Hostages found dead.

[usarmy18]

He is one of the worst of the hypocrits here. I would assume your new here?

No I've been lurking since before we invaded Iraq. I know that Curt is full of himself.

 

[usarmy18]

Think what you want, barmy army.

But the reality is still out there, no matter what your CNN and so-called 'military sources' tell you.

And the reality is brutal, on both sides.

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Tell me then Curt. What is the reality? Surely you know something that I don't. Enlighten me.

 

[Tulkas12]

Go on, kid.

Get that wool pulled over your own eyes...
Next propaganda bulletin coming up!

PS
I don't actually value your meaningless opinions anyway.

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Which is more likely the anti-american propanganda or the pro-american propaganda? I can certainly tell which is the least of out there?

So who's the brainwashed child?

 

[Tulkas12]

No I've been lurking since before we invaded Iraq. I know that Curt is full of himself.

kk, as long as you know what you are dealing with, how bout it. Mind you watch what you type, you are twice as likely to be banned as the hypocrit is.

 

[Rambuchan]

Tulkas12: You just got your wish above. I've reported three of your posts in this thread. One for bad language and two for flaming. You've got a lot to learn about how to conduct yourself round here. So here's some friendly advice: I recommend you start by reading the forum rules if you want to keep enjoying CFC.

As for the comments you've made in this thread, don't be surprised that no one takes you seriously. It's one thing stating your opinions, that's fine. But if you don't explain your logic and your sources and you continue to flame people, well, you'll find yourself laughed out of court and most probably banned for a piece. You need explain to us why we should agree with you and what the factual basis of your comments is. You've failed to do that all over this thread.

Kindly consider these facts before you carry on doing yourself a disservice:

Osama bin Laden first took interest in Iraq when the country invaded Kuwait in 1990 (giving rise to concerns the secular, socialist Baathist government of Iraq might next set its sights on Saudi Arabia, homeland of bin Laden and of Islam itself). In a letter sent to King Fahd, he offered to send an army of Mujahideen to defend Saudi Arabia [7].

During the Gulf War, the organization's interests became split between outrage with the intervention of the United Nations in the region and hatred of Saddam Hussein's secular government, as well as expression of concern for the suffering that Islamic people in Iraq were undergoing.

Wiki's Al Qaeda in Iraq

In Colin Powell's famous February 2003 speech to the United Nations urging war against Iraq, Zarqawi was cited as an example of Saddam Hussein's support for terrorism. In his speech, Powell mistakenly referred to Zarqawi as a Palestinian, but Powell and the Bush administration continued to stand by statements that Zarqawi linked Saddam Hussein to al-Qaeda.

At the time, Zarqawi's group was a rival of bin Laden's. A CIA report in late 2004 concluded that it had no evidence Saddam's government was involved or aware of this medical treatment, and that "There’s no conclusive evidence the Saddam Hussein regime had harbored Zarqawi." One U.S. official summarized the report: "The evidence is that Saddam never gave Zarqawi anything." However, Jordan's King Abdullah stated in an interview that Jordan had detailed information of where in Iraq Zarqawi lived. Jordan attempted to have Zarqawi extradited, "but our demands that the former regime [of Saddam Hussein] hand him over were in vain," King Abdullah said.

Wiki's Al Zarqawi Biography.

The CIA's report on Iraq's ties to terrorism noted in September 2002 that the CIA did not have "credible intelligence reporting" of operational collaboration between Iraq and al-Qaeda.

Wiki's page on Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda.

Talking points?

 

[Rik Meleet]

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[Tulkas12]

Tulkas12: You just got your wish above. I've reported three of your posts in this thread. One for bad language and two for flaming. You've got a lot to learn about how to conduct yourself round here. So here's some friendly advice: I recommend you start by reading the forum rules if you want to keep enjoying CFC.

As for the comments you've made in this thread, don't be surprised that no one takes you seriously. It's one thing stating your opinions, that's fine. But if you don't explain your logic and your sources and you continue to flame people, well, you'll find yourself laughed out of court and most probably banned for a piece. You need explain to us why we should agree with you and what the factual basis of your comments is. You've failed to do that all over this thread.

Kindly consider these facts before you carry on doing yourself a disservice:



Talking points?

Yea, this thread was about what happened to the marines. Everything else was trolling, you just participated in this trolling. I am human, I react to trolling. I am aware that everyone here thinks they are better than any right winger from the US. This has been made more than clear.

Moderator Action: I strongly suggests you control your side that responds to trolling to report it instead of react on it or you will feel the ban-stick - Rik

Btw, any links I post are instantly written off as right-wing propaganda, yet there is not a possible soure that couldn't be considered right or left wing propaganda. At least I am honest enough to admit both sides are flawed instead of believing everything the ;eft wing press shoves down my throat.

Thank you for reprting me for a discussion you weren't even involved in though. . .Smells like a left winger to me.

 

[Tulkas12]

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kk last post was before I read this.

 

[CurtSibling]

The facts you choose to believe you mean. Goes both ways. Yea, I just wish we'd really fight fire with fre, if you think that these little horrors are all we're capable of. . . hah. . .

