How is your EU3 Game going?

[Nintz]

High prestige is important. As is diplomatic skill. Relations definitely important. Trust is a factor to some degree, but I don't know how much. I've inherited with low trust and not inherited with high trust. I don't actually think you can intentionally raise it however.

 

[Heretic_Cata]

When i got my second PU, the trust part fell apart and both PUed nations have distrusted me since then ...

Anyway, it looks like i'm sticking with them anyway since i can't go for republic until i research another republic type or a ruler that can westernize me (100 years minimum).

 

[uat2d]

You can't change into a republic because you still have PUs.

To inherit, you'll have to be patient - keep relations at max (I don't think you can even inherit under 100), have an higher prestige than them, low infamy, good diplomacy and high trust.

The more you claim thrones, use spies and break alliances, the more your trust will decrease, the more you accept call to arms and overall have a good diplo management, the more they'll trust you.

 

[Heretic_Cata]

You can't change into a republic because you still have PUs.

To inherit, you'll have to be patient - keep relations at max (I don't think you can even inherit under 100), have an higher prestige than them, low infamy, good diplomacy and high trust.

Had all those things except high trust.

The more you claim thrones, use spies and break alliances, the more your trust will decrease, the more you accept call to arms and overall have a good diplo management, the more they'll trust you.

I had to use spies extensively on the nomad hordes to incite rebellions to stop them.

So, if i didn't have the PUs i could westernize in 1504 ... Will force them to integrate, i'm already overextended and had riots everywhere while fighting a huge resurgent Timurid empire, how could it possibly get any worse.

 

[chegel]

The most important thing is in my opinion to be not at war when the ruler dies. Although I read somewhere it should be possible to inherit when at war, my experience says otherwise.

 

[uat2d]

The most important thing is in my opinion to be not at war when the ruler dies. Although I read somewhere it should be possible to inherit when at war, my experience says otherwise.

You can be at war and still inherit, that's no issue, what must happen is that the junior partner must not be at war, so you may declare all the wars you want but you must not call them into them.

Hordes are irrelevant in this case.

 

[Heretic_Cata]

You can be at war and still inherit, that's no issue, what must happen is that the junior partner must not be at war, so you may declare all the wars you want but you must not call them into them.

Hordes are irrelevant in this case.

So defensive wars don't count right ?
I'm almost constantly at war with some horde or another.

 

[Nintz]

So defensive wars don't count right ?
I'm almost constantly at war with some horde or another.

Wars with hordes don't count for the "At War" checks. Unless you are a horde, in which case it is the reverse.

 

[Heretic_Cata]

Hey does my monarch die faster if i make him a military general ?

 

[sophie]

Hey does my monarch die faster if i make him a military general ?

Yes, although it's on your conscience. Some don't like doing it because it's a bit gamey. They also die faster if you make him a general and put him in an area prone to causing high attrition, like Africa.

 

[Heretic_Cata]

Yes, although it's on your conscience. Some don't like doing it because it's a bit gamey. They also die faster if you make him a general and put him in an area prone to causing high attrition, like Africa.

On my conscience ? The entire Ottoman Empire should be on HIS conscience !

Besides, i'm not sending him to certain death, i just need him to clear some natives for my new colonies which just happen to be in Africa.

 

[LamaGT]

If you make him general he will have the same chance to die as any other general, that is pretty high. Attrition doesn't work magically though, I once reduced an army to the impressive amount of 0 men through attrition and that sucker still didn't die.
The laws of inheritance are mostly mystical, in my experience the only things that affect the rate are wars (as somebody else explained it's impossible to inherit if the PU partner is at war). Even the 100 relations thingy is false, I'm pretty sure I once inherited with barely positive relations.

 

[uat2d]

If you make him general he will have the same chance to die as any other general, that is pretty high. Attrition doesn't work magically though, I once reduced an army to the impressive amount of 0 men through attrition and that sucker still didn't die.

Attrition on its own won't kill him, and I don't think sticking him in a ship and letting it sink also won't.

Make him fight losing battles such as against natives with a single 1k unit with no morale if you really want to cheese it.

