How is your EU3 Game going?

[Civ'ed]

Most of those timurid-revolters have interesting borders (read: My eyes didn't immediately fall out).
Most, mind you. The east looks like a mess.

 

[Tee Kay]

Go Brittany go!

 

[Heretic_Cata]

The Hordes can be like that. When there's more than one bordering me like that, I try to balance it so I'm not at war with both at once. That way I can concentrate my forces at one and hopefully at worst have to concede defeat. But as you saw, 35,000 isn't enough to stop a strong Timurids by themselves.

The Timurids were allied with the Golden Horde almost since the beginning in my game. Not fun at all. The upside was that if i survived the brunt of the invasion i had plenty of years of peace with the barbarians so i could easily focus of annexing the small kingdoms around my empire. Right now i'm bouncing between the Golden Horde and the Mamluks in terms of capturing provinces. Easy pickings for now. Just got Alexandria and Astrahan in my last batch. WOO

Don't you ever force integration, that will give you lots of infamy if it succeeds and it will lower relations with other PUs you might have and an huge penalty to relations if you fail.

All you need to do with PUs is form an alliance, keep your prestige very high, spam them with gifts till you have >190 relations and make sure you have more troops than they do (otherwise they'll flood you with insults to break free).

For now i seem to be doing all that. So i just have to wait now.

That way, once your king dies, you'll have a quite high chance of inheriting them for no infamy whatsoever and you'll also get instant cores if they're in the same culture group which you wouldn't get if you forced integration.

Just be patient and remember that you can't inherit them if they're at war (you can be at war though, it's fine if you DoW someone but don't call them in).

Wait once my king dies ? Or his ?

Btw forming this personal union was quite strange. I made an alliance + military access with them. After that i claimed their throne. Their leader died, nothing happened. Oh well. Then their leader died again after a few years and i got a "claim throne CB". Strange thing is i couldn't declare war because i had an alliance + military access. I had to give up on those (and take the prestige hit) and then i could declare war and conquer them. Even tho i could annex them, i decided to try this personal union thing. All in all, it seems like too much of a bother while preventing me from having a republic.

 

[uat2d]

Wait once my king dies ? Or his ?

If it's a personal union, it's the same king!

Btw forming this personal union was quite strange. I made an alliance + military access with them. After that i claimed their throne. Their leader died, nothing happened. Oh well. Then their leader died again after a few years and i got a "claim throne CB". Strange thing is i couldn't declare war because i had an alliance + military access. I had to give up on those (and take the prestige hit) and then i could declare war and conquer them. Even tho i could annex them, i decided to try this personal union thing. All in all, it seems like too much of a bother while preventing me from having a republic.

Claim throne =/= Personal Union

If you want to form PUs safely first you need to RM then you claim throne if they have no legitimate heirs and then send them gifts and hope that they die without a good heir or you DoW them and force the PU through war. Alternatively, you can fabricate a claim with a spy on their capital and use the obscure documents cb to force a PU in a war.

Here's some other older screenshots of mine that involve PUs:

Spoiler :

I don't know what's up with imgur, it's converting half my pictures from png to jpg and pixelating them in the process

 

[Heretic_Cata]

If it's a personal union, it's the same king!

Oh, right
I think i get it now. So i just have to keep my legitimacy/prestige/etc up and wait for my ******** heir to take the throne. After which hopefully the merging will be complete. IMMEDIATELY afterwards, i'm switching to republic. I can't seriously play with a 3-administration, 3-diplomacy and 5-military leader. Plus, he will delay westernization too much.

 

[uat2d]

To further develop on my previous post, here's three screenshots from my current game:

Spoiler Naples already under a PU :

Spoiler England with its throne claimed :

 

[sophie]

Yeah, once you learn of the magic of PU-inheritances that little crown icon all of a sudden becomes your absolute favorite thing on the whole screen. I look at that thing obsessively now.

 

[Angst]

Go Brittany go!

Yeah! Screw France!

 

[Nintz]

My current game.

EDIT: Ack. I just realized I was relying purely on auto-saves. Oh well.

 

[Heretic_Cata]

Hey, is it possible to start as any of the american nations from 1400 and resist the european invaders ? Anyone ever did that ?

 

[Nintz]

Difficult. Very difficult. Huron/Iroquois tend to have a longer lifespan than Creek/Cherokee/Shawnee due to the latter being on the coast. The Inca are just too isolated to westernize before getting attacked usually.

The most famous (and extreme) native AAR is here. It is a few years old, still running IN, but Prawn Star almost managed a WC.

 

[Heretic_Cata]

Also, i have a problem in my ottoman game. I researched Noble Republic but can't switch to it. It isn't even an option to chose from. What did i do ?

 

[sophie]

Also, i have a problem in my ottoman game. I researched Noble Republic but can't switch to it. It isn't even an option to chose from. What did i do ?

