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I was asked why I am against illegal immigration and would let a cousin of mine live at my house knowing that they are illegal 
So here is my take on illegal immigration omnis totus.
It's common sense that any country in the world since the beginning of civilization would want to know and say who can and can not come into their country, just look at what happened to Rome when they had a few thousand Germans protect their border.
You need to know who is dangerous who is not, who wants to do this or that etc etc.
How my family came to America: My Great Grand Father being the youngest of his brother and sisters intended to come to Argentina with his brothers in sisters in 1918. He was 17. As fate would have it he got on the wrong boat and ended up in New York
Seeing as how there was a large Italian community there he felt at home and stayed. - The Irish side of my dads family came over in the great potato famine.
When my mom was 16 she came to the U.S. illegally when there were few illegals from Mexico and it was not illegal to hire an illegal.
So here is my opinion on the legality and morality of the issue.
I break the law all of the time, I speed 10 or 15 miles over the speed limit, I make rolling stops when I am the only one at an intersection, I drink and I am only 20, I smoke marijuana at a party every now and again too.
I can understand why this things are illegal ( more or less on the bud and alcohol age limit) They can all be very dangerous if done the wrong way. ...... sex too for that matter.
I know my family, I know what would happen if they were caught. Just as I know what would happen if I were caught speeding.
It would be hypocritical for me the son of a former illegal immigrant to say "oh they are all criminals! Hang em!" or something like that.
We have 3 million jobs on both sides of the border that depend on the trade between Mexico and the U.S. so to say something like " oh we should just put land-mines on the border" or something like would not only screw up our economy would be against some sort of human rights law I am sure.
I am not one to say that it would be impossible to deport 10 million + people but, I would say that it would be impractically expensive and not beneficially to the people. Just like we could manage to put 1 million men in Iraq within 3 years if we really wanted too. ....... it would probably bankrupt us ( both proposals )
It would be much easier to legalize the people here and protect the border properly.
The only people who can enforce border security properly is border patrol and the Coast Guard. So why not increase funding for BP by 10X if they want to build a wall let them do it. AFAIK they have built walls where they thought
it was nescassary. If they don't they stick to their helicopter-truck combo.
Does anyone here oppose to raising border patrols funding by a substantial amount?
What about Immigration and Customs Enforcement? They are the only ones allowed to do work place raids and there are only a few thousand of them on that part of the job. What a joke!! And what of these dangerous products coming from China? we need more ICE so they can enforce the rules at the ports.
and not to mention in China proper (as well as other places we get products from that tend to be dangerous)
Is anyone here against giving ICE a substantially higher amount of funding?
The effect of illegals has been nil to good on the economy .... well that is if we can trust someone like Jericohill's opinion on the subject.
And the number of illegals in jail is nothing more than a result of people getting jailed for being illegal.
I know every GOP candidate jumped on Huckabee when he said that he felt that a lot of *this was motivated by sheer racism but, it is.
*anti illegal fervor
Think of this for just a minute England or Ireland goes through a horrible depression and a lot of people are coming from there ( and there are no migrants from Asia or Latin America atm) No one would give a crap - here is why.
1. They are White ( most of them)
2. They speak English ( most of them)
3. They have at least a 12 year education ( most of them)
I seriously doubt 1/4th as many people would care and you know what they would work for less than Americans would.
1. Needs no explanation, it's out and out racism
2. I don't why everyone seems to think migrants never learn English or something to that end but, the stats are like this. ( taken from a training program I had to become a ESL teacher's assistant ) For people born from 2 Mexican parents in America
95% prefer to speak English among their friends who are also from Mexican parents and 85% of them can Speak Spanish.
The children of these kids
100% prefer English
5% speak Spanish as a second language.
So much for OH NOES TEH MONTREAL !!!!!11!
All of this "Won't adapt to western culture" stuff is nonsense I deify you to find me one Anthropology professor at any 4 year college in America who thinks Mexico is not a western country. Asian kids seem to fit in just fine as well.