Wha...?

Have you been drinking?

Unfortunately we are trying ot be nice, and for good reason, so I geuss until the press is shut down after the next killing of American civilians you are right in that all we can do is kill a few innocents while trying to be nice. When the press is gone we will be quite nasty I suppose.

So the USA is going to shut down the press?
Now we get a view of how out to lunch a worldview can be...

The Allied forces are not trying to be nice, they are trying to fulfil
their campaign goals. You are the one wittering on about being 'nice'...

Whatever that is meant to imply...

PS
War is always nasty, press or not. Iraq is a byword of nasty.

This all assumes your moral relativism is right of course.

Do you think morals are unified among all the factions in Iraq...?


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[usarmy18]

In recent released documents captured when we took out Saddam, there has been links between Saddam's regime and the Taliban. They pretty much state that there were negotiations between them with the Taliban wanting Iraq to mediate among the Taliban, Northern Alliance, and Russia in '99. Later on, after the US knocked out the Taliban Regime, the meetings were of Iraqi support for the deposed Taliban.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,199757,00.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,199053,00.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,199052,00.html

 

[usarmy18]

Wha...?

Have you been drinking?



So the USA is going to shut down the press?
Now we get a view of how out to lunch your worldview is...

The Allied forces are not trying to be nice, they are trying to fulfil
their campaign goals. You are the one wittering on about being 'nice'...

Whatever that is meant to imply...

PS
War is always nasty, press or not. Iraq is a byword of nasty.



If you think morals are unified among all the factions in Iraq,
I suggest a crash course in reality digestion, as soon as possible.

.

I suggest you actually know how our military is working in Iraq before you start on another tirade about how we're killing anything that moves or mowing down children or indescriminately blowing things up. Most of the buildings or other targets we bomb in Iraq, we have to have a team that has eyes on the target and has to confirm that insurgents are at the target. Bronx Warlord can explain it way better then me since thats actually what he did. Soldiers have to get clearance from higher-ups before they can even return fire and even then they have to be absolutely sure that they have positive id on the target. I don't know where you get that we just shoot anything that gives us dirty looks because we don't.

 

[Tulkas12]

Wha...?

Have you been drinking?



So the USA is going to shut down the press?
Now we get a view of how out to lunch your worldview is...

The Allied forces are not trying to be nice, they are trying to fulfil
their campaign goals. You are the one wittering on about being 'nice'...

Whatever that is meant to imply...

PS
War is always nasty, press or not. Iraq is a byword of nasty.



Do you think morals are unified among all the factions in Iraq...?


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Link please? Prove to me the US means to be nasty. No really, prove it. i want ot see all the pics you can muster up in the half-hour I have.

Do you have any idea what we could do to achieve our campaign goals or are you on acid? I know you know better than that. We are being "nice" as you put it.

I'll bet money the U.S. does shuts down the press if we get hit hard by these freaks. Instead of playing the capitalist game they resorted to violence. For anyone who might think otherwise we have shut down the press before, we might have to shut it down again, seeing as its more of a threat than the "enemy". I know this is hard for a born lefty to see, but there is no such thing as freedom of press in time of war. WE are not in war atm so by all means, tear our efforts down. You embolden the enemy as much if not more htan our "vicious" actions do. In the end the left will be the one that shuts it donw, ironic though it may be.

This war isn't near as nasty as it could be.

 

[CurtSibling]

I suggest you actually know how our military is working in Iraq before you start on another tirade about how we're killing anything that moves or mowing down children or indescriminately blowing things up. Most of the buildings or other targets we bomb in Iraq, we have to have a team that has eyes on the target and has to confirm that insurgents are at the target. Bronx Warlord can explain it way better then me since thats actually what he did. Soldiers have to get clearance from higher-ups before they can even return fire and even then they have to be absolutely sure that they have positive id on the target. I don't know where you get that we just shoot anything that gives us dirty looks because we don't.

Goodness!

Tactics? Rules of Engagement?
I never knew such things existed...Golly!

Give me at least some credit. I am a convervative, for your information.
Your constant drubbing by the commies must be making you lash out.

I have a serious problem with hearing lies being spoken, while money and
men are wasted in a pointless war, started by fools who are ruining the
West's powerful status. This propaganda rubbish that is twisting the
minds of people at home is more damaging than any insurgent.

We need to either utterly destroy the jihads, or pull out.
Chechnya showed us that total devastation is not enough.

Pulling out is not an option either, as it will signal the complete
collapse of US credibility, although it has happened before.

What do we do then, I ask our armchair genii on this thread?

Do you contine to follow the half-baked commands of the
crooks in thrones of power, till our armies are in no state
to fend off any future enemies of significance? Do we yap
like idiots at the latest editorialised report from the news
channels that follow direct orders from the same goons
who started this mess?

Let's hear the solution, heroes!

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[Azash]

I'll bet money the U.S. does shuts down the press if we get hit hard by these freaks.

Yep, that's the rational action. When someone suicide-bombs a convoy, instantly shut down everything except FOX.