Do you have the appropriate slider positions for the government type? Does the government type require that you be westernized?

 

[Heretic_Cata]

Do you have the appropriate slider positions for the government type? Does the government type require that you be westernized?

Err where does it say these things ?

I am a Feudal Monarchy and can change to an Empire with a policy.

I looked up Noble Republic here:
http://www.paradoxian.org/eu3wiki/Noble_Republic
I have gov tech 10 (obviously). My centralization is at -2 tho, is that bad ? The wiki isn't clear if i should have less or more ... Do i have to be either Administrative Republic, Republican Dictatorship or Despotic Monarchy to change ?
No idea about the westernization part.

 

[W|M]

You have to be a certain government (Despotic Monarchy, Empire, Administrative Republic or Tribal Democracy) to be able to change to Noble Republic. Each arrow in the picture points out which government can change to what.

Spoiler :

 

[Heretic_Cata]

Oh, handy graph
Guess i'll have to switch to Empire - oh gawd more stab hits.
But i think i'll put the republic plans on hold since i'll be in a regency council for about 12 years if the ruler dies now. The current ruler has been on the throne for 70 years now ... His heirs died twice already and the new one was born a few years ago. So yea ... crappy times ahead. And i had to wait for so many years for those PUs to actually be worth it but the current king just won't die. The provinces would have almost been cores by now if i did it the old fashion way.

 

[Quintillus]

Hey, is it possible to start as any of the american nations from 1400 and resist the european invaders ? Anyone ever did that ?

Yes, but as Nintz said, it's difficult. I've tried it twice. The first time, as the Iroquois, I made friends with the Portuguese (the first Europeans I met), but my westernization was not quick enough, and I got steamrolled by the Danes shortly before the Land Tech 18 that might have allowed me to stave off their colonial armies.

The second time, I played the Shawnee. They do indeed tend to meet the Europeans sooner, but in some ways this was good - it meant I got to start westernizing several decades sooner. I avoided the coast like the plague, leaving the Creek (IIRC) to have that land. The Cherokee I made my vassal IIRC. Spain and France came first, and France became my hostile neighbor. I had a lot of land (and had colonized a bit with my Colonial Ventures idea), and France only had a couple armies. So, I played ping-pong with them in my fortless territory, moving my 1000-2000 strong armies in behind their 10,000 strong armies to retake my provinces, and occasionally taking advantage of knowing the surrounding uncolonized regions that they couldn't move into. Eventually, they tired of it, and after a couple such wars, I'd advanced enough that I could fight them on the field of battle.

The game was still a pain, however. Bohemia took much of the east coast (odd colonizer, indeed), and declared war on me. I occupied all their colonies, but they wouldn't accept peace because I was a puny pagan. I stayed at war for some ridiculous period of time like 20 years because I couldn't build any ships (no core coastal provinces). When I last played the game, it was around the 1720s, and I finally had core coastal provinces and was building a navy to sail to Europe with.

edit: Also, as great as the chart west india man posted is, be aware that it is out of date, and the government bonuses (particularly the magistrates) are not accurate as of Divine Wind 5.1.

 

[Heretic_Cata]

Ok i give up, can anyone figure out why i can't change to republic ?

Here's a pic of the gov change tab:

Spoiler :

If i hover above republic it says i can't change to it from my government type. The graph above clearly states that i can; plus the noble republic button didn't even show up when i was a feudal monarchy.

Here is a pic of my sliders if that helps:

Spoiler :

Also, with the regency finally over i now have a ******** leader with 3 admin skills which gave me overextention and his heir is another ******** leader.
Also, the Personal Unions were worthless, as when the the regency was over nothing happened even tho my prestige was 100 and state relations were 200, my legitimacy was 50 tho but not much i could do about that considering i was in regency for 10 years. He didn't even inherit a crappy 1-province nation from Egypt.

 

[sophie]

Also, the Personal Unions were worthless, as when the the regency was over nothing happened even tho my prestige was 100 and state relations were 200, my legitimacy was 50 tho but not much i could do about that considering i was in regency for 10 years. He didn't even inherit a crappy 1-province nation from Egypt.

They aren't worth it, you just have a chance to inherit every time your leader dies. Sometimes this takes one throne change sometimes it can take several. You can check by going to the nation you have PU with, hovering over their monarch's name, and see what "On monarch's death" shows. Keep in mind this will change several times over the course of a monarch's reign. Really you just have to focus on keeping relations high and waiting it out. The not getting infamy for all that land is really worth it. Especially when you can bag larger kingdoms, and especially when it's HRE provinces.

 

[Peck of Arabia]

I've heard trust is a big factor in increasing the chance of inheritance. A casual observation on my part would seem to confirm this.

The problem is, I'm not sure how to increase trust without solely relying on people declaring war on my union partners so I can come to the rescue. Any tips?