3. is a given 90% of people between the ages of 20 and 40 in Mexico have a 8 year education. And less than 50% have 12 year education and the ones who do will probably not come here in such numbers because they are well off. Even if they did all have 12 year educations, they would still work for less. The poor tend to do that every where.
The issue of letting the highly educated come first is a bad idea for 2 reasons. The poor are the ones who would be coming here in numbers anyway and if the educated leave it will only exacerbate the problem in Mexico giving them the Braindrain effect.
All in all if the Economist is right ( the magazine ) and Mexico's GDP per person goes up to 50% of the U.S.'s in 25 years. ( at the pace it's on ). Then
the migrant rate (legal or illegal) will slow down to double the % of Canadas immigration to the U.S.( which is super low .
Think about it - If the money at home is worth 4 times more and you get a decent job in lets say construction for 10 buck an hour and your take home is 9 per hour. You can share a 1 bedroom apartment with 2 other guys and send home 3 bucks an hours worth ( about 6k a year ) and your family back home will do all right.
You can live off of 6k a year in Mexico ( 80% of places ) you can't live off of 3k any where ( not with a wife and 2 kids any way - at most you could live alone in the deep south with 3k)
So when Mexico's GDP gets within half of ours the rate of illegal immigration
will be a trickle.
Thats my take on Illegal immigration from Mexico in particular.
To be honest Illegal immigration from every where else doesn't bother me either unless it is from a place that produces a lot of anti American terrorist
and has super strict religious fanatics.
I realize that I live in a global economy and I don't whine about it. I am fully prepared to compete against anyone for a job. Whether they live in Calcutta or come from Manzanillo. + it is perposterous to claim to have free trade with a country and not have free movement of workers, El mano de oro* is a commodity.
* The hand of gold - Latin American slang for a hard worker.
Props if you read the whole thing - it took me a while and it is all my original thought. Nothing was copy - pasted.
So here is my take on illegal immigration omnis totus.
It's common sense that any country in the world since the beginning of civilization would want to know and say who can and can not come into their country, just look at what happened to Rome when they had a few thousand Germans protect their border.
You need to know who is dangerous who is not, who wants to do this or that etc etc.
How my family came to America: My Great Grand Father being the youngest of his brother and sisters intended to come to Argentina with his brothers in sisters in 1918. He was 17. As fate would have it he got on the wrong boat and ended up in New York
Seeing as how there was a large Italian community there he felt at home and stayed. - The Irish side of my dads family came over in the great potato famine.When my mom was 16 she came to the U.S. illegally when there were few illegals from Mexico and it was not illegal to hire an illegal.
So here is my opinion on the legality and morality of the issue.
I break the law all of the time, I speed 10 or 15 miles over the speed limit, I make rolling stops when I am the only one at an intersection, I drink and I am only 20, I smoke marijuana at a party every now and again too.
I can understand why this things are illegal ( more or less on the bud and alcohol age limit) They can all be very dangerous if done the wrong way. ...... sex too for that matter.
I know my family, I know what would happen if they were caught. Just as I know what would happen if I were caught speeding.
It would be hypocritical for me the son of a former illegal immigrant to say "oh they are all criminals! Hang em!" or something like that.
We have 3 million jobs on both sides of the border that depend on the trade between Mexico and the U.S. so to say something like " oh we should just put land-mines on the border" or something like would not only screw up our economy would be against some sort of human rights law I am sure.
I am not one to say that it would be impossible to deport 10 million + people but, I would say that it would be impractically expensive and not beneficially to the people. Just like we could manage to put 1 million men in Iraq within 3 years if we really wanted too. ....... it would probably bankrupt us ( both proposals )
It would be much easier to legalize the people here and protect the border properly.
The only people who can enforce border security properly is border patrol and the Coast Guard. So why not increase funding for BP by 10X if they want to build a wall let them do it. AFAIK they have built walls where they thought
it was nescassary. If they don't they stick to their helicopter-truck combo.
