civver_764
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What with the emphasis on forgiveness and all that? Boggles my mind.
How can a Christian support the death penalty?
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GhostWriter16
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Genesis 9:6- And whoever sheds man's blood, by man's blood shall he be shed.
I can see the arguments about Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy being applied to Jewish only (I disagree unless Jesus specifically ended it) however, Genesis 9:6 was established by God to Noah, which means, everyone.
Eye for an Eye still applies, its just, people were making it personal. That's what Jesus nullified.
NOTE: I am a Christian myself so I thought it was appropriate for me to answer.
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They haven't taken the log out of their own eye.
Lucky when JC asked who amoung you is without sin ..... they were back at the temple with the money changers .... or that poor girl would be stone cold dead
Lucky when JC asked who amoung you is without sin ..... they were back at the temple with the money changers .... or that poor girl would be stone cold dead
GhostWriter16
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Jesus was, I believe, nullifying the basis of the death penalty for adultery, maybe, I'm not sure (It definitely shouldn't be used for that purpose today, and I am very wide on the crimes I support it for, including rape and armed robbery.)
He was also challenging the Pharisees hearts, something he felt was more important than having that girl dead at that time. Christ preached mercy, and he gave that woman mercy, that doesn't mean the death penalty shouldn't be used.
Well, the death penalty isn't the most important issue in existence, it doesn't define Christianity. But I support it.
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Come on DoM ....who among you is with out sin .... nothing can be clearer in intent,
He nullified, as you put it
ALL 10 commandments with his saying there is only one Commandment, which he then clealy states (its actually two but HE saw it as one and the same)
you can argure old testment i just stick with JC
He nullified, as you put it
ALL 10 commandments with his saying there is only one Commandment, which he then clealy states (its actually two but HE saw it as one and the same)
you can argure old testment i just stick with JC
GhostWriter16
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Are you a Christian though?
And he didn't nullify the other 10, just said the other two were more important. I think the fourth was the only one that was nullified.
And he didn't nullify the other 10, just said the other two were more important. I think the fourth was the only one that was nullified.
Er, if Jesus nullified the commandments then he's a false prophet by old testament standards; prophets cannot nullify old laws.
GhostWriter16
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He didn't though.
He said the Sabbath was created for benefit of man, this was true. The purpose was misinterpreted.
Ziggy Stardust
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I'm not a Christian so you might be able to explain to me, preferably backed up by quotes, whether Christs specifies when to be merciful and when not to.
GhostWriter16
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People =/= the government system. People should not pursue vengeance themselves. The legal system should still execute murderers.
I think a Christian can support the death penalty the same way they can support prison sentences, or fines, or other punishments; forgiving someone and not letting society have a criminal justice system are different things.
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does it matter
go check your version of the book don't google it, read it and see
every thing he did from praising little birds, eating the corn in the fields, selecting the Samaritans to show compassion, even who(and where) he forgave and healed, drank with, IT WAS ALL a direct slap in the face for HIS religion...THIER understanding of the scriptures, he turned everything on its head
whether I'm part of the clique or is not really important
According to Christians, when people die, God will send them to Heaven or Hell anyway. So it can't be wrong to kill murderers because the worst that can happen if they are good people is that they get sent to Heaven earlier than they expected - a kind of bonus award for them. So it can't be wrong to kill them as they are only being sent to face the same destiny they were going to face anyway. And God wouldn't let us kill them if He didn't want us to kill them - which means that it can't be wrong.
But you just said he nullified one.
GhostWriter16
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I bolded the one sentence I have to disagree with, because murder is still wrong. According to the sentence, it isn't. I'm going to guess this is genuine error. I agree with the rest.
I also agree with this.
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i find your post informative, and enjoyable.... but would you throw that first stone
Ziggy Stardust
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That's great, but not what I was tunneling at.
I was wondering if there are acts which go even beyond mercy. For instance, should we forgive Stalin for his actions? Are there evil people and acts which are unforgivable? I can imagine forgiving an adulteress, but should a Christian strife to forgive those who flew planes into the WTC? Still wanting them to face justice, but forgive them nonetheless?
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