 

[Heretic_Cata]

Our dear leader passed away while guarding one of the african provinces. Poor guy. (held him there for about 2 years in a half-colonised province)

New guy is only slightly less ********. But at least i got rid of overextension.
Inherited squat btw.

However i CAN integrate both of them forcefully. What annoys me with keeping them in limbo like this is that relations with them deteriorate RAPIDLY for some reasons. Every year they both get a -25 relations hit at different intervals without me doing anything. Besides those, everything i seem to do on a diplomatic level with other countries decreases the relations even further. Because of them i'm can't really conquer anything regardless of religion/culture. The good news is they are finally willing to "trust me to uphold my bargains".

Also, i just noticed i have a HUGE problem with war weariness caused by attrition during peace times. (this was even from before killing the leader) I think i fixed it by abandoning border defenses and moving my armies to big supply limit provinces. (odd that i never had this problem playing with Spain, i didn't really care about this and had constant 0 war exhaustion)

What i really want to know is how can i make war exhaustion decrease faster ???

 

[LamaGT]

Our dear leader passed away while guarding one of the african provinces. Poor guy. (held him there for about 2 years in a half-colonised province)

New guy is only slightly less ********. But at least i got rid of overextension.
Inherited squat btw.

However i CAN integrate both of them forcefully. What annoys me with keeping them in limbo like this is that relations with them deteriorate RAPIDLY for some reasons. Every year they both get a -25 relations hit at different intervals without me doing anything. Besides those, everything i seem to do on a diplomatic level with other countries decreases the relations even further. Because of them i'm can't really conquer anything regardless of religion/culture. The good news is they are finally willing to "trust me to uphold my bargains".

Also, i just noticed i have a HUGE problem with war weariness caused by attrition during peace times. (this was even from before killing the leader) I think i fixed it by abandoning border defenses and moving my armies to big supply limit provinces. (odd that i never had this problem playing with Spain, i didn't really care about this and had constant 0 war exhaustion)

What i really want to know is how can i make war exhaustion decrease faster ???

You only get war exhaustion from attrition during peace if you have troops outside the borders. Also nomad wars do count as wars in this case.

 

[Heretic_Cata]

You only get war exhaustion from attrition during peace if you have troops outside the borders. Also nomad wars do count as wars in this case.

All my wars with nomads in the last few years are wars with nomads that are currently entirely under occupation of other nations. And i just got fed up with the pointless continual prestige loss of conceding defeat to them since they never accept anything else even tho they have no territories and no armies.

 

[Heretic_Cata]

Meh, accepted some humiliating defeats to get rid of my attrition and spread out my armies more (which sucks).

An overview of my game:

The year is 1522
Picture of my known world:

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Picture of religions in the known world - Europe is a mess making wars easier.

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Btw, that blue Crete is the Protestant Byzantine Empire which converted a few years ago.

Here is the sadder technology map:

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My gov tech is 14. The rest of my techs are around 10.

And here is the world map:

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And here's the dilemma. My options are:

1. Force integrate my PUs (the blue Iraq and the blue province in Egypt) + a 1 province vassal -> Change to republic as soon as the stab hits clear -> fight a crapload of rebellions -> Westernize -> fight a crapload of rebellions -> Conquer stuff
2. Wait 100 years at least until i get a monarch that has larger than 4 admin skills -> Wait 200 years until i get a monarch that i can westernize with -> Wait 500 years until my PUs willingly integrate.
3. Slaughter every single monarch i get in the jungles of Africa to pagan gods until Allah gives me a non-******** monarch or, Allah willing, a monarch with which i can westernize.

 

[uat2d]

I'd say keep those relations and trust high, your infamy low, wait for inheriting and only then change for a republic.

 

[Heretic_Cata]

I'd say keep those relations and trust high, your infamy low, wait for inheriting and only then change for a republic.

The relations thing and trust seem to be the issue, since wars with others seem to put dents in those. I'll prolly wait a bit and see what happens. Until i get pissed or smthing.
This will make me even more backward than the rest of europe.

 

[LamaGT]

You can save-edit your heir to have adm 6/7 It's no more cheating than sending him to Africa. Also, becoming a republic in your case means enduring a crapload of rebellions for no real gain