grandad1982
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Most of my liberals have been event driven. I guess thats because I'm in Europe in the '40s.
How is your Victoria Game going?
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Most of my liberals have been event driven. I guess thats because I'm in Europe in the '40s.
SouthernKing
crickety cricket
I might do an (NNM) AAR in the future, any countries you'd like to see?
Leonel
Breakfast Connoisseur
Well I'm playing as Japan. It seems more likely I'll become a fascist state with fascists starting to grow in the upper house.
grandad1982
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Well I reloaded a save from before the war with Egypt. I didn't get the debt CB on Tuscany this time but when I did declare on Egypt I asked my allies from the start. France yet again only peaced out one of my war goals. Shortly after they started their own war in Egypt and started takng the provinces I wanted (along the red sea). Also even though I was in control of Suez France built the canal and got the province! Is this because I was in their sphere? The canal was part of my main reason for going to war in Egypt (as well as controlling my own cotton supply).
At home I kept my industry growing to 6th place and slowly started to build more troops and getting some army tech (organisation, moral and the rifle tree up to Machine guns). My prestige climbed due to tech as well.
I was hovering around 10th-13th when Tuscany had a Garibaldi revolt. The revolt succeeded and they turned to me as the dominant power on the peninsular to form Italy! Not how I wanted it to happen but good enough for me!
I took a while for my to be recognised as a great power even when I hit 7th place (thanks for the man power Two Sicillies). But when I did I started to influence Dia Nam (tropical hard wood for my Luz furniture), Persia (for an ally the other side of the Ottermans) and Ethiopia (I still want to control the Red Sea and the Horn of Africa).
The Papal States are still around and sphered to France. I tried to get influence with them but straight away France banned my embassy.
Just before Italy formed France got a massive butt kicking from Austria and the NGF et al. They were trying to get state in the N Rhine and ended up losing Normandy to Austria
With the allies and just the size of Austria I see no way of getting my cores that are there. France dropped to 5th after the war but has got back to 3rd I think (still ahead of Austria) but they won't jin a war against Austria with me. I don't blame them. I wish I'd recorded the smack down they got. It was like watching an ink stain spreading out in water, impressive.
Could anyone explain why no one want to ally with me? What are the factors that affect alliance chance? I have perfect relationships with Russia and a few others but they all say an alliance is impossible.
At home I kept my industry growing to 6th place and slowly started to build more troops and getting some army tech (organisation, moral and the rifle tree up to Machine guns). My prestige climbed due to tech as well.
I was hovering around 10th-13th when Tuscany had a Garibaldi revolt. The revolt succeeded and they turned to me as the dominant power on the peninsular to form Italy! Not how I wanted it to happen but good enough for me!
I took a while for my to be recognised as a great power even when I hit 7th place (thanks for the man power Two Sicillies). But when I did I started to influence Dia Nam (tropical hard wood for my Luz furniture), Persia (for an ally the other side of the Ottermans) and Ethiopia (I still want to control the Red Sea and the Horn of Africa).
The Papal States are still around and sphered to France. I tried to get influence with them but straight away France banned my embassy.
Just before Italy formed France got a massive butt kicking from Austria and the NGF et al. They were trying to get state in the N Rhine and ended up losing Normandy to Austria
With the allies and just the size of Austria I see no way of getting my cores that are there. France dropped to 5th after the war but has got back to 3rd I think (still ahead of Austria) but they won't jin a war against Austria with me. I don't blame them. I wish I'd recorded the smack down they got. It was like watching an ink stain spreading out in water, impressive.
Could anyone explain why no one want to ally with me? What are the factors that affect alliance chance? I have perfect relationships with Russia and a few others but they all say an alliance is impossible.
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
Correct me if I'm wrong on this, but doesn't having a fascist majority in the upper house or among the voters not actually lead to a fascist state? I thought only rebels could force regime changes like that.
ZeletDude
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This is correct. Though I think personally if you have a majority of your upper house as fascist the country should turn fascist. :/
salty mud
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Does having a mainly fascist upper house make fascist rebels more likely?
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
Yeah, it's ironic because I think only a handful of the truly notable fascist states ever became so due to rebellion. Ah, well.
grandad1982 said:
If your infamy is high(ish), nations won't want to ally with you at all unless you've sphered them or you're very, very strong. And even if you're strong, they're not likely to ever come to your aid in the case of war.
Peru and Venezuela were fun on my side, Mexico and the US are fun but done to death. I had an idea for an Austrian AAR where I intentionally effed up the administration, caused a brutal set of 1848 revolutions, and then played as a Hungary or Croatia.