Instead of playing the capitalist game they resorted to violence. For anyone who might think otherwise we have shut down the press before, we might have to shut it down again, seeing as its more of a threat than the "enemy". I know this is hard for a born lefty to see, but there is no such thing as freedom of press in time of war.

Here I was, thinking you stood for "freedom" and "democracy". How glad am I not to see that you've finally abandoned your obsoleted American Dream. Now, let's roll with the Brave New Wo.. er, New American Century.

WE are not in war atm so by all means, tear our efforts down. You embolden the enemy as much if not more htan our "vicious" actions do. In the end the left will be the one that shuts it donw, ironic though it may be.

Right, you're not in a war. Good. Then get out of there, or acknowledge that you are pretty much running Iraq atm.

The US' vicious actions, as you put it, bring more shame and hatred on your nation than the anti-FOX N.. "liberal" media ever could.

This war isn't near as nasty as it could be.

Are you planning to make it nastier? Do you have inside info? Do share.

 

[Tulkas12]

Goodness!

Tactics? Rules of Engagement?
I never knew such things existed...Golly!

Give me at least some credit. I am a convervative, for your information.
Your constant drubbing by the commies must be making you lash out.

I have a serious problem with hearing lies being spoken, while money and
men are wasted in a pointless war, started by fools who are ruining the
West's powerful status. This propaganda rubbish that is twisting the
minds of people at home is more damaging than any insurgent.

We need to either utterly destroy the jihads, or pull out.
Chechnya showed us that total devastation is not enough.

Pulling out is not an option either, as it will signal the complete
collapse of US credibility, although it has happened before.

What do we do then, I ask our armchair genii on this thread?

Do you contine to follow the half-baked commands of the
crooks in thrones of power, till our armies are in no state
to fend off any future enemies of significance? Do we yap
like idiots at the latest editorialised report from the news
channels that follow direct orders from the same goons
who started this mess?

Let's hear the solution, heroes!

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Not that I buy this post, but I offered a solution that would solve alot of this. Not all but alot. You take the terrorist families hostage. Hold them. Most will think we're bluffing. At least one will do w/e it is they plan on anyways, when they do kill his little brother/sister and father. Yea, it means nothing to him cause he's already dead, but for everyone else it means game on. I suggest starting by grabbing Osama's family memebers first, we know he doesn't care about them, but it would be a gem of a propaganda tool now wouldn't it.

Smile Curt, we could be alot nastier than we are now.

 

[Tulkas12]

Yep, that's the rational action. When someone suicide-bombs a convoy, instantly shut down everything except FOX. Here I was, thinking you stood for "freedom" and "democracy". How glad am I not to see that you've finally abandoned your obsoleted American Dream. Now, let's roll with the Brave New Wo.. er, New American Century. Right, you're not in a war. Good. Then get out of there, or acknowledge that you are pretty much running Iraq atm.

The US' vicious actiions, as you put it, bring more shame and hatred on your nation than the anti-FOX N.. "liberal" media ever could.


Are you planning to make it nastier? Do you have inside info? Do share.

Lol, we know of the hypocritical ways of the european nations. Mind you not, you are more racist, more bigoted, and more controlled than we have ever been. Maybe you should wake up and stop telling me too. You from the US btw? It will only deepen our discussion if you are.

 

[CurtSibling]

Link please? Prove to me the US means to be nasty. No really, prove it. i want ot see all the pics you can muster up in the half-hour I have.

Get over yourself.

Shall I get links to the weather in 'My Little Pony Land' too?

Act stupid and I treat you stupid...And I would like to think you are not.

Do you have any idea what we could do to achieve our campaign goals or are you on acid? I know you know better than that. We are being "nice" as you put it.

Your posts are becoming a bit incoherent.
But here is what constitutes the mission goal, straight from the chief's mouth.

"The United States has no intention of determining the precise form of Iraq's new government. That choice belongs to the Iraqi people. Yet, we will ensure that one brutal dictator is not replaced by another. All Iraqis must have a voice in the new government, and all citizens must have their rights protected. Rebuilding Iraq will require a sustained commitment from many nations, including our own: we will remain in Iraq as long as necessary, and not a day more."

- President George W. Bush

Argue with your boss, if you wish...

I'll bet money the U.S. does shuts down the press if we get hit hard by these freaks. Instead of playing the capitalist game they resorted to violence. For anyone who might think otherwise we have shut down the press before, we might have to shut it down again, seeing as its more of a threat than the "enemy". I know this is hard for a born lefty to see, but there is no such thing as freedom of press in time of war. WE are not in war atm so by all means, tear our efforts down. You embolden the enemy as much if not more htan our "vicious" actions do. In the end the left will be the one that shuts it donw, ironic though it may be.

Calling me a 'leftie' just shows how narrow-sighted you are. You cannot
handle any opinion - Choosing to scream 'Librul!' or 'Leftie' at any other
views...What a total joke. And I agree that free press is an illusion.

But you would have known that if you pulled the wool from your eyes
and read my posts, instead of trying to seem like a loyal Coulter-youth.

This war isn't near as nasty as it could be.

War has no upper limit to nastiness...That is a no-brainer.

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[Rik Meleet]

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