
I don't see it spread by Russian media - in fact CFC is the first place where I'm reading it.A narrative started on a random Russian blog, spread by Russian media (and their supporters)
I don't see it spread by Russian media - in fact CFC is the first place where I'm reading it.
Russian media is rather indifferent to Hong Kong protests, aside of usual irony about the West trying to bring "democracy and freedom" to yet another place and that the locals should now beware not to end up like Iraqis or Libyans.
Whether US is paying them or not is irrelevant, more interesting is that their presence in Hong Kong was confirmed and that Neo-Nazis seem to have no doubt which side they should support.
aside of usual irony about the West trying to bring "democracy and freedom" to yet another place
Interesting info, thank you.https://sputniknews.com/asia/201912...ian-neo-nazis-joining-the-hong-kong-protests/
https://sputniknews.com/analysis/20...joining-hong-kong-protests-hardly-surprising/
Dec 2 and 3, before chinese media reported the Ukranians being in Hong Kong on Dec 4 and 5.
https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1172308.shtml
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201912/05/WS5de8ef1fa310cf3e3557c3f0.html
I posted before:No, they said they would continue for 50 years:
- Independant legislative system
- Universal suffrage
- People's rights and freedoms including:
- Freedom of speech
- Freedom of the press and of publication
- Freedom of association
- Freedom of assembly
- Freedom of procession, of demonstration, of communication, of movement, of conscience
If I gave that impression I apologise. I care for the people of Hong Kong, and the fact that China made commitments and is no longer even pretending to stick to them is worth pointing out, in the forlorn hope that anything we say or do matters in the slightest way.You keep acting as if the UK's prior "ownership" of HK has any bearing on decisions the CCP made about HK.
Is it because you believe that the UK won HK fairly and squarely in a war?
If I gave that impression I apologise. I care for the people of Hong Kong, and the fact that China made commitments and is no longer even pretending to stick to them is worth pointing out, in the forlorn hope that anything we say or do matters in the slightest way.
It is the people of Hong Kong we are talking primarily about here. If they are asking for anything it is not being forced on them. If they want to put their lives on the line in protesting, and "phoning the US and UK to send the World's Police" then they are doing what they feel is in their best long term political interests. If that makes them Karens then so are most political movements. There is the risk is violent crackdown, but those skulls shall be those of the "Karens" and everything we can do to keep their plight in the public view reduces the chance of that.It won't make any difference. Just hope the mainlanders don't get sick of HKers, who they already view as having conditions
far in advance of the hundreds of millions who are barely out of poverty. China will take what it likes about Western
methods and they'll reject what doesn't suit. Just like Vietnam did after the war with the US and its poodles.
Forcing Western methods and systems on some nations is a very fraught undertaking when you can't guarantee overwhelming
numbers in support. If you try it without that overwhelming support you might end up with a mountain of skulls, like what
happened in Cambodia where all those who even looked like they were part of the Western influence were pulled out, root branch
and tree, and slaughtered.
The people of HK are acting like political Karens phoning the US and UK to send the World's Police to bash the evil CCP.
The issue is that they are acting as if they they are independent of the rest of China - they're not.It is the people of Hong Kong we are talking primarily about here. If they are asking for anything it is not being forced on them. If they want to put their lives on the line in protesting, and "phoning the US and UK to send the World's Police" then they are doing what they feel is in their best long term political interests. If that makes them Karens then so are most political movements. There is the risk is violent crackdown, but those skulls shall be those of the "Karens" and everything we can do to keep their plight in the public view reduces the chance of that.
The political legitimacy of the People's Republic of China is nil, non-existant.The issue is that they are acting as if they they are independent of the rest of China - they're not.
And if what they think is in their long-term interests doesn't square with what the CCP thinks is
in the long term interests of China as a whole, then they will lose spectacularly.
Calling on other nations (and ones China views as hostile!) to liberate HK counts as sedition in the
Chinese system and likely would be subject to legal sanctions under many other legal systems.
In Sweden/France? I think the CCP would agree with you.The political legitimacy of the People's Republic of China is nil, non-existant.
In Sweden/France? I think the CCP would agree with you.