This is broadly true of other revolutionary ideologies, but there is an additional event that causes HM Governments and Republics to convert to fascist dictatorships if the fascist percentage in your upper house is greater than 25% or 30%. You can refuse, but be prepared for +monster militancy (8?) for all fascist groups (basically, instant revolution).
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
Do you know what drives that fascist percentage up? Assuming the upper house isn't elected, of course. Otherwise, what makes the people themselves more likely to vote fascist?
mechaerik
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Fascism is driven by war exhaustion (I think), unemployment, revanchism (this is a big one) and some other factors.
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
And how does revanchism work? Do you just lose a war and some land and it starts shooting up?
These are the major factors. Minor factors include people agreeing with fascist-type ideology stuff (like moralism, residency, etc.) and national focuses. I think some pops may be disposed towards fascism as well (like craftsmen are predisposed towards socialism), but I'd have to czech the game files.
Shooting up is a strong way to put it. It will slowly climb for every year some core of yours is foreign-controlled, but I've never seen revanchism get too high in my games (unless it's been heavily rebalanced in recent patches, or you have a Great-War type situation where a lot of land changes hands quickly). You have to lose several states for it to be noticeable year-to-year (i.e. Confederates win the Civil War, and somehow survive the repeated Union attempts to re-integrate them).
mechaerik
Tuturuu!
@Czerth: I believe its caused by not owning some of your cores. I think its more percentage based than absolute numbers (a small country losing some of its cores will be affected more than a large country losing the same amount). I haven't actually played V2 in a while, but I'm fairly sure thats how it works.
ZeletDude
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Losing cores makes revanchism go up, more cores you lose more revanchism and thus more fascists. The great wars mini mod adds to this, and makes it so if you lose a war there's more chance for fascist elements to take over .
Edit I was ninja'd
Edit I was ninja'd
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
Awesome, thanks guys. 
germanicus12
First Citizen of Rome
Update on my USA game:
I fought 2 Great Wars for 2 different nations.
The first came in 1912 when France offered me an alliance and invited me to fight against Germany who attempted to gain control of some border provinces. After shifting 120,000 troops to Europe, Germany was crushed and Berlin fell within a year of my troops landing on European soil.
Allies: France (leader), USA, Netherlands, Britain (her minor allies), Canada and Australia.
Central Alliance: Germany, Austria-Hungary, Belgium and Spain.
The second came in 1914 when the Netherlands called me in to defend against French aggression which then spiraled out of control as France and I called in our respective allies. This very bloody war ended in a status quo after I was forced to sack both Paris and London. This war took approximately 5 years and was fought mainly in the colonies, South America, Canada, Australia, Africa and India. Europe was a picture of Trench Warfare in which huge armies simply stood there and watched each other or when they fought it resulted in a long and bloody stalemate in which neither side can really claim victory.
Allies: USA (leader), Netherlands, US Allies (Mexico, Colombia, Venezuela, Panama, Honduras, Haiti, Brazil, Ecuador, Peru, Paraguay, Uruguay, Chile and Libera)
The other Alliance
: France (leader), UK, Canada, Australia, Belgium, Savoy-Piedmont, Portugal, and of course the UK's minor allies in India and Asia.
I am now at 1919. I will post a map after my next game.
EDIT: I found it humorous how quickly loyalties in Europe change. Britain and Canada were both quick to discard their alliance with the most powerful nation on earth, which is the USA, while Belgium chose to ally with France after their brutal butt kicking in the last great war as France's armies paraded through Belgium. Germany chose to stay out of the next war and Germany's allies decided to stay with Germany. Though I would admit that had Germany joined on my side the war would have ended far more quickly.
But during all this Russia did the most ridiculous thing I saw in any game. They were originally allied with France and despite repeated attempts to bring them in the 1st war they refused. At the completion of the 1st war they discarded their alliance with France and went solo for several years until the next war started in which Russia approached us, the USA, for an alliance which I accepted, thinking I could bring the Russian bear against Europe. But again they refused to get involved. When that war ended they discarded our alliance and went solo again.
I fought 2 Great Wars for 2 different nations.
The first came in 1912 when France offered me an alliance and invited me to fight against Germany who attempted to gain control of some border provinces. After shifting 120,000 troops to Europe, Germany was crushed and Berlin fell within a year of my troops landing on European soil.
Allies: France (leader), USA, Netherlands, Britain (her minor allies), Canada and Australia.
Central Alliance: Germany, Austria-Hungary, Belgium and Spain.