Does anyone here oppose to raising border patrols funding by a substantial amount?
What about Immigration and Customs Enforcement? They are the only ones allowed to do work place raids and there are only a few thousand of them on that part of the job. What a joke!! And what of these dangerous products coming from China? we need more ICE so they can enforce the rules at the ports.
and not to mention in China proper (as well as other places we get products from that tend to be dangerous)
Is anyone here against giving ICE a substantially higher amount of funding?
The effect of illegals has been nil to good on the economy .... well that is if we can trust someone like Jericohill's opinion on the subject.
And the number of illegals in jail is nothing more than a result of people getting jailed for being illegal.
I know every GOP candidate jumped on Huckabee when he said that he felt that a lot of *this was motivated by sheer racism but, it is.
*anti illegal fervor
Think of this for just a minute England or Ireland goes through a horrible depression and a lot of people are coming from there ( and there are no migrants from Asia or Latin America atm) No one would give a crap - here is why.
1. They are White ( most of them)
2. They speak English ( most of them)
3. They have at least a 12 year education ( most of them)
I seriously doubt 1/4th as many people would care and you know what they would work for less than Americans would.
1. Needs no explanation, it's out and out racism
2. I don't why everyone seems to think migrants never learn English or something to that end but, the stats are like this. ( taken from a training program I had to become a ESL teacher's assistant ) For people born from 2 Mexican parents in America
95% prefer to speak English among their friends who are also from Mexican parents and 85% of them can Speak Spanish.
The children of these kids
100% prefer English
5% speak Spanish as a second language.
So much for OH NOES TEH MONTREAL !!!!!11!
All of this "Won't adapt to western culture" stuff is nonsense I deify you to find me one Anthropology professor at any 4 year college in America who thinks Mexico is not a western country. Asian kids seem to fit in just fine as well.
3. is a given 90% of people between the ages of 20 and 40 in Mexico have a 8 year education. And less than 50% have 12 year education and the ones who do will probably not come here in such numbers because they are well off. Even if they did all have 12 year educations, they would still work for less. The poor tend to do that every where.
The issue of letting the highly educated come first is a bad idea for 2 reasons. The poor are the ones who would be coming here in numbers anyway and if the educated leave it will only exacerbate the problem in Mexico giving them the Braindrain effect.
All in all if the Economist is right ( the magazine ) and Mexico's GDP per person goes up to 50% of the U.S.'s in 25 years. ( at the pace it's on ). Then
the migrant rate (legal or illegal) will slow down to double the % of Canadas immigration to the U.S.( which is super low .
Think about it - If the money at home is worth 4 times more and you get a decent job in lets say construction for 10 buck an hour and your take home is 9 per hour. You can share a 1 bedroom apartment with 2 other guys and send home 3 bucks an hours worth ( about 6k a year ) and your family back home will do all right.
You can live off of 6k a year in Mexico ( 80% of places ) you can't live off of 3k any where ( not with a wife and 2 kids any way - at most you could live alone in the deep south with 3k)
So when Mexico's GDP gets within half of ours the rate of illegal immigration
will be a trickle.
Thats my take on Illegal immigration from Mexico in particular.
To be honest Illegal immigration from every where else doesn't bother me either unless it is from a place that produces a lot of anti American terrorist
and has super strict religious fanatics.
I realize that I live in a global economy and I don't whine about it. I am fully prepared to compete against anyone for a job. Whether they live in Calcutta or come from Manzanillo. + it is perposterous to claim to have free trade with a country and not have free movement of workers, El mano de oro* is a commodity.
* The hand of gold - Latin American slang for a hard worker.
Props if you read the whole thing - it took me a while and it is all my original thought. Nothing was copy - pasted.
I don't know if illegal immigration does all that but, it is a misdemeanor. I suppose it would need to be a Felony to be called serious crime. So in that case no it's not serious to us.
