How satisfied are you with Civ5?

[Mentalor]

Maybe the first version of DX9 is 8 years old.

Oh FerFuscia'sSake...what is wrong with you people. No, 9.0c is 6 years old. <Personal attack removed>

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Design flaws aren't teething problems, and development being difficult isn't an excuse for poor performance.

One man's design flaw is another man's gameplay change. Just because it isn't BTS doesn't make it wrong. I'm sure if some of the Civ IV number-crunching Elite had been in charge of the design it would have been a vastly different game (possibly played on a spreadsheet with a billion and one variables and no graphics at all)...I also wonder how popular it would have been. Maybe the noise-makers on here would love it...but would it be any better a game to everyone else? (i.e. the vast majority) Possibly not so much.

I've not had any gamebreaking problems with Civ V (unless work counts). A couple of crashes, yes and maybe some things I'm hoping will be changed or balanced differently (either by patches or mods), but meh I can live with that. I know, I know, aren't I the lucky one, some people can't even run the game, but I'm willing to bet the majority can.

 

[LegioCorvus]

no, but even with polls being swayed completely to the negative, this one still shows positive...which I find interesting.

Are we reading the same poll?

Currently with 686 votes we have:
17.78% completely satisfied (122 votes)
34.40% somewhat satisfied (236 votes)
&
44.47% not happy (305 votes)

Oh, and something percent purple monkey dishwasher.

I think you're misconstruing "somewhat satisfied" to mean "satisfied," wherein that adjective loses it's meaning for you. A 'somewhat good idea' is not an idea that is good. People who are 'somewhat happy' with an election result are not a people I would call enthusiastic. A book that is 'somewhat intelligent' is not a book I would call intelligent, and so on...

Now, it's your prerogative if you'd place the "mediocre" choice with somewhat satisfied, but it'll only make a 13.56% difference. The fact is, more than a third of people (and nearly half depending on your point of view) are not happy with this game. Another third/half are giving it a passing grade, but not excellent marks. Again, I wouldn't call a C+ student an exceptional student.

Less that 1/5th of the people are greatly enjoying this game. Those are not good numbers.

I only expect it to get worse with time. I was a Civ5 apologist the first week this game came out, and I couldn't believe all the complaints. A lot of stuff I still think it is silly to complain about. However, the more and more I play, the less satisfied I become. If you would have asked me the first week to vote in this poll, it would have been "completely satisfied " no question. Last week? "Somewhat satisfied." Right now I'm at underwhelmed, and I'm seriously hoping this game will pick up in the next few months.

It seems like a lot of people are having a similar playing cycle (note: I did not say all) and more and more people are coming around as they reach that 100 hour mark, some of which got there sooner than others.

If I were to have a second vote, I think I'd move it from underwhelmed, my first choice, to completely disappointed. Into a fifth game (I tend towards huge maps), and I'm finding I can hardly be bothered. I don't remember this lack of motivation from any Civ release before.

I touched on this above, but this does seem to be what is happening to a lot of people. I can't get the motivation going to start another game after the last. The quickest that's happened in previous Civ games was 3 months (Civ2 - I was 10).

 

[charon2112]

Apparently we're not...there are two positive choices adding up to 363. and two negative choices adding up to 216. Mediocre is the middle choice, not good or bad.

Are we reading the same poll?

Currently with 686 votes we have:
17.78% completely satisfied (122 votes)
34.40% somewhat satisfied (236 votes)
&
44.47% not happy (305 votes)

Oh, and something percent purple monkey dishwasher.

I think you're misconstruing "somewhat satisfied" to mean "satisfied," wherein that adjective loses it's meaning for you. A 'somewhat good idea' is not an idea that is good. People who are 'somewhat happy' with an election result are not a people I would call enthusiastic. A book that is 'somewhat intelligent' is not a book I would call intelligent, and so on...

Now, it's your prerogative if you'd place the "mediocre" choice with somewhat satisfied, but it'll only make a 13.56% difference. The fact is, more than a third of people (and nearly half depending on your point of view) are not happy with this game. Another third/half are giving it a passing grade, but not excellent marks. Again, I wouldn't call a C+ student an exceptional student.

Less that 1/5th of the people are greatly enjoying this game. Those are not good numbers.

I only expect it to get worse with time. I was a Civ5 apologist the first week this game came out, and I couldn't believe all the complaints. A lot of stuff I still think it is silly to complain about. However, the more and more I play, the less satisfied I become. If you would have asked me the first week to vote in this poll, it would have been "completely satisfied " no question. Last week? "Somewhat satisfied." Right now I'm at underwhelmed, and I'm seriously hoping this game will pick up in the next few months.

It seems like a lot of people are having a similar playing cycle (note: I did not say all) and more and more people are coming around as they reach that 100 hour mark, some of which got there sooner than others.



I touched on this above, but this does seem to be what is happening to a lot of people. I can't get the motivation going to start another game after the last. The quickest that's happened in previous Civ games was 3 months (Civ2 - I was 10).

 

[WuphonsReach]

Or look at the Amazon reviews:

5 star: (44)
4 star: (32)
3 star: (21)
2 star: (47)
1 star: (120)

264 total ratings - 29% gave it 4+ stars, 63% gave it 2 or fewer stars.

BTW, Civ5 is now down to #29 in the top-100 video game products (it was up around #19). Best peak number I saw on Steam in the past few days was about 40-45k.