The second came in 1914 when the Netherlands called me in to defend against French aggression which then spiraled out of control as France and I called in our respective allies. This very bloody war ended in a status quo after I was forced to sack both Paris and London. This war took approximately 5 years and was fought mainly in the colonies, South America, Canada, Australia, Africa and India. Europe was a picture of Trench Warfare in which huge armies simply stood there and watched each other or when they fought it resulted in a long and bloody stalemate in which neither side can really claim victory.
Allies: USA (leader), Netherlands, US Allies (Mexico, Colombia, Venezuela, Panama, Honduras, Haiti, Brazil, Ecuador, Peru, Paraguay, Uruguay, Chile and Libera)
The other Alliance
: France (leader), UK, Canada, Australia, Belgium, Savoy-Piedmont, Portugal, and of course the UK's minor allies in India and Asia. I am now at 1919. I will post a map after my next game.
EDIT: I found it humorous how quickly loyalties in Europe change. Britain and Canada were both quick to discard their alliance with the most powerful nation on earth, which is the USA, while Belgium chose to ally with France after their brutal butt kicking in the last great war as France's armies paraded through Belgium. Germany chose to stay out of the next war and Germany's allies decided to stay with Germany. Though I would admit that had Germany joined on my side the war would have ended far more quickly.
But during all this Russia did the most ridiculous thing I saw in any game. They were originally allied with France and despite repeated attempts to bring them in the 1st war they refused. At the completion of the 1st war they discarded their alliance with France and went solo for several years until the next war started in which Russia approached us, the USA, for an alliance which I accepted, thinking I could bring the Russian bear against Europe. But again they refused to get involved. When that war ended they discarded our alliance and went solo again.
ComradeDavo
Formerly God
My Prussia (now Germany) game is proving frustrating. It's past 1900, I never got round to colonising Africa and France has become allmighty. I have taken out Switzerland (damn neutrals) but my embrace of Democracy just reulsts in Konservative governments one after the other, with the occasional liberal one (swiftly vote dout next time). This is dampenign my attempt to industrialise and Austria, France, Italy and Russia have all allied so i cna't really go invade anyone either.
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
Finally finished my game as Grossdeutschland (Germany + Austria-Hungary, that is). By 1871 I was the premiere power in every aspect, with the UK hot on my heels in terms of military and slowly but surely falling behind in industry.
Next comes a little less than 70 years of Pax Germania. I considered butchering the USA for fun, but I already had cemented Mexico and the CSA and unmolestable by them and decided to focus elsewhere. I conquered China, Indochina, then turned my eyes towards Africa and the Middle-East. I had a big war with Britain in 1910 over what remained of China (Burma was all that was left), and it ended in 1914 with Scottish independence and the turnover of quite a bit of territory to me. A few petty wars of domination (and some absurd amount of infamy accruing) later:
With allies in Sweden, Scotland, Ireland, Mexico, the CSA, the USCA, and Colombia. I puppeted quite a few nations.
What I took away from this: Greater Germany is insanely overpowered. Early on (sometime in the 1850's I think), France, the Netherlands, Denmark, Russia, and Britain all tried to take me down, but surprisingly I managed to repulse them all handily and reaped some tasty benefits (Belgian independence, colonies from the Dutch, Jutland from Denmark, and Wielkopolskie from Russia). It was winning that war that convinced me that there was really no way I was going to be destroyed, and predictably enough it turned into a game of paint-the-map gray.
For the most part, it was good catharsis though.
Spoiler 1871 :
Next comes a little less than 70 years of Pax Germania. I considered butchering the USA for fun, but I already had cemented Mexico and the CSA and unmolestable by them and decided to focus elsewhere. I conquered China, Indochina, then turned my eyes towards Africa and the Middle-East. I had a big war with Britain in 1910 over what remained of China (Burma was all that was left), and it ended in 1914 with Scottish independence and the turnover of quite a bit of territory to me. A few petty wars of domination (and some absurd amount of infamy accruing) later:
Spoiler Grossdeutsches Reich, 1936 :
Spoiler Everyone Else :
With allies in Sweden, Scotland, Ireland, Mexico, the CSA, the USCA, and Colombia. I puppeted quite a few nations.
Spoiler Top 8 stats :
Spoiler Final Stats :
What I took away from this: Greater Germany is insanely overpowered. Early on (sometime in the 1850's I think), France, the Netherlands, Denmark, Russia, and Britain all tried to take me down, but surprisingly I managed to repulse them all handily and reaped some tasty benefits (Belgian independence, colonies from the Dutch, Jutland from Denmark, and Wielkopolskie from Russia). It was winning that war that convinced me that there was really no way I was going to be destroyed, and predictably enough it turned into a game of paint-the-map gray.
For the most part, it was good catharsis though.