 

[LegioCorvus]

Apparently we're not...there are two positive choices adding up to 363. and two negative choices adding up to 216. Mediocre is the middle choice, not good or bad.

Somewhat satisfied by your response.

 

[charon2112]

Or look at the Amazon reviews:

5 star: (44)
4 star: (32)
3 star: (21)
2 star: (47)
1 star: (120)

264 total ratings - 29% gave it 4+ stars, 63% gave it 2 or fewer stars.

BTW, Civ5 is now down to #29 in the top-100 video game products (it was up around #19). Best peak number I saw on Steam in the past few days was about 40-45k.

Yeah...I'm going to look at Amazon reviews, where it's guaranteed only the complainers post.

 

[charon2112]

Somewhat satisfied by your response.

Yes, being shown actual numbers must hurt.

 

[PieceOfMind]

I think you're misconstruing "somewhat satisfied" to mean "satisfied," wherein that adjective loses it's meaning for you. A 'somewhat good idea' is not an idea that is good. People who are 'somewhat happy' with an election result are not a people I would call enthusiastic. A book that is 'somewhat intelligent' is not a book I would call intelligent, and so on...

I appreciate you may see some subtlety in the word 'somewhat', but in the way it is used in the poll it looks fairly clear to be a choice that is meant to be between completely satisfied and 'average'. Almost as if the poll options are 1 star to 5 star. The ordering of the poll options is meant to indicate such a scale, I'm fairly sure.

One can of course argue this poll is somehow biased because of that wording.

 

[r_rolo1]

I interpret things like that as well ( i took underwhelmed as the equivalent of "not satisfied" , for a example ) , but I wonder of how many of the persons that voted "somewhat satisfied" thinked like that and how many of them thinked like LegioCorvus ...

In resume, another perfectly fine poll trashed by bad choice of options

 

[ackblom12]

And misunderstanding already corrected.

Though to be honest, I do agree that the poll is negatively biased because of that wording.

 

[WuphonsReach]

Most 5 point polls run:

Very satisfied
Somewhat satisfied
Neither satisfied nor dissatisfied
Somewhat dissatisfied
Very dissatisfied

 

[Jerrymander]

Oh FerFuscia'sSake...what is wrong with you people. No, 9.0c is 6 years old.

I was unaware that the last version of 9.0c was that old.

also:

Having more negative answers than positive renders bias towards the negative. I think most of us can agree being "mediocre" is not a positive thing for a game to be. It would have been a better poll if the 3rd response was "neither satisfied nor dissatisfied" or something similar.

Well, I'm not trying to be scientific.

Maybe I should make a new pool with these options:

Good
Neither Good nor Bad
Bad

 

[charon2112]

Most 5 point polls run:

Very satisfied
Somewhat satisfied
Neither satisfied nor dissatisfied
Somewhat dissatisfied
Very dissatisfied

This would have been a better way to word it.

 

[kuukkeli]

Neither satisfied nor dissatisfied

I think no one who has played the game can be "neither satisfied nor dissatisfied" - it's equivalent of not having an opinion at all.

And "mediocre" as a word has definitely a negative connotation to it. If it's meant to be neutral option it clearly doesn't sound like that.

 

[Jerrymander]

I think no one who has played the game can be "neither satisfied nor dissatisfied" - it's equivalent of not having an opinion at all.

And "mediocre" as a word has definitely a negative connotation to it. If it's meant to be neutral option it clearly doesn't sound like that.

Well, it did to me, but I'm a Philosopher, so my interpretation of words is forever ruined.

I might ask a mod to lock this and remake it.

 

[Cae]

Using the star system, this poll would look like this:

***** Completely Satisfied 124
**** Somewhat Satisfied 246
*** It's Mediocre 94
** Underwhelmed 132
* Completely Dissapointed 91
Radioactive monkeys stole my underwear and are holding it hostage, send money ASAP 23

Stars: 2241
Voters: 710

Average Star: 3.1

I bet the same poll but about Civ 4 would rate 4+ stars.

 

[Mentalor]

I was unaware that the last version of 9.0c was that old.

As someone's sig says 'Time flies like the wind...'...but the 'last version' is probably only as old as your last Windows Update (though surely they'd have updated the version number if it made any difference - 9.0d anyone?). So therefore 9.0c is the last version...released in August 2004 (whether or not its had minor updates since then). Either way, you should have been running DX9 for a good long time now.

 

[Blackadar]

Using the star system, this poll would look like this:

***** Completely Satisfied 124
**** Somewhat Satisfied 246
*** It's Mediocre 94
** Underwhelmed 132
* Completely Dissapointed 91
Radioactive monkeys stole my underwear and are holding it hostage, send money ASAP 23

Stars: 2241
Voters: 710

Average Star: 3.1

I bet the same poll but about Civ 4 would rate 4+ stars.

Civ 4 basic on release? Oh, I bet it wouldn't...

 

[JesusOnEez]

civ 4 basic on release? Oh, i bet it wouldn't...

3.2.

 

[Nook]

Its like playing with a starter lego set. Its cool as far as it takes you, but I want all the other things that are pictured on the box (i.e. features that will be coming in the inevitable expansions).

I am not crazy about the civics. They are like another tech tree. Not crazy about combat. It seems the game is dissuading conquest.

I voted mediocre, but I still love Civ. Not discouraged